JesterJr

I do not think, at the current state of the server this is the way to solve the problem. There needs to be some education to the newer players from the older ones who want the good out of the server. A good idea is what @Uncanny mentioned earlier. We shouldn't have 10 illegal gangs around who spread the gang mentality in their own way, which some times might be good but during many occurrences people are not experienced enough to even run a faction. I'd prefer if we had 2-3 big gangs (with the numbers we currently have in LSRP), have the old people teach the ropes to our newer players which will also give them a better understanding of the Roleplay idea and also how gangs/organized crime works. I remember when I first started RPing, I found a legal faction to join (back in SAMP LSRP it was Reg's Truckers Association) and through there I was introduced to the MC roleplay from the White Devil's MC who used to run Blueberry back then. It was a great experience that old fashioned RPers showed me how SAMP RP works through RP. It made me the solid member I currently am and actually gave me the chill vibes LSRP always had when it comes to RP without guns & drugs. Even though it was a 1%er MC, they'd legit chill and eat pizza or have fun by creating a good RP hub in BBerry. Then it was also the Road Slayers back then who rocked in Montgomery and provided some great roleplay experience. What I am saying is that we should have Quality Control over our Factions who dictate the roleplay portrayed in the server and the general image. Clean out the weeds from our garden and keep our flowers. Like that, we'll get a better image to the public, players will come and stay if they get affiliated with a serious faction and they will not be taught how to DM and bypass rules to troll for as long as they can till they're caught. At least that's what worked for me.

It's weird to get that feedback on Quality Control. It shouldn't be enforced in form of rules. But more like consultation to go in line with the servers standards. It should base itself around what the server expects, where the server aims to be and how the server operates. I believe that having some quality checks when necessary on players who might seem controversial might even keep them in the server instead of throwing the ajail hammer and get them punished.

I think it's a chain of things that need to be done to fix the issue at hand. Make it harder to get a gun. A player shouldn't find a gun in every corner they turn. Guns should be distributed from organized crime down to gangs and gangs should push them on the street to make some profit. Getting a gun from a gang member shouldn't be a walk in the park either. Both parties should properly roleplay some fear. The gang member should evaluate who they are selling to. A plug should be a friend or someone who proved their worth. Personally I remember back in SAMP, through my MC we would push guns only to people we trusted. That would be through IC means such as... "What have they done for us" "who was the connection to them" "why should we supply them with guns" "what we get in return". Drugs is another thing. But guns, it's a serious threat. PF Licenses to be monitored closely. PF gangs should be eliminated. No one should be getting a PF license for the sake of running around killing cops/other players and just hide. We need serious moderation on that end and people should get their PF revoked or even generally banned from getting a PF if they are doing it over and over again. As in, OOC bans from PF license for DMers/known violators with malicious mindset. Roleplay Quality Control. Admins & testers need to moderate our RP Quality. No cop should be acting like a thug or act like a badass person who just came out from a police drama movie. Cops shouldn't act like Jason Statham on drug, but as regular people who don't even get paid enough for what they do. Same works for the counterpart. You do illegal activities to make money for a reason. That's to pay your rent, get your GF out for food, lifestyle, neighborhood you grew up into, adapt to a gang/group that needs you to prove loyalty. If someone falls into illegal activity for the lols, they should consider a cops vs robbers server and not LS-RP. That's my idea around it. That can only be controlled through the Staff and promoted by the playerbase which is part of the good image of this server and its legacy. For me, it's just sad to see it rot like that at such early stages.

Lol I really agree with that. Personally I'd prefer 1-2 shootouts per 8-hours IG than 20 shootouts in 1 hour without any context in the RP around it. I'd really like to see some input into that from the Staff team to be honest with you.

I highly believe that LS-RP has a great script. If developed properly and with the proper support from the Staff against those bad apples, I believe we can really thrive in RageMP as a server. But personally, we need to figure out a way of fixing the problem. Consequences such as what would you suggest?

On the driving part, I am 100% vouching to you that no one stops for the traffic stop. Or if they do they are either gonna shoot at you or give you false names to stall the RP till someone comes to their rescue. The past 2 days, I've conducted 2 traffic stops (different days) which ended up in me being shot at. We should be patrolling in Tanks or four-deep to conduct a traffic stop without ending up dead. On the DM side of things, I think a NVFL rule should be applied in the server. No one, and I include every player regardless of their IC profession or status, should value their life unless there are outside factors which are Roleplayed accordingly. If I roleplay my character under the influence of a drug (such as Cocaine, Meth, MDMA) which cause the brain to function in a more reckless and aggressive way, yes I can go a bit over the edge during a situation and maybe attack a cop/fellow player for a pettier reason but it should be roleplayed accordingly and give the other side the chance to be on alert that your character is under the influence. That's part of the Roleplay. Personally I'd be more lenient if a player roleplayed a drug abuse properly during any scenario that might excuse their IC actions. But death is a final resort, always. No one should just die to avoid an arrest or a situation from the opposite party. I've seen criminals trying to survive a headshot because the person who shot them wasn't a cop but a rival gang. And we all know the reason behind that.

I fully agree on the Force CK rule which I believe will fix most of the issues when it comes to no sense shootings. I am not targeting only shootings against cops now, cause in the end of the day, cops enjoy a good shootout too. Let's not forget, that cops are passively Roleplaying here. The root of roleplay is the illegal & civilian scene, who have to create the scenarios. Cops usually are passively involved in those scenes and can provide good RP from their end. But they're usually the receiving end of RP, which in my head, gives the other side the upper hand on how the scenario will escalate. This is also the magic in RP. Furthermore, I believe that any poor based shooting which results into the aggressor's death, should lead to a Force CK. Cause apparently they do it to die or for the luls. If it's for the luls, I think Force CK will make them reconsider if this is a Medium → Heavy Roleplay Server or a FiveM RPG (RP) server. Let's say, even if an illegal character, ends up in a silly situation where they confront 5-6 gang members and he decides to pull a gun instead of giving up; they should be forced to CK due to the situation they brought to themselves - it's pretty much suicide to avoid any repercussions. Same should work for silly moves by cops. If a cop intentionally ends up in a gang neighborhood, outnumbered and decides to just pull a gun and act like a hero - in case they die, they should receive a force CK. If they survive, they should face serious IC consequences. I've said it before in SD forums and I'll say it again. This is indeed a game. A roleplay and immersive environment. But still a game. We should promote creativity, good roleplay and fair chances but up to an extent so we can keep a balance between immersion & fun.

So, you think a solution would be to properly setup the civilian side so we get more civilian roleplayers around? Meanwhile make it strict when it comes to weapon use from anyone?

Hello! To start off, I am part of LSSD as a Traffic Deputy - so as you can guess, I am not looking to get into constant shots fired and pursuits. My "job" in the server is to literally patrol and enforce traffic Laws. Yes I'm the guy who pulls you over for not having your lights on in darkness and cite you for it! The reason of this topic is to point out that from my perspective, the past two days I logged into the server went on my patrol and I tried to pull over people on traffic violations. (You can skip that part since it's story time, probably one sided, but it's a discussion thread!) What I am wondering is... Why you shoot at a cop? Why you evade a peace officer? Why you attack a rival faction? Why you engage yourself in illegal activities? Then it brings up the follow up questions... How you will get away by shooting & evading? How you will attack a rival faction to properly evade it afterwards without being shot back by cops who will get on the scene? How will you sell drugs without being caught? Did you give the proper chance on the other side to realize your character is under the influence of something which results to excessive behavior? I have been both in the legal and illegal scene myself. I remember when I was in the illegal scene, I had to put a reason behind every single illegal action I did. And I never shot at cops and I RP'd an MC President for about 3 years in SAMP. On the contrary, I was RPing with cops a lot, I was friendly and approachable to them - unless they started threatening my people or me. However, when I was being cornered, I wouldn't shoot to just die and continue. I RP'd my punishment - I wanted to develop my char even if it was a night in the local precinct. Because that's development of your illegal character. So I killed someone? Why I killed him? Because he was a threat to my faction or my people. Because that's how outlaws work and it's not prison. Usually when you know more than you should, you die in that case. How did I do it? Discreetly, without too much noise. If possible a setup, if not - quick and gone. If cops caught up to me? If I'm outnumbered, I wouldn't take the chances of dying. I'll prefer my character spending time to develop him. There's also always the part that your character might be under the influence of a drug - where actions can be excessive and consider less your fear. For example, a character under the influence of cocaine, will not put too much thought into attacking someone especially if their background is violent. A person under meth influence, would have the same attitude and maybe be super aggressive if he's confronted while he's under the influence. That's understandable - but you have to RP it appropriately. In my case, if I confront a civilian who is under the influence, but doesn't RP anything that shows me the signs but at some point they pull a gun and shoot at me or attack me to punch me or anything alike, because they are under the influence and their actions can be excessive - then for me, I will consider it subpar RP. Cause you never gave me any chance to realize your character is under some influence. If you did, my character could have been more defensive and alert in our confrontation. And you'll realize that the RP in the end of the day will be more enjoyable for all of us. Even if it ends up with you arrested or me six feet under. I wouldn't mind dying over a situation - as long as the RP is proper. I'm saying this again, this is a food for thought thread. I am not pointing any fingers but more of brainstorming my experience in the server the past 2 days. How can we fix it? Who can fix it? Are you here to RP or run around with a gun? Is your sole purpose in the server to shoot over petty reasons? Is it a proper reason to shoot at a cop over driving without a license & carrying an unlicensed firearm? (Both misdemeanors, about 40 mins in jail). Is it fine if a cop rushes into a gang neighborhood and tries to arrest a single suspect? If not, why is it proper for someone to risk dying over a misdemeanor arrest? These are genuine questions I make to myself before I login.

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