San Andreas and California co-existing? (LSRP Lore)

[frost.]

concerning that the wishes of the community's being ignored, majority of the community do not want san andreas to be defined as an island

 

like ^ said, how do we benefit from this decision? like, what's the point of it?

 

is los santos a bootleg los angeles? do we ignore the state of california that's supposed to be san andreas? how do we go forward ic with the decision that san andreas is an island?

[Bundaloo]

On 2/24/2022 at 8:27 PM, Ben said:

We will under no circumstances be roleplaying a bridge connecting us to the mainland. This is due to the fact that we do not have a bridge on the physical map in-game that connects us to the main land, and we will not be mapping one. Therefore, we are defined as an island. 

 

 

I'm sorry but it's not possible. This is very wrong. It is going to complicate things ICly..

 

How are you supposed to role play San Andreas being an island?

What about the factions role playing as MCs up in the map?

Are they supposed to be MCs on an island? (I'm sure other people would have better questions related to the illegal scene).

What about Nevada, AZ, TX? So if it's an island, where is it exactly?

Is Mexico still the closest country to San Andreas (Which is CA)?

Or is San Andreas a hidden island somewhere in the Pacific Ocean?

Is this island even still in the West C?

What're the politics of this island? Is it even a state?

Are we going to also RP as if USA has 51 states and not 50 now?

Or is it gonna be like Puerto Rico? If it is, are we even supposed to be voting, as citizens of such island?

 

Alright, let's say you have all the answers for these questions. 

 

Does this island also, by coincidence, happen to have the same structure, streets, buildings, gangs, and races..etc as California?

 

Or are we going to neglect the existence of California and RP San Andreas as an island at the same time?

 

The people who made the game made San Andreas map like California, there is no other way. 

Edited February 26, 2022 by Bundaloo

[Kjell]

3 hours ago, largehazard said:

i'm both amazed and baffled that this argument didn't die in 2016.

 

i'll reiterate, most of us will not be roleplaying San Andreas as an island. I really do not see why this has come up. What is even the benefit of it? Who wants this?

 

this isn't even a murky "everyone has their own opinion" issue like many of the things that need a ruling are. There's literally numbers right there. A more than 10:1 ratio of people who do not support this.

 

and on top of all that, this looks like we're starting off before the server has even launched with an unpopular ruling, in which the views of the community are not being considered. This is a terrible precedent to be starting with.

Well said.

What's the point of this? The community has clearly voted and chose their stance and they're going to roleplay it regardless of what the 'official' lore says anyway.

San Andreas as California just makes way more sense.

[Ben]

I hear your arguments and will of course bring them up when we have an internal leadership discussion regarding the lore before we launch the server. For those of you who fear that we do not see you; I assure you that we do see you. I think you do bring up some good points, however, we have roleplayed San Andreas on SAMP being its own lore and own island since 2007-2020, and had no major issues with it.

 

Of course a new server launch gives us the ability to reflect on whether we could improve, and perhaps you are right, we do need to change the way we look at SA and CA. As I said on my previous post, you are free to keep posting here with your points of view on the lore so that we can take that into consideration. Have a great day all!

[Chuckles]

I know the developers are extremely busy with finalizing the server, so I exclude them from this request:

 

I'd like to see all other members of the management team involved in these 'lore' decisions engage with the public in a live Q&A to answer questionings surrounding not only this, but in regards to everything else that directly correlated to it.

 

A discussion in real time while everyone awaits the release would show engagement and help us understand the thought process behind these decisions that effectively ruins our experience. There is an overwhelming majority voting against this, yet there is still no movement on it.

 

"There is no bridge so there is no connection to the mainland" is a decision that directly contradicts what it is to be a heavy roleplay server.

 

There is no direct flights but we still roleplay going on vacation when we're inactive.

 

There is no prison to separate male and female inmates, yet people refuse to roleplay it as a shared facility.

 

I don't think the management should be setting this precedent, wherein they take things quite literally. It shows a lack of understanding.

 

Additionally, to address Bennemus' comment above:

 

I have been roleplaying on this server from 2007 and never has it been roleplayed as an individual "island" since around 2015, before the server started to focus on realism. San Andreas has ALWAYS replaced California. I don't know where this analogy is coming from.

 

The existence of California has never been acknowledged throughout the course of LSRPs existence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by Chuckles

[largehazard]

Chuckles is right. I don't remember it being an island beyond 2016-17. Some people roleplayed it as such earlier but after that period, we did not.

 

I also agree that a broader 'lore' discussion needs to be had. By the end of my time on LSRP there were so many gray areas in terms of what was roleplayed and what wasn't, that everyone just ended up rping their own stuff. It contributed a lot to the overall vibe of "who cares anymore", if I recall.

 

I think the staff team needs to take an active role in forming what kind of server this is going to be because you're right, now is the time to have these discussions. Standards need to be set and points of lore should be agreed upon as a footnote to that.

[i dont wanna od in LA]

20 minutes ago, Chuckles said:

I have been roleplaying on this server from 2017 and never has it been roleplayed as an individual "island." San Andreas has ALWAYS replaced California. I don't know where this analogy is coming from.

 

The existence of California has never been acknowledged throughout the course of LSRPs existence.

Literally this. Not only by 2018-19 most factions acknowledged that we replace California, but also attempted their best at portraying the Californian aesthetics, lifestyle and culture. 

[melt city]

 

[JJDAOPP]

No. Los Santos is a lore version of Los Angeles. San Andreas is the lore version of California. Even the developers of Rockstar/GTA V stated it. Why is there a need for this to be an island it wouldn't be connected? That breaks the lore, even knowing that Los Angeles can be driven to. If Los Santos is Los Angeles, reason for an island is? It isn't Hawaii.

[Sal]

Yeah having read through everything here I'll throw my lot in with the "SA = California" view. Hopefully the results of the poll will be taken into consideration. Also I took a look at "another community" which has an entire section dedicated to continuity/lore, and an individual who is basically responsible for maintaining and updating it. There's also a very open Q/A thread, and suggestions seem to be taken into account, so this sort of thing would be nice to implement here.

 

Think someone else made a fair point earlier regarding the fact that this is the sort of stuff we can proactively sort out before the server launches. I wonder what else could go on the list...

[melt city]

41 minutes ago, Allegra said:

Yeah having read through everything here I'll throw my lot in with the "SA = California" view. Hopefully the results of the poll will be taken into consideration. Also I took a look at "another community" which has an entire section dedicated to continuity/lore, and an individual who is basically responsible for maintaining and updating it. There's also a very open Q/A thread, and suggestions seem to be taken into account, so this sort of thing would be nice to implement here.

 

Think someone else made a fair point earlier regarding the fact that this is the sort of stuff we can proactively sort out before the server launches. I wonder what else could go on the list...

A continuity and lore team would certainly rid us of doubts, but compared to the other place's team it should be community-driven and have us, the players, be involved actively in the lore building, not just a bunch of admins.

Edited February 26, 2022 by melt city

[Busato]

Having played LSRP on and off between 2009-2021, not once did I see anyone roleplaying San Andreas as an island. In fact, I was in Valenti when we (and a few other official  factions at the time) roleplayed San Andreas as California and Los Santos as Los Angeles until it was disallowed some time around 2014. Ever since then, everyone roleplayed San Andreas as replacing California and Los Santos as replacing Los Angeles; I do believe this is the correct approach. The island approach makes no sense if LSRP wants to maintain its reputation as a heavy roleplay server for the numerous reasons that have already been brought up.

 

The fact that the server was supposed to launch a few days ago (and a few months ago before that) and this hasn't been decided upon yet is bizarre to say the least. You would think the lore would be one of the first things nailed down so that players could plan their factions in accordance. A fancy script and the LSRP name will only get you so far. 

 

Shit like this is exactly why myself and many other longtime players have no intention of ever returning.

Edited February 27, 2022 by Busato

[largehazard]

9 hours ago, melt city said:

A continuity and lore team would certainly rid us of doubts, but compared to the other place's team it should be community-driven and have us, the players, be involved actively in the lore building, not just a bunch of admins.

This is a good point. I didn't want to raise it initially so as not to take this thread too far from OT but yes, the lore team over there is a complete mess, basically a joke. I like the idea of it in theory so as not to have everybody going around doing their own thing but it needs to be done correctly and decisions need to made in accordance with community consensus. Based on this topic I don't have high hopes for this but we'll see I guess.

[i hold the shank]

13 hours ago, JJDAOPP said:

No. Los Santos is a lore version of Los Angeles. San Andreas is the lore version of California. Even the developers of Rockstar/GTA V stated it. Why is there a need for this to be an island it wouldn't be connected? That breaks the lore, even knowing that Los Angeles can be driven to. If Los Santos is Los Angeles, reason for an island is? It isn't Hawaii.

 

should be roleplay northern SA as NorCal and southern LS as SoCal. It's really that simple

[Gamblez]

Should just follow what the community wants, I don't get the conflict.