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10 hours ago, RoryR said:

I think a big part of the issue in regards to the playerbase are these shock changes that come out of nowhere but have massive impact to people's experience.
 

To list a couple, trucking was suddenly completely nerfed, then it was reverted, then another update which left it in a state it should've been originally. Another was the PF gun prices. Why would raising the prices 10x ever be a good idea? Even as a short term fix, it was ridiculous. It isn't even about the short term affects these changes have, but how they were so obviously the wrong decision to make and these types of decisions are made time and time again. And this is proven when the player count is noticeably affected when these sorts of changes are made.

 

And that's a common theme, there's aspects of the script which make you think, or rather know, there hasn't been much forward thinking put into them or have been entirely glossed over. I remember one community meeting someone asked if you can sell a car once the loan is paid off, nobody knew. Considering how GTA servers are played, that is such a crucial thing to not only implement, but even know if it is implemented or not. It all just screams incompetence and poor management.

 

The gambling scripts would be well received. A weekly lotto could bring a bit more excitement to the server. I'm picturing a lotto ticket item purchasable from 24/7s and the winner is picked automatically and announced, the money sent straight to their bank account. Blackjack would be a really good addition too. Poker would be great but could take a while to implement, nevertheless I think this and blackjack should be prioritised as it would make the gambling scene a lot more viable, as right now it's painful to use /rnumber and /dice and so on. Gambling is one of the things which tends to blur the worlds of legal and illegal RP as well which is why I think it's such an important thing for the server.

 

The vehicle changes sound good, but it feels like there needs to be a bigger overhaul for how all this works. There's no way to preview the changes you're making to the car, and the mechanic controls it all. Instead the customer should be able to configure what they want done to their car, actually see it previewed on their vehicle, and then submit a request to the garage. The mechanic working for the garage can then accept this request and begin performing the roleplay for the job. To add on to this, more visual mods should be added like bumpers, side skirts, exhausts, wheel colours, etc. Performance mods should be added as well, but I think visual mods should be prioritised over them for now. On a similar note, add the ability to spawn in multiple vehicles at once. And why is /v setpark even a thing? Just make it /v park and you can park anywhere. I've also made a pretty lengthy suggestion here which would add a lot more depth to vehicles on the server and boost the second hand car market. It could be a bit overkill and a money sink for where the server and the economy is right now, but it is quite modular and could be implemented in phases.

 

 

 

The furniture system, while already pretty good to be fair, is missing some key features which would make mapping much more user friendly. The ability to copy the location and rotation of one object and apply it to another would be very beneficial. It also seems like if objects do not face north, then using the static movement doesn't actually work, say if the object is facing north east, pressing up will move it towards north, and not north east, which is incredibly frustrating and makes mapping so much more time consuming when trying to line up walls and so on. What should take a couple seconds max can end up taking 30s - 1m, which when applied to a whole project, is substantial. Add more furniture items too. Having to retype /furniture and navigate through the furniture screen after performing certain actions wastes a lot of time too. If these things could be sorted then mapping would be so much faster.

 

There also seems to be a lot of hand holding on the server which can slow things down. Why an admin needs to set the spawn point for the interior is beyond me. Players are given the freedom to map custom interiors but not choose where players spawn within those custom interiors? I don't even know what the reasoning would be for this, it seems like a pointless restriction. If someone is going to abuse it, police it when it is noticed, don't gatekeep the functionality for the entire playerbase just in case someone abuses it. Similarily selecting different interiors for your properties. This could be something that is done via the UCP and removes work for the admin team. Again, if an unsuitable interior is selected, that should be reported and dealt with accordingly, but put some trust into the playebase that 99% of people will pick appropriate interiors. On a similar note, custom interiors should have to match the exterior of the buildings. There seems to be a lot of interiors that are much bigger than the exteriors or have a completely different layour / footprint which does seem a bit cheaty.

 

I think the gun and drug schemes could be changed massively. As @memooh mentioned, gun parts should be able to be bought on the darknet and you can assemble these to make a gun, this would also give illegal roleplayers more things to trade. Serial numbers on PF guns should be able to be filed off. Similarily PF guns should be a lot harder to acquire (but not more expensive). Make the process more time consuming (even if artificially inflated), require a test of sorts, some roleplay IG with a licensing official (an interview, check of the player's home to make sure the gun can be stored appropriately, etc). As for the drug schemes, you could add the ability to buy items and create drugs from them. Get seeds from the darknet and grow weed which takes time, requiring you to water the plants and so on. Other drugs like meth, all the chemicals could be bought which need to be combined in a series of actions to result in the end product. These seeds / chemicals can also be traded as well then. You get the idea. This doesn't need to replace straight up buying the drugs or guns, but go alongside it (and be cheaper).

Another thing to keep in mind is software development takes time. Ideas are all good and well but they take a lot of effort and time to implement, so players can't expect the world immediately. Even these barebones features we are missing, don't expect those to come in a week or two. If people want to see the server grow and succeed, try to look past some of the downfalls for now and enjoy the server for what it is. You can still have a good time on the server if you seek this out. My faction The Road Slayers Motorcycle Club and I even struggle with this sometimes when thinking is it even worth hopping IG when we see the playerbase around 40 - 60, but then we do and open one of our businesses or host an event like our recent car show and end up having a great turn out and it motivates us to play more. It has to be said that the community here does feel a lot better considering the player count and people are more open to roleplaying with people, so just keep doing that, give the script time to mature and the playerbase and playing experience will no doubt improve.

I strongly believe that what's mentioned here will positively impact the server.

7 hours ago, VexiousMaximus said:

man you have uranium in your cranium 

LSRP Rage is shit its missin hella features whats the point if world got everything + more niggas might aswell get back on samp 

You can have great rp without a ton of features, I don't know why everybody is so fixated on that. You don't need any script support to interact with other players and create some roleplay. Of course all these little features would make life easier on the server, but in my opinion that's not something that would get players back on the server. Aswell as for the economy, like everything is cheap as shit, you get paychecks regularly while you roleplay, you can literally wait till you are level 2 and get your first car with a loan.

In my opinion there definitly needs to be done something about the factions. I don't know how it got to the point where 8 out of 10 factions are purely on the server for DM, their whole thread is flodded with DM screens/videos, people are ooc beefing on it and you never see them anywhere just hanging around and absolutly nothing gets done about it. Even when we had over a 100 players, there was like three or four pages of just random factions. I think we need some more strict regualtions on who can open a faction, what factions can be roleplayed and definitly limit it to a small number on who is allowed to use the weapon scheme and the drug scheme, maybe even just allow it for mafias/crime organizations for the beginning.

At the end it will be a long journy cause if you play on another server and got something good going on there with a lot of players, there is absolutly no reason for you to move over. Players just prefer different stuff on a server and you can't change anything about that.

Edited August 26, 2023 by fubuManee

2 hours ago, Jwett said:

LSRP Rage is shit its missin hella features whats the point if world got everything + more niggas might aswell get back on samp 

bro please stop commenting ofc the server ain't gonna have all the features it JUST LAUNCHED man.. they're going to add things over time.. ain't nobody playing SAMP that shit shut down bro

Appreciate the kind words MMartin, but your track record on promises is horrendous, I assume you'll disappear again soon.

ALOT of things need fixed with the community itself. Its so easy to get guns the entire city turns into a warzone. The economy is terrible. The server isn't even LA anymore. It feels like Syria at some points. LSRP isn't what it used to be, where everyone wanted good roleplay. All you got now is factions just being DM machines, its old man.

 

I understand this server will probably never catch up to GTA world in terms of features, but I can't fault you guys on that, they've been on RAGE since 2017, you guys since 2021. But you can always clean up the RP of players and invest in the server more through marketing. You don't need a bunch of fancy menus for roleplay. All you need is a good /me and players who actually want to RP instead of DM faking to be bloods, even on the forums. And 1 more suggestion: Let the damn factions roleplay what they want to RP. It shouldn't have to be tied to LA. PD, SD, DOC, FD, illegal factions etc, should be able to create their own custom style of how they do things, not base it solely on LA.

 

But again, this post means exactly nothing when nothing will come out of it. We get shown time and time again that you break promises. It was more than likely made cause you had an oh shit moment because the PB is extremely low because of your decisions, and low PB means low donations.

Edited August 26, 2023 by HP3

I can admit that LSRP has come up with some unique and very attractive systems and ideas, but they are only attractive on paper. The only thing that made me not start playing on this community is that everything is very different from how I played for so many years on samp and gtav.

 

I'm sure these changes came from the best of intentions and an attempt was made to bring something new and fresh, but it just isn't appealing and doesn't work. I don't want to work I don't know how many hours so I can just get the worst car I have to pay for weekly. Same with the house. I'm simply at an age where I can no longer afford to play 10 hours a week just to afford the house and the car, and on top of that another 10 hours to role-play.  It just doesn't work.

 

I simply think the community should go back to how things were on samp and how they are now on gta world. Players play there for a reason, they have properties, cars items. If you guys made it even harder to get these properties than on gtaw it was also natural that people wouldn't move. You had to make these things easier to get to incentivize players. 
 

Players who have been playing samp and gta v for so many years don't want something new, they want something better!

I think many of the players who are still active rn, will look what will happen in the next two to three weeks and take action on whether they still want to play here.

Very critical times.

The server has been amazing since day 1. I love the script and everything and obviously things will need to be updated as time goes on but my experience on the server has been great all we need is more players and more new people to apply to the server to create their character.

 

I see a lot of people complaining in this comment section for petty reasons and sounds like some hate and some rude comments. I think that the server needs time to grow it's player base and we need more advertising on youtube and different platforms. 

 

 

Keep drinking the kool-aid.

Edited August 26, 2023 by Tens & Twenties

We need more advertising to generate more players and get the word out there.

 

Without marketing and advertising, it's very hard to gain any traction or players. 

 

I've seen youtube videos from different players but LS-RP youtube channel has to post an advertisement viceo on the LS-RP youtube channel.

 

Fuck all publicity aswell as the same boring staff, sacked it off after about 3 weeks of playtime. 

2 major issues that with a fix could boost player base.

 

1 . Fuck this “realisitic” economy, samp was inflated yes, but having savings accounts, having a bunch of money and cars/houses made people not ever think about “needing money” , almost everything was done for the RP, give us bigger paychecks or savings sccounts or whatever, tweak it constantly until its perfect, and stop making everyone care about how much money they have 24/7, then we can get some solid RP. 
 

2. Leniency from staff, yes theirs way too many guns on the server, but that’s only a major issue rather than a minor issue because nobody gets punished for doing whatever they like with them guns, I played non stop since release until a few weeks back, and the amount of DM and poor reasons to kill, poor escalation I saw or dealt with was ridiculous, and none of it really got dealt with, I know a bunch of people who got warning after warning, ajail, banned, unbanned in 3 days, repeat repeat, I understand the leniency was because you wanted to create a player base and not be so harsh banning people from a brand new server instantly, but people literally play this server to DM because they know they can get away with it, knuckle down on all the bullshit, stop letting people off the hook, accept you will lose players by punishing these people properly and not unbanning them in 4 days, but understand the long term effects on having people here to roleplay and know that they cant just run around and DM

7 hours ago, K A P O said:

2 major issues that with a fix could boost player base.

 

1 . Fuck this “realisitic” economy, samp was inflated yes, but having savings accounts, having a bunch of money and cars/houses made people not ever think about “needing money” , almost everything was done for the RP, give us bigger paychecks or savings sccounts or whatever, tweak it constantly until its perfect, and stop making everyone care about how much money they have 24/7, then we can get some solid RP. 
 

2. Leniency from staff, yes theirs way too many guns on the server, but that’s only a major issue rather than a minor issue because nobody gets punished for doing whatever they like with them guns, I played non stop since release until a few weeks back, and the amount of DM and poor reasons to kill, poor escalation I saw or dealt with was ridiculous, and none of it really got dealt with, I know a bunch of people who got warning after warning, ajail, banned, unbanned in 3 days, repeat repeat, I understand the leniency was because you wanted to create a player base and not be so harsh banning people from a brand new server instantly, but people literally play this server to DM because they know they can get away with it, knuckle down on all the bullshit, stop letting people off the hook, accept you will lose players by punishing these people properly and not unbanning them in 4 days, but understand the long term effects on having people here to roleplay and know that they cant just run around and DM

 

this lol

 

easy and fun economy

make the server easier to play

combine all the schemes and boilerplate into 1 form (u ask for shit and u get it if u have a good idea)

sell all clothes in in one place instead of separating them based on location

change the clothes to a slider instead of a cumbersome click through 1000 different pages and icons system

makeup should just be pick whatever you want (with a preview) and apply it for $100 instead of whatever the fuck it is now

get rid of the weird ass company requirements. (if i have a good idea just let me have a business without making some cringe corporation first)

leases

map POIs (map a nice public park and do events there)

have an events team that actually does something (they did 1 event in the opening 2 weeks lol????)

incentivize logging in at peak time (increased governmental paychecks)

simplify the hyper realistic systems u have in place

make the dmv test easy i mean why would u make something needlessly complicated for entertainment lol?? people are just gonna quit when they waste their starting money on a dumbass test

Edited August 28, 2023 by trashstar

I will briefly comment on the economy since that's what I'm most interested in myself.

 

The current economy is not fundamentally realistic. It's based on a circular flow of income model but it's not designed to keep money circulating in the economy; instead, it creates a lot of money and looks to remove money from circulation. A healthy economy requires the regulation of how much money is created and keeps most money circulating in the economy (while creating investment and non-investment resources to spend said money on so that players wouldn't have too much money with nothing to spend on).

 

It simply gives the false idea of realism because it's more difficult to start out but there are many loopholes. 

 

Something that people who don't understand economics and game economy design is that a realistic economy = is (very) difficult to earn money.

 

You can have a realistic economic model but ”adjust the ratios.” For example, think of income classes. 

• Lower class - very poor
• Lower class
• Lower middle class
• Upper middle class
• Lower upper class
• Upper class

Each income class ”denotes a level (in a game)” based on how much someone earns (based on what they do and what their contribution to the roleplay universe and in-game economy is) and each income class can afford certain investment and non-investment resources.

 

If you were in the lower class - very poor, you would rely on social housing and the Department of Social Services checks. If you were upper class, you could afford the most expensive mansions and vehicles.

 

Most all games that have an in-game economy revolve around a cost system. The cost system determines how easy or difficult it is to reach a certain level (of income), and what each level can afford.

 

However, the trick is in regulating the money created (called the ”main indicators of the game,” meaning what is being rewarded with money. Usually, in roleplay, it's either (prolonged) activity e.g. paychecks and savings, or it's roleplay creation.) Once the money is created, the goal is to keep it circulating, not remove it from circulation. That's how you get a healthy economic system with limited inflation.

Now, as I said, you can ”adjust the ratios” of how easy or difficult it is to reach a certain level. The upper middle class to upper class should be the most difficult to reach but the first three levels should require minimum effort. That would set all (new) players up at a comfortable level where they don't have to worry about money and can roleplay, but would need to put in extra work (through roleplay effort) to get higher. 

 

The easiest way to visualize this is by thinking of XP ratios for levels in an MMORPG. 

 

At the moment, you literally have players who can't afford the basics for their roleplay while there is a player who owns the Gentry Manor Hotel as a private residence (I don't know who), and there is major inflation not even a quarter into the server existence with millions being printed. 

 

My suggestion is this:

1. Make the economy more transparent (good starters would be a Forbes-style top 10 richest list, a monthly inflation tracker based on how much money was/is on the server, and an income ladder. All 3 of these are public to everyone). It creates accountability for the economy team and players will be more inclined to provide feedback on the economy based on how content or uncontent they are with the results.
2. Make it easier to start out for new players but make it more difficult to reach the upper levels of income classes.
3. Involve non-staff in the economy team, and make economic discussions public to the player base so everyone can voice their opinion, and see how decisions are made.

Edited August 28, 2023 by Giovanni_Sgroi

On a different note from the economy, as management, you have 2 key responsibilities:

 

1) Server development in terms of script. I won't comment on that because I know nothing about scripting however it's important to listen to feedback and suggestions and implement systems players need for their roleplay or quality of life.

 

2) Figuring out what players need for their roleplay. Do gang roleplayers need a good drug system? Do OC roleplayers need more systems for white-collar crime? What do business and company owners need? What do civilians need? Should we implement restrictions on PF licenses so they would fill their intended purpose (of being a means for legal characters to obtain firearms, not for criminals). Which factions have access to the supply of guns and drugs, and are they setting up proper supply chains so it reaches everyone who wants guns and drugs for their roleplay? 

 

It's a combination of script features and systems (or rules and regulations) that allow players to roleplay what they want to roleplay (while still being fun and fair for everyone, not favoring any one group of players).

 

Once you figure out what they need, you start balancing it so that input = output however there's equal opportunity. 

Ajde we got this

11 hours ago, Giovanni_Sgroi said:

I will briefly comment on the economy since that's what I'm most interested in myself.

 

The current economy is not fundamentally realistic. It's based on a circular flow of income model but it's not designed to keep money circulating in the economy; instead, it creates a lot of money and looks to remove money from circulation. A healthy economy requires the regulation of how much money is created and keeps most money circulating in the economy (while creating investment and non-investment resources to spend said money on so that players wouldn't have too much money with nothing to spend on).

 

It simply gives the false idea of realism because it's more difficult to start out but there are many loopholes. 

 

Something that people who don't understand economics and game economy design is that a realistic economy = is (very) difficult to earn money.

 

You can have a realistic economic model but ”adjust the ratios.” For example, think of income classes. 

• Lower class - very poor
• Lower class
• Lower middle class
• Upper middle class
• Lower upper class
• Upper class

Each income class ”denotes a level (in a game)” based on how much someone earns (based on what they do and what their contribution to the roleplay universe and in-game economy is) and each income class can afford certain investment and non-investment resources.

 

If you were in the lower class - very poor, you would rely on social housing and the Department of Social Services checks. If you were upper class, you could afford the most expensive mansions and vehicles.

 

Most all games that have an in-game economy revolve around a cost system. The cost system determines how easy or difficult it is to reach a certain level (of income), and what each level can afford.

 

However, the trick is in regulating the money created (called the ”main indicators of the game,” meaning what is being rewarded with money. Usually, in roleplay, it's either (prolonged) activity e.g. paychecks and savings, or it's roleplay creation.) Once the money is created, the goal is to keep it circulating, not remove it from circulation. That's how you get a healthy economic system with limited inflation.

Now, as I said, you can ”adjust the ratios” of how easy or difficult it is to reach a certain level. The upper middle class to upper class should be the most difficult to reach but the first three levels should require minimum effort. That would set all (new) players up at a comfortable level where they don't have to worry about money and can roleplay, but would need to put in extra work (through roleplay effort) to get higher. 

 

The easiest way to visualize this is by thinking of XP ratios for levels in an MMORPG. 

 

At the moment, you literally have players who can't afford the basics for their roleplay while there is a player who owns the Gentry Manor Hotel as a private residence (I don't know who), and there is major inflation not even a quarter into the server existence with millions being printed. 

 

My suggestion is this:

1. Make the economy more transparent (good starters would be a Forbes-style top 10 richest list, a monthly inflation tracker based on how much money was/is on the server, and an income ladder. All 3 of these are public to everyone). It creates accountability for the economy team and players will be more inclined to provide feedback on the economy based on how content or uncontent they are with the results.
2. Make it easier to start out for new players but make it more difficult to reach the upper levels of income classes.
3. Involve non-staff in the economy team, and make economic discussions public to the player base so everyone can voice their opinion, and see how decisions are made.

I believe this is the main issue for the playerbase, you cant even buy a faggio or anything when starting out. Nobody wants to work a realistic job on a game and put hours and hours into it.

21 hours ago, K A P O said:

2 major issues that with a fix could boost player base.

 

1 . Fuck this “realisitic” economy, samp was inflated yes, but having savings accounts, having a bunch of money and cars/houses made people not ever think about “needing money” , almost everything was done for the RP, give us bigger paychecks or savings sccounts or whatever, tweak it constantly until its perfect, and stop making everyone care about how much money they have 24/7, then we can get some solid RP. 
 

2. Leniency from staff, yes theirs way too many guns on the server, but that’s only a major issue rather than a minor issue because nobody gets punished for doing whatever they like with them guns, I played non stop since release until a few weeks back, and the amount of DM and poor reasons to kill, poor escalation I saw or dealt with was ridiculous, and none of it really got dealt with, I know a bunch of people who got warning after warning, ajail, banned, unbanned in 3 days, repeat repeat, I understand the leniency was because you wanted to create a player base and not be so harsh banning people from a brand new server instantly, but people literally play this server to DM because they know they can get away with it, knuckle down on all the bullshit, stop letting people off the hook, accept you will lose players by punishing these people properly and not unbanning them in 4 days, but understand the long term effects on having people here to roleplay and know that they cant just run around and DM

This aswell, is facts. The major major factor for the playerbase is the economy side. Something needs to be done about it, or it's gonna just die like the samp server did. Completely agree, the gun situation aswell, it's about people being punished for the poor reasons, the amount of guns wasnt the issue. The only reason these 'dmers' were getting guns is because of the economy, people wanted money so sold to anyone that would pay the prices. It's all a big circle.

Edited August 28, 2023 by Rhys123

Let sleeping dogs lie.

It would be nice to receive a response from @Mmartin regarding the various perspectives shared by the community.

Don't believe a single word, doubt you will be able to follow any plans.

mmartin take me to the Bahamas with you

@Mmartin I think development is a bit irrelevant here. A quality RP server does not have to have the best script, it has to have the best community and playerbase.

 

You need a marketing team buddy

Edited August 30, 2023 by XpoZzA

@MmartinPersonally, I think faction management needs to tone up too. We have directors, Captains, and other high-ranking members sitting there like door mats. I understand the player base is low, but faction leaders and high-ranking members should be preparing for the future. Instead, from a personal point of view we have an inactive leadership that is, not pushing for members and is not doing a thing but remaining in their position when other members have the ambition and want to thrive and push that department forward but are being held back by their inactivity. 

 

Another thing for me SASD is recruiting too many cops. We had 55 members on during a peak session and 24 were cops and 22 of them were SASD, and this was during the graduation as there wasn't one due to DDOS. Recruitment for cops needs to be monitored. SASD is more or less permanently open. I find PD recruitment is fine, once a month or once every 6 weeks but SASD once every week, is ridiculous. This is speaking from a legal faction employee point of view.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 30, 2023 by Stinkywinky

On 8/29/2023 at 5:11 AM, Zagros said:

It would be nice to receive a response from @Mmartin regarding the various perspectives shared by the community.

The King stepping down from his throne to greet the peasants? Never!