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The truth is, the way RAGE was introduced as the future and vision for LSRP and its community is absolutely ridiculous. At first, I didn’t pay it much attention, but over the past six or so months, I’ve come to realise that half the staff team aren’t here to support the only platform we currently have up and running. Most are hogging their roles while waiting for RAGE. That hasn’t only created a divide within the team but has also made things very discouraging for the community. Staff members are failing to realise that SA:MP still has potential, still will have potential, and just needs the right people who share the same passion to keep it running. What’s the point of having testers on our current platform when they’re not interested in it? I really tried to make sense of it but couldn’t. Now that this division exists within the staff, I think it’s time for management to make it official. If staff members aren’t interested in SA:MP, split them. Have those who share a passion for this platform perform and actually partake in vital roles for it. There’s no reason for the head of any team to hold their role when they have no interest in SA:MP. It’s time for everybody to pull their weight, from staff to community. I’ve read a couple of decent suggestions made by Voronov, and I stand by them. It would be great to create an economy other than guns and drugs for illegal factions. This is why I always hoped for an inventory system, like I mentioned in the previous thread. There are endless possibilities once items are actually introduced to the server. Like Martin Busato also mentioned, any money made from SA:MP should have been pumped back into it. I do understand that there aren’t many developers who share the same passion some of us do when it comes to SA:MP, but at the same time, we’re not actively recruiting for one. Management should be looking to recruit developers for SA:MP, especially those who show interest. The more, the merrier. Furthermore, there should be a capable person managing those developers, and a project or two should be pushed out for SA:MP every couple of months. If, however, we do not find any, the money made from donations should be used to help bolster this platform. Whether it’s for development or marketing, anything at this point would mean a lot. I’d really like to go into more detail, but I honestly fear that this thread will derail, eventually get locked, and that my posts will get removed. I’ll wait and see how this one goes before I take the time to write anything else.

The lack of transparency from staff to players and the lack of adequate punishments for cheaters and severe rule breakers are the main reasons for the downfall of LS-RP. This is a concern that me and multiple other dedicated IFT members raised ever since late Q1/early Q2 as we started recognizing the patterns that brought the server down back in 2020-2021. There are multiple threads that I have created back on the legacy forums, I would've gladly shared the link however those forums are currently down. One specific thread was in regards to players remaining unpunished for subpar roleplay (mainly in terms of provoking, robbing, deathmatch, etc), a thread that Martin Busato and Michael Dippolito were also contributing to and I am sure that they remember that. Veteran/experienced roleplayers didn't quit LS-RP because they got old or real life responsibilities took over. They gave up because of the standards of roleplay and this is something that players themselves cannot be blamed for as they are not the ones regulating the standards. The same 25+ year old players who were "tired of RP" are now very active on GTA World and I can assure you it's not because GTA V is much more pleasant to roleplay on - it's about the standard of roleplay. Many have complained about the over the top restrictions that World has however that approach is evidently working. It does get annoying at some point however it's simple quality assurance in terms of the overall standard of the community. You aren't able to speak your mind on LS-RP, let alone accuse certain individuals of ruining the server with their imcompetence as it is considered "bashing". You are also not able to lash our your frustration over things that you believe are absurd as that is also considered "bashing". The usual answer that you get from staff members to any of you "crying" is: "Why are you still playing then?" Once you create a "civil" general discussion like this one, it will inevitably grow into fed up players who have a genuine passion for the server to come and start "talking shit". I will refrain from using my regular approach to these kind of threads as I don't want to see this getting locked. I know they are just waiting for someone like me to pour their heart out and have an excuse to throw this in the bin. Many will ask me as to why I even bother commenting on this thread, considering that I am permanently banned and will most likely never be allowed back in the community. To give you my answer in advance, I truly cared for this community for many years and I wanted to share my two cents. Unfortunately, I don't see a scenario where players can regain the trust of the staff members and continue as if nothing happened. I became a Tester in early November and was basically advised by staff members to accept any incoming applications, as long as they haven't used ChatGPT in their stories. That itself shows how we have allowed literally anyone to join the server with the hopes of increasing the playerbase. We allowed the migration of players coming from low tier roleplay servers to disrupt the roleplay of veterans, leaving their subpar roleplay unpunished because "we need players". That only made experienced roleplayers leave and you were left with the players who can barely string any decent /me or /do without the usage of ChatGPT. TLDR: Management is at fault. No future for LS-RP without transparency and genuine dedication.

Just on these points about no one from leadership responding. We want to allow open conversation to happen, the last thread blew up quick and then descended into what it was, didn't give us a real chance to respond properly and spent the time firefighting instead. This ones been open for nearly a day and thankfully hasn't spiralled. I'm currently reading what's been said in this thread and collating a response, so we can converse and be transparent, staff team to the players. Give me a little bit of time and you'll have a response within a few hours.

Thank you to the admins for letting this topic breathe and everyone for the respectful responses and valuable contributions to this discussion. Many excellent insights and ideas are coming in. Let's keep that going and hopefully someone from the administration is compiling a list of suggestions to consider going forward.

For those who missed it: there was a general discussion topic called "Will LSRP survive?" that went viral yesterday which was flooded with constructive criticism and solutions to improve LSRP. The thread was locked in response to a small minority of people doxxing, leaking staff information and derailing, and someone within the staff team crashed out and merged all of the faction threads into Bellantonio's. This prompted staff to rollback the forums to recover the faction forum, which resulted in the deletion of this topic. I've been told others have tried reposting it only for it to be deleted again but I'll give it another go, although I want to frame the discussion slightly differently to push for a more positive, solution-based discussion. Censorship certainly isn't the answer here and will only serve to shatter any trust left in staff and push the few players left out the door. Please keep this thread up if you know what's best for the server. If people are derailing or breaking rules, deal with those individuals accordingly but the rest of us who wish to see LSRP revived should be allowed to say our piece. Roughly a year ago I posted the first iteration of this topic and it was received quite well by everyone. I was very pleased with the staff response and moderation of the topic, but seeing what happened with the topic yesterday was a reversion to the kind of censorship LSRP had been known for years ago and was deeply disappointing. Linked below is the topic I posted last year which goes into detail about my vision for LSRP and is ripe full of great ideas put forth by the community: A VISION FOR THE FUTURE - Page 15 - General Discussions Archive - Los Santos Roleplay Today, however, my post (initially written as a response to the topic that was deleted yesterday) will focus on what I believe to be the crux of the issue. Given my faction has been staring down the barrel of description threats recently, I don't take posting this lightly but I want LSRP to succeed and believe it needs to be said. I want to start off by acknowledging and thanking the staff members who have helped make LSRP be a great place to roleplay over the years. As a member of this community since 2009, former member of Faction Management, an official faction leader from 2018-2024 and having still represented Valenti in many of our correspondences with Illegal Faction Council beyond that, I’d be remiss not to highlight the vast improvements seen in the Illegal Faction Team in particular compared to past eras where it was marred with incompetence, toxicity, and corruption. Factions today have access to more perks than ever before, official faction selections have been handled sensibly for the most part, and the IFT has generally been more supportive and transparent than ever before. Despite recent disagreements with IFC's handling of my faction, I greatly appreciated the honesty, accountability, insight and consideration shown by @Aloosh, @Rye and @unlawfulact in their responses yesterday and this gave me a renewed sense of confidence that the IFT is still in good hands. I'd also like to thank @badhbh and @Dos Santos for their immense dedication to this server and being a pleasure to deal with during my time as an official faction leader last year. When we brought Valenti back, I urged our people to set the bar low in terms of expectations for LSRP. Not because I didn’t believe in the potential for a major comeback on SAMP, but because the staff, more specifically, the management, had let this community down time and time again, and the return of the SAMP server seemed more like a last-ditch marketing gimmick for LSRPV than anything else. I wanted our people to enjoy this last ride as much as we can without dwelling on the failures of the staff team. Fortunately, despite the recent decline, this SAMP run overall has exceeded my expectations and much of that is thanks to the staff putting forth more of an effort to satisfy the community’s wishes, at least initially. Beyond that, the success affirmed that there is still an appetite and market for SAMP. Unfortunately, that market is shrinking by the day and will vanish if things don’t improve in quick order. I’ve only recently returned to playing after a year-long hiatus so I’m admittedly writing this from a limited perspective, but I’ve kept in the loop and been around long enough to pinpoint what I believe to be the main reason LSRP is on a steep decline: inactivity, complacency and a lack of leadership at the management level. No, this is not the only problem. Yes, I do agree with much of what was said in the discussion yesterday, but many of those problems are symptoms of this primary issue. When @Mmartin and Surreal took over from Damian, I showed my support publicly and still believe it was a much-needed change at the time. Some positive changes were made over the years and when Mmartin was actively contributing, developing and engaging with the community earlier in this run, the community was undoubtedly better for it; I am grateful for his contributions over his many years here. However, being a good leader isn’t just about knowing when to step up but also knowing when to step down when it’s clear you are no longer the person for the job. That time came long ago and it’s time to act on it. Every leader has a shelf life and there's no shame in that but it's abundantly clear a major change is needed at the very top to restore any level of morale and confidence in staff by the community. By no means is this an attack on Mmartin; in fact, my interactions with him both IC and OOC (the times he responded) were always good, but an active and engaged leader is essential for any hope of a revival for LSRP. The community should vote on a new manager and that’s who Mmartin should pass the reins to; doing so would rejuvenate the community, potentially salvage the staff’s reputation, and hopefully bring about a vision on the best path forward. I personally don’t have much faith in LSRPV but if that’s what Mmartin and others want to focus on, fine, but there needs to be a dedicated manager and team for each server, not one divided and dysfunctional team covering both. I don’t mind managers being paid for their efforts and wish LSRP was successful enough financially to pay all of their staff because I am extremely grateful for their contributions, but donations to the SAMP server should go towards the SAMP server and LSRPV donations should go towards LSRPV. Once either project is sustainable and successful enough, only then should managers and/or staff get paid. With foresight and an actual vision, there will be more to go around in the long run, but if the status quo persists, donations will dwindle away to nothing. The LSRP brand exists on SAMP, not on GTAV, and it’s glaringly apparent the SAMP server needs to be more of a priority going forward. LSRP SAMP failing is a marketing disaster for LSRPV. Plenty of good ideas have been presented and I have no doubt that people within the staff team have pushed for many of the improvements we are asking for, but ultimately it starts at the top. Management needs to seek player feedback more via discussions like this, feedback surveys, allowing players to vote on important decisions, etc., then utilize those findings, set out a vision and get everyone pulling on the same rope. The disconnect between staff and players needs to be eradicated and instead we need to be one cohesive team. I know this sounds like a pipedream, but I believe the right leadership can make it happen, at least to some extent. TL;DR: Management needs to step it up for the community, put forth a comprehensive vision that we can all work towards, or step aside for someone who will. LSRP's future depends on it. What's your vision for the future? If you bring forward a problem, do so respectfully and also bring forth a solution. Please keep it clean and let's have a productive discussion that can hopefully help shape a positive future for LSRP.

I'm trying to spit some facts here and I genuinely hope I won't get banned for what I'm going to say. And I still believe that honest advice is hard to hear but beneficial; good medicine tastes bitter but cures the disease, and the reason why I type this out cause I love this community. I'm sure we, the people who posting shit under the thread do to cause we could've just watched it dying slowly without giving two fucks. The current management team is composed of backstabbers who took over the server from our beloved DamianC, back then the admin team genuinely had connections with the players, they really CARED about us and treated us like friends, one hand washes another and both wash the face. Countless funny events, I remember one time one member passed away and the admin team organised a campaign so our community member can be remembered in a special form together, that's how admin team making connections with players instead of taking their donation money without feeding anything back to the server! But later? Things changed upside down. Looking back, we find that every management team has had its share of mistakes, scandals, opacity, and corrupt administrators. Frank Krane N krisk, opaque IFM and the list goes on and on but why we would love to come back to play like it's a recycle? Cause it's all about the people around us, the e friends you made along the way. The script doesn't matter at all, all you need is imagination and be able to think outta the box. Roleplay is basically the same no matter whether you got a sick ass script coming straight from 2050 or the same shit from 2010. [Marijuana 100] and Marijuana - 28.0g (Large) doesn't make no different in game at all. The reason why lsrp kept bringing us back is the nostalgia and the friends with you, also the trust-worthy SAMP server with its undeniable reputation. It has always been the heavy text roleplay based server on SAMP. We also love the old LS-RP cause the old wild wild west style, the community itself gatekept the concept heavily so it fosters you to get better, otherwise you'd get roasted daily. If you can't get better, you might just move on to a whole brand new concept yourself. If you can't adapt the community's toxic enviornment, you can move along too. There were barely any snowflakes on Skype, forum, but nowadays everything changed. You can't talk bad about anyone otherwise a forum ban coming your way. Testers / Admins also losing their ability to justify whether the suggestions are useful or not, they just shut everything down like it's a community country like China / North Korea. It's really bad for the community. Cause it's players made the community, players are the voice. And in the end, I wanna say it's not about the marketing. You wanna promote things on Myspace or Facebook? It's long gone, SA-MP is long gone. Have fun while it lasted as you can, cause once you type in 'LS-RP' on youtube, only deathmatch videos would pop out and it's a bad root. Cause it only attracts DMers. The new generations don't give a single fuck about SA-MP heavy text based roleplay, they all getting attracted by those FiveM voice server, the hardcore heavy text based period has long gone. This time I'm bringing GTA:World up so you can clearly see the difference between two servers, LS-RP got some die hard hardcore roleplayers while GTA:World has become a light roleplay server. This is the trend. I'm afraid LS-RP would end like that way as well. I'm sure we all hitting 25s or 30s, this generation's player base would only decrease. So give it a last shot, mass unban or selectively unban a certain people. We finna beat on the dead horse again, give it a one last go. Also you really think LS-RP:V is a good idea? Come on. We all knew what happened since the last grand openning, it went downfall, we could've hardly hit 50 after the first month. It's not attracting any new players since the old ones always stuck on the GTA:World. Come on management team, do something. We love this community that's why we'd let our voice out. Like I said, we could've walked away without giving a damn but we still chose to speak out. Cause we love this community and we don't wanna see it's dying out.

Censorship is a short-term fix that causes long-term damage to player trust. Time and time again, Los Santos Roleplay has needed its leadership to be more than just present, but to be actively engaged and willing to adapt. If the goal is to save the server, the solution is open dialogue, not a delete button. Let the community speak. I also firmly believe that shifting all focus to GTA:V is/was a mistake. LSRP lacks the first-mover advantange in that space; the market is already saturated with established servers that have spent years refining their features and communities. LSRP’s unique identity and legacy are rooted in SAMP (were they were also the first mover). Trying to play catch-up on a new platform while neglecting the core community here is a recipe for failure. We need to lean into what makes us unique, not chase a train that left the station years ago.

I shit on Valenti a lot because it's fun, and troll on here but in all honesty, you done fucked up people The simple fact that you banned almost all of the decent players (there's good factions around, but obviously cannot hold up this server) because of idiotic reasons and as a staff, could not take accountability to the fact that you had a shit management is the problem. And this problem won't change. When I had my faction running at the start of the SAMP revamp (say what you want about our quality of rp, your thoughts, etc, I don't give fuck. Simply correlating my point in a generic sense) we were actively role playing and contributing. How df does it take the staff team (at the time) 3 OOC months to approve business requests, and then another 2-3 months to even consider our strawmen requests and schemes which were ultimately shot down. This staff team has alienated this community to the point of mediocrity and complete failure. Wanna see the PB boom and have maybe one small sliver of hope? 1. Unban everyone and begin accepting applications without holding a gun to their heads. 2. Enforce strict rules, and discipline as necessary to ensure a seamless transition of an increased PB. 3. Process any and all applications in no more than a 2 week review period (if as a staff you're overworked, then figure it out. That's literally your position). 4. Drop LSRPV, either ride this shit out to the fullest or focus on 1 thing at a time. You will never be successful managing 1 failing server and trying to develop another failure. This is common sense and the fact that you continue to think it'll work is crazy. 5. Use Reddit, Steam, and Discord for mass advertising. Youtube and all that other shit doesn't work, and is labor intensive. If you make short reels of engaging rp, it'll entice players and bring back old ones. 6. Someone said it, but remove @Mmartin and replace his ass with someone who gives a fuck, and can explain where LSRP's money went all these years. He's dead weight, once you can come to terms with this then can a new kingpin drown the community's thirst for intense role play. I guarantee you if I was unbanned (not that I care to be at this point, but I guess I still give a shit about this community because of nostalgia) I can bring 6-7 players with me. There are other banned players I know who can do the same. It's really not a hard concept.

I get where you're coming from because when staff had decided to turn back to SAMP instead of Rage, it was the exact same thing that happened. Players joined the team showing solely interest in SAMP and not Rage, this is over a year ago I'm speaking in perspective of, when it first relaunched. Every new member of the staff joined only showing interest in SAMP and not Rage. Soo I understand your point of view from a different observation because, exactly how you are describing how you felt the staff team direction was heading into RAGE over SAMP for the past six months. And I completely agree with you, that it should be divided into two sections, if we're gonna keep both platforms open. End of the day, we've got a community set in two different directions no matter how you look at things. Now from my point of view, the main concern of this topic for the SAMP players is there isn't enough SAMP updates coming out for players to keep interest in LSRP SAMP, because the current Devs are mainly involved in the RAGE side of things, and weren't interested in SAMP to begin with. Yes, a year ago? There was a good few Devs onboard in the team, as well as testers which all arrived solely for SAMP, now for me personally at that time I was disappointed that this wave come only showing interest in SAMP and not trying to help RAGE reform itself, but I understand that people just have their own interest and opinions; soo why pursue them to help out in something they don't want to help out in. Two weeks into SAMP opening it was pretty clear that people who wanted to come in as staff members for SAMP didn't have the drive or commitment to actually overall help the server grow, Devs at that time were pushing out modules to have about five to ten percent of the SAMP dedicated testers not even help with testing the modules, which frustrated those Devs and in turn made them leave; and those testers were eventually as well removed for not helping to commit to the server. Again, this is just my point of view from what I witnessed in my time. Only thing I could really add to try and assist LSRP SAMP is if any of you know a Dev that can code in SAMP and is interested in doing that type of thing, let them know about the concerns and ask them to apply for a position, if you want to help the server out yourself but don't have any coding skills? Apply to become a tester when a committed Dev to SAMP arrives to help them test modules and push out updates regularly.

Sure, we break some balls in here, but I go way back. I think the bottom line is, either roleplay or don't. Admittedly my take doesn't have a lot of nuance to it, as I don't have much experience with the staff and I've only been back on this server for a year, but my history with this place goes as far back as '09. Historically, the staff at large have notoriously been a tyrannical regime who log on to pat each other's backs and make life harder for everybody else, and while they may very well be mostly to blame for the dip in activity, I can't speak to it because I don't involve myself much in these things. The server has always had its peaks and valleys, but I think if we want to save this server, a significant amount comes down to getting in-game and leading by example, we should get to the heart of this thing and address what we're all here to do. Multiple people log onto this forum every day, more than 1,000 people are active on the server's Discord channel as we speak, and yet the server's activity is no where to be seen; barely anything out of RAGE, and yet people still dutifully log on, each week, to see how SAMP is doing. @shotgun shawty I agree with most of the things you said, but this is pretty reductionist. The same could be said for any crime-based roleplay server, but interest has waned for you specifically. There's still people out there more than capable and willing to find new, original takes on that kind of roleplay, so if it isn't your cup of tea now, then fair enough. The game being old has nothing to do with it either, there are a lot of players who enjoy the novelty of it and prefer how its graphics and art style lend more toward the imagination.

Unless management participates in these kind of threads, they render useless. Last thread was 8 pages with not a single comment from management (Oh my bad, they had one post saying not to doxx or flame or whatever and then closed it). The vets can toss ideas and reflect until next month but without management actively responding to them, which doesn't seem like they plan on doing, it's pointless.

I'm kinda a new player on this community, joined in June 2025. It was an amazing half a year where I could develop my RP and also my English skills that were wack. I met one of the best collectives I could've find and I got along with them really good showing that I'm trustworthy. For that, even I've landed late on this server with so much heritage, I felt every session of gameplay. I had the chance to meet older and experienced players that brought the lore with their RP skills. Please, don't let this die, not now. As many said here, LSRP is known for the SAMP scene. If you want to /sell/ your product to the mases you should aim for the feelings first and show the community a straight direction without cloudy ways. /The man/ laying almost dead on the hospital still breaths, hardly but it does, at least. There's still hope. I think there's no better to do for the server, mapping it's cool, the systems need a little fixing, etc. Nothing on Earth it's perfect and people should unite, showing a honorably last dance that beautiful even the trollers and LSRP's biggest haters would love to join and fix their behaviour. I don't know what's the hype for GTA V, there's also World who took the floor and as @kermit said: Their assets and goods are there, no one's looking to farm their days again.

I honestly think before LSRP V is even considered to launch; what would the lore of that server even be? Is it a continuation of the lore from LSRP SAMP carried over? Or is it going to be a completely new environment, with new characters, new factions and a new server lore? I find it really difficult to differentiate between them because at the beginning of LSRP V’s launch we were told we couldn’t roleplay Valenti because it is a new universe and new lore. Yet, people were still carrying their trade mark names from LSRP SAMP (an example being Natasha Valentine) and carrying them over. This is also something that needs to be clarified and set in stone. Some factions that were a thing on LSRP SAMP were allowed to cross over while some weren’t.

I’d like to start this post with a big gratitude to the people operating behind the scenes to make the server last this long. The truth is that from my perspective as just a roleplayer of the community there isn’t a whole lot that I am aware of what it takes to do tedious things like develop and invest in projects tailored to satisfy a big community. Having been apart of this server since 2011, and witnessing different phases of management and FM, the way that I view things now is that everyone has their idea of what they think is good for the server and while it may rub off on other people the wrong way, I know that none of it was in vain. There isn’t one specific demographic of people in this community to blame for the state of the server, because every one of us has contributed to the current state of it. There are bad apples in every genre. Depending on the course of how this topic proceeds I would love to elaborate more, but I’m curious to see how this will be navigated because the players who want to put in the effort to make things better gets mixed in with those who strive to be nothing but an utter nuisance. I’d like the staff team to please consider separating those who offer constructive criticism into perhaps a private user group with this goal in mind. For those who are immature, toxic, and doxxing please keep them far away from the topic at hand.

I would like to preface this post by first begging administration to let this thread run its course unless it is absolutely derailed to the point of idiocy. Let the discourse flow. I have, embarrassingly, been a part of this server since early 2008. My 12 year old self would ask I be euthanized if he knew I was still roleplaying at my current age. However, I have always had a soft spot for this community and the people that make it up. Roleplay is a hobby that keeps the brain fresh and creative. I am too old to employ ChatGPT in this response. These words come from my beating, probably-autistic heart. I have been around for the entirety of LS-RP's latest return. I watched it start off firing, continue strong and exceed my own expectations of longevity by more than a year. I have had some of the best roleplay of my entire cursed tenure in this iteration. I have now watched, sighing, as it degrades. There is not one single reason or issue to point to, but instead, a host of many. This last run was doomed to fail from Ground Zero. I expected nothing of it, and it continued to defy and surprise me everyday. GTA World has the playerbase, the features, the map - all a roleplayer with something better than an ancient laptop could desire. It, however, lacks LS-RP's innate soul. GTA World is not LS-RP. Do I know how to salvage this server? No. Do I think an aggressive marketing campaign will save it? No. Easy requests have been delayed, scripting has grated down to a standstill, and the only good administrators we have have somehow become a lightning rod for the frustration everyone feels. Do I attribute these issues to a single individual? No, the rot is systemic. Grow up if you're trying to affix blame to a single individual. Is there administration that should have long ago lost their title? Yes. Many of these others however, as aforementioned, are the only ones fighting to make the situation better and breathe life into a sever already gasping for its own. Stop shitting on them. They are the only thing keeping this Titanic-after-iceberg afloat. As we sit here and debate how to save a dying, geriatric body, I see only one way forward. It's bringing that soul back. Countless hours have been spent chasing away factions comprised of some of the best roleplayers I know in an attempt to punish the lowest percentile of their membership. Meanwhile, spree-robbers and moronic behavior runs rampant and untouched. If you want this shit to last, it's time to get in-game and lead by example. Create the change you want to see in this world. Create a community of roleplayers that people want to join. If we wanted to leave and discard this server, we all would have left already and wouldn't waste time typing up a response like this. The manifesto? I can only speak to my specific niche on the server. Center it around roleplay. We have a roster of strong official factions. Concentrate features into their hands. Encourage systems that allow them to connect with unofficial factions and water the plants seeded by these new factions. Create an ecosystem wherein factions are forced to rely on one another to achieve their aims. Narrow the scope of schemes and material distribution and force factions to center their aims into singular ones. X faction should be the kingpin of cocaine, while another should have the means to launder money. A third faction should pioneer good chopshop-based roleplay, while the fourth spends their time researching how to best portray the marijuana grow op they have in their basement in-game. These are limited examples that could easily be implemented. Reflect real life criminality. Encourage interplay between these groups, not because it results in cool screenshots, but instead, because it creates a semblance of necessity in sustaining their own faction’s expansion. The best roleplayers I know have always been encyclopedias of knowledge in their specific lane. Encourage this specialization. Stop policing concepts so harshly when the activity and wherewithal is not there to sustain or even acknowledge their approval. Let people cook. The second order of importance is clarity. Too many discussions occur behind closed doors. As a member of IFT, my ilk and myself are guilty of this. Expose everything to the soul of this community - the players. Act on their suggestions when good immediately, and offer insight as how to improve upon ideas when they're bad or otherwise lacking. The administration should not be a separate body from the players overseeing them, but instead, a sounding board for the players they are representing. Make it political. There should be no tenure for administrators that aren't enacting the goals of the general populace. Administrators should not be private police, but the speaking output for those they represent. To stifle discussion is to make your own job irrelevant. Unless blatant bullshit is happening, let everyone say their piece in the agora that is this server. Lastly, and most importantly: FUCK KRISK FUCK KIRIL SOKOLOV FREE SHARIF REYNOLDS FREE RIVA FREE ASESINO FREE DAMIANC UP BAHDBH AND RYE FUCK GTA V We can all watch this server die a slow, awkward death or we can take steps to be the change we wish to see in it. For many of us, this is our last chance at roleplaying and comprising membership of the server we want to see. Clown on this post to your heart's content. I have searched all of my empty pockets and cannot find a fuck to give.

With all due respect you need to get your head outta your ass with how much you asslick LSRP’s false promises with a server on gta 5, face the truth, GTA World was made by ex-LSRP players who were fed up with all the bullshit the LSRP management had back in 2017. Ask yourself, if the management gives no fucks about their community right now what makes them care about their so called ‘savior’ LSRP V?

Did we really think this would be anything like LS-RP "v1"? To the unware eyes this was just a money scheme. What happened to not re-opening LS-RP because rights and permissions were needed? That soon went out the window when the heads saw the crazy blossom of Red County RP. Just weird how LS-RP decided to re open a few months later after Red County after telling the community numerous times that it was never happening and "legally" cannot happen. It was a fun first few months, a refresh back into SAMP roleplay but of course, the dictatorship came as it always did. It's like a red or blue pill scenario, you make a set of people happy and sacrifice the other group and this whole journey has been a blue print of that. An insane amount of favouritism was shown to various groups while the others were basically told to suck it up but that's how its always been so it was really nothing new. We couldn't of expected any sort of great change from Mmartin when his track record consists of going AWOL, leaving issues or development on the back burner and having his pawns to twiddle their fingers and just figure out how to run it. But I will admit you did fool me with the UCP voting system on stuff we want. Fair play, but just goes to show how incapable Mmartin is at keeping his word. If you're wondering on how you can fix this, you can't. Just let it go, the reality is this should've never happened and only did because the potential for money was apparent. The removal of the bronze, silver and gold packages? Making one package a $20 p/m scheme? You cannot tell me money wasn't the motivation here. Overpriced shit. The whole point of the donation system is to support the server. Support what exactly? Support admins giving unfair verdicts? Making staff reports for it to still be denied? Letting the suggestion section pile up and ignoring it? Leading people on and giving false hope? The fall is bitter sweet. The staff team took a change a while back seeing people go and still then it's been a mess. The only high power admin I can speak good about is risen. You can say whatever you want about him but when the server was experiencing the random loss of weapons, this man was the only person to actually look into it and sort it. The others who I won't name couldn't give a fuck. And I messaged all of them and all just ignored me. Now what sort of "lead admin" team is that? When you're put into that position you don't fall back and relax, you're suppose to guide and sort out issues, you have certain permissions over other admin levels specifically to resolve issues and you all choose to do nothing with it? This isn't a virtual celebrity ring, you're nothing special outside of LS-RP, the need to act like you are is laughable. You're admin for a reason, do your job, help the community, stop acting like a bighead. A mass unban solves nothing. A change in the structure will change nothing. LSRP is nothing more than a hvh server now. The games old, it's more or less a recycling server now. How different can you RP from the last ten years? As a community we've seen every scripted LCN dialog, every Sureno kite stabbing, every Crip and Blood war. It's bland, boring, old and recycled.

LSRP has developed the SAMP server to the point that there's just simply nothing else to do, and even if there was, there's not enough developers for the job. We're about to hit 2026. Let's accept that SAMP is obsolete and there is virtually no point spending resources into it. The SAMP server had its brain death years ago. The heart is beating, people get the illusion that SAMP might survive, but in reality, it died a long time ago. We hate to see the server we spent our childhoods on get closed, but conservatism of something that no longer has interest is just bad. I personally think that the SAMP server should just be allowed to have the peaceful death it rightfully deserves after decades of roleplay and stay as a wonderful memory in our heads instead of a last ditch effort gone wrong. RageMP is the only way to ensure LSRP's survival. This is just simple facts. If anything, LSRP was extremely delayed to make the move to RageMP. GTA5, in every single aspect, is superior to the literal team deathmatch server we had on SAMP since 2024. For more than five years, people have migrated from LSRP to GTAW, because it was just simply the same thing they had in LSRP, but with better scripts, better graphics, and better everything, yet for some reason we're still insisting on trying to bring back SAMP to life. The player counts speak for themselves. Your average Joe is no longer interested in a 20 year old "nostalgia" that is being clowned on by insiders, and outsiders. Being in LSRP used to mean something back in the days. It doesn't mean shit anymore because we just kept trying to revive a corpse that died in 2021 with false hopes and false promises. It's over guys. Just like everything in life, SAMP finally died, whether we like it or not.

writing this in phone I have been apart of this community since 2018, known about it since around 2016 over the years I’ve matured, been through relationships and seen this server in so many ways. I’ve found out so much about myself specifically thanks to this server it re-sparked the creativity I once had that was sucked out of me when I was even younger. It’s helped me through dark times, that especially helped me get my creative control back (as seen from my latest character stories) that fuelled me to keep going and see screenshot editing as an artform, kind of like writing a book or painting a picture to a story, that being one of the main reasons I haven’t used the auto screenshot tools and stuck solely to photoshop all these years. I’ve seen the history, dramas, notable factions and the legacy many have left and through all the “samp is dead” messages we’ve all lived through that are probably in the thousands, most of us refused to give up. SAMP will always have the vibe that GTA 5 servers could never replicate and after seeing the huge downfall of LSRP v first launch, I think many of us would agree it will be a disaster once again. I believe many would agree with me that instead of migrating to LSRP v they would rather go back to gta w since they either: already have accounts or friends or ingame assets which they don’t want to grind for again. A lot of us prefer SAMP for the simplicity of it, most of us have been around so long we know the map and functions and what objects have collisions and what can stop bullets by memory. This can’t be said for most of us if we are forced to move to LSRP v as a lot of us do. My thoughts on the matter on even just a tiny bump of revival, especially if mmartin has the email accounts that have been used all this time that might still exist in a mysql database somewhere, is do something similar littleitaly rp does I had completely forgotten I made an account there, but still get emails to my crappy school email I made 14 years ago about major updates. This might sound tedious but I see it as a “We’re still here and we haven’t forgotten you” type of way, sure you cant filter out all the bad apples but what can you do. This idea wasn’t directly inspired by the emails I got, but rather a few years ago I was outside with my friends and this one dude was on a mental health walk or something (i seriously don’t really know what he was up to nor can I remember his name he literally just joined us and talked about his life) and while chatting we got into gaming and he mentioned this one server he used to play called LSRP, my mind went fuckin wild realising the age this dude is and the fact the server I play on that was currently still regarded as my “Childhood” that was also his childhood though he was way older made me realise he really has been around that long, I mentioned it to him that it’s still up and alive and swell (this was way before the first shutdown and major ddos attacks) and he talked a bit about the server, the factions that were around then and notable players he remembered even asked if him or that guy or she still play, which I had no answer for (I couldn’t remember or didn’t know those people) but could comfort with the fact that many from his era are still around. I might’ve made him return to the server or even got him rewatching old clips from the server where he used to spend his days in. The moral of this story is, this server has been around for so long, It’s been an amazing way for people to find out more about themself and what they’re interested in, hell YBN nahmir’s lyrics are probably from his characters from this very server, but migrating to LSRP v is not a good idea, I just hope that if it does migrate, the samp server stays with the a before mentioned and I do not wish to continue on a gta 5 platform that a lot of us aren’t accustom to nor have any nostalgia, passion, artistic expression both by skins and screenshots and the way you type your /me’s and /my’s, funding (have you seen the recent ram prices??) and simplicity. It is now 1:45 AM I don’t even know if I made any sense but, heres hoping samp strives for another few years.

Given how far the server has fallen and with many capable people leaving for various reasons over the years, there's no question finding a suitable leader is a tall task. What I would like to see is a proven, respected, experienced leader and roleplayer who brings forth a vision that the community will rally behind; a uniter and strong team-builder who is willing to put the community's interests ahead of their own, meaning compromising their own personal desires for the greater good and reinvesting donation money into improving the server instead of lining their own pockets. They need to be taking the job out of their love for LSRP. In my mind, it doesn't have to be a current or former administrator because many of the most capable people for this position have never had the desire to climb the staff ranks due to the menial tasks involved and would rather focus on roleplaying, but they may have interest in a monumental position like this where they can focus on big picture solutions that brings life back to LSRP. No matter who it is—whether they have prior LSRP staff experience or not—they will have strengths and weaknesses, so they will need to be an effective delegator who can keep the ship moving in the right direction. They certainly don't need to treat it like a full-time job but they do need to be available regularly enough to oversee the operation properly and engage with the community. I don't know who would be interested but I'm confident an opportunity like this may bring some old legends out of the woodwork. Whoever's track record and proposal best meets this criteria would get my vote. I greatly appreciate the discussion so far and understand morale is low right now but must say I do question the intentions behind some of the "LSRP SAMP is dead, stop beating a dead horse" type of comments. If that's your opinion, fine, but what are you doing here? I don't think anyone here believes we can return to the golden age of LSRP when it was regularly hitting 500+ players, but we can improve upon the current state of the server and make it a great place to roleplay once again. With the right leadership, vision, and teamwork, we can make a new golden age that looks a little different, albeit on a smaller scale. It is possible, but the negative, defeatist, apathetic mindset I'm seeing in some of these posts doesn't help the cause.

I'm not disputing that World is popular, and for good reasons too, but why are you comparing one against the other? SAMP provides a different experience, and one that people still resonate with; however after reading the posts so far in this thread, the majority of these people seem beaten down by the fact that their server's overlords would lazily rather try to cash-in on a GTA V server 12 years into its existence, than invest in their loyal player base and enrich the server. Choose one lane or another, the fact that RAGE is so half baked is a testament to how little Mmartin gives a shit about this community. If I were you, I'd stop duking it on the forum and go and have fun on World where they've been refining the GTA V experience for years, instead of jeopardizing this community of roleplayers.

Who's at fault for this current state? The answer is fiddy-fiddy. 50% players fault 50% staffs fault When LSRP reopened the interest was very clearly there. We all wanted one last ride. It wasn't long before the mistakes of the past from both the community as well as staff started to resurface. The golden age of LSRP where everyone shat on everyone was still present. We all collectively brought the server to this state and blaming the staff alone is hypocrisy. The ship hasn't sunk yet and there's no guarantee it's salvageable at this point but it's worth a shot. I agree with Busato that a change at the top is required. However I do not think we should vote for one person to take over the reins and hope for the best. Whenever 1 person ran the entire community, sooner or later we always end up in this exact spot. I think all members of staff should collectively run and decide everything, and the community should vote for the members of staff instead. Further more, I also think we need to completely get rid of admin ranks in order for this to work. I also think all members of staff need to be paid. How little of much it doesn't matter. Simplify the system. Lose having to go on the forums to apply for everything. Allow players to start companies instantly in game. Allow players to instantly lease businesses wherever they want. Helicopter money to anyone creating RP around these 2 systems. Kill LSRP V entirely. The chances of it succeeding are lesser than the chances of SAMP staying alive at this point. World owns GTA V. Come to terms with this reality and try to salvage what remains. Lastly, and most importantly: FUCK KRISK FUCK KIRIL SOKOLOV FREE SHARIF REYNOLDS FREE RIVA FREE ASESINO FREE DAMIANC UP BAHDBH AND RYE FUCK GTA WORLD

I don't mean to derail at all. But the damage is absolutely done. We lost valuable members and reliable admins that quite clearly cared yesterday. Community members including myself and others were banned/suspended from the forums for no reason. Aloosh and Maxolino is no longer an admin. Between the last thread and every other threads in the past there is way to much valuable information about what comes next. I'd love to see motivated community members play a more significant role on forums and on the server. I think it is safe to say that we're all so freaking exhausted trying to just express our feelings which always almost ends up going over ears and eyes that aren't ready to hear or see. The current server situation is just pitiful and again community members are here to push the server in a different direction, but the solution ends up just getting slashed by admins. I've spent about fifteen years on this server... There is no game quite like LSRP on SAMP and there will never be one again unless we all band together, listen to the ugly freaking truth and push this community forward.

The Mexican Mafia / Politics on the Pavement I

I'll try to mention a few words as an player since 2008. LSRP has always been the soul of all heavy RP communities. Every other community that was established was under the inspiration of LSRP, by grace and not by merit. The last playerbase crash was severe for several reasons, in which both management and players played a part. It started with toxicity between the players and the rivalry getting out of hand. Now for the main point and the rather critical reason, which is the leadership. Where the hell are you Mmartin? The donations died down, and that's not even an interesting topic, but as the symbol of LSRP, you should have been here during these times too. I feel that the current leadership is operating and choosing the community's "settings" according to their own private needs, not to serve the community. Only those close to the plate are chosen and enjoy the benefits. - These discussions feel like a stuck video to me, and every time there's disappointment with the outcome. I hope this time there will be a significant change that can restore this dismal situation. Peace out, fays3l #FreeEveryone

Yes. And consider expanding roles for trusted members of the community that are elected and chosen by the community to represent them without strings and powers attached beyond that, like administrative powers etc. It is obvious at this point that the current system breeds yes men. Look what happened to Aloosh's comment on the previous thread and the subsequent comment from admin's discord that leaked shortly after. Consider it a court jester role. Somebody needs to spill the truth without feeling compelled to hold back because of some sort administrative role or whatever.

Whatever posts are being deleted / removed do not have any value being in this thread. Time and time again we have said we do not want this thread derailed. One post was trying to relate this on the actions of Napoleon in 1812. It's simply added noise.

Why are posts still being removed? If the staff team wants us players to trust them, then you should return the favor by trusting us. This is not the way to go.

this goes crazy 🔥

Sadly this'll just fall on deaf ears. I appreciate that there are still some people who believe LSRP will remain on SAMP but concerns has been voiced before and to be honest, Mmartin won't hand off LSRP to anyone aslong as they have this dream idea of LSRP V being their saviour they never received.

Lets gooo🔥

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL gl

gl

This server needs another pandemic.

rollin crip thats da gvngk

Get to work lil laden

OK, this discussion has run it's course by now, it went from 'where did everyone go' to 'let's bash the staff team'. Yall have a nice day.