San Andreas and California co-existing? (LSRP Lore)

[Dos Santos]

I personally don't agree with having Los Santos / San Andreas bordered of from the mainland. Back on LS-RP SA-MP it was a un-written rule where SA replicated California and should be done the same here, simply not allowing us to have a mainland sort of vibe is strictly going to cause issues in the near future. 

 

Hopefully not, we can have a thread that clarifies what's what so there isn't speculations. But I totally do agree that San Andreas should replicate California.

[Aaron]

I don't understand why something so trivial yet important is falling under the purview of a management member, who in no disrespect whatsoever, hasn't roleplayed solidly in years? Let the vote fall to the community who will actually play the server. The above vote shows that it's evident how the community feel about the issue.

[Chuckles]

I don't know what's happened but at one point in time everything on the server was diagrammed. An agreement, by common accord, was that San Andreas substituted Southern California. This was the inspiration for a lot of rules, factions and mapping additions. The Mexican Mafia and PEN1 dominates the prison system, the white and hispanic streets gangs pay homage respectively, both the PD and SD have units named after their real life equivalence and everything including vernacular, dialect and cultures are adapted to as much immersion as possible. Not only this, but for half a decade factions have used this how-to to realistically administer drugs and weapons coming into the city through its neighbouring cities like Nevada, Arizona and Utah. 

 

We seem to be on a backwards trajectory since the transition to GTA V with no real template in mind. To me, this "San Andreas co-exists with California" puts us in a parallel universe, somewhere we're all foreign to. And I'd say it is a view comparative to those who advocate for single player gangs, completely opposite of what a heavy roleplay server should be enforcing. The fact of the matter is, by enforcing this, it removes all the foundations we've built for over a decade where there's a pretty much unanimity around the formulation. The blacks roleplay in South Central for this reason. The Hispanics roleplay in Rancho for this reason. Armenian Power roleplay in Vinewood for this reason. Without this agreement, what's generally being preached is that it's now a free-for-all.

 

A lot of people came back because of the old prototype. The foundations were strong, the factions were strong and the enforcement was strong, but fair. There has been a lot of mixed signals sent out recently that indicates a lack of accord and structure. And I'm bewildered because a lot of this should have been covered. What I don't understand is how the developers have managed to almost complete the server but everything else is essentially barebones basic. There is no real modus operandi, no real directory to make players culturally aware of anything beyond development. Everything feels muddled and last-minute when realistically, the server should be the last thing ready. Everything else should have been addressed weeks, if not months ago.

 

This island shit has to stop. We should replace California and we should be bordered by Nevada, Arizona and other neighbouring cities. If this is to be enforced, it should be at the very least an open-dialogue and not an open-and-shut thread. My only ask is that this thread remains open and isn't closed until we're all satisfied with the OP's canvass. 

 

Surely this approach doesn't come because there's "no bridge"? 

Edited February 23, 2022 by Chuckles

[largehazard]

Most of us will not be roleplaying San Andreas as an island that co-exists with California regardless of any ruling. That's how stupid the idea is to us. I don't mean to be rude, only frank.

[RGelfuso]

How about a compromise and say that San Andreas replaces California but that San Andreas takes the land that California as a state occupies, and Los Santos aka Los Angeles is situated on an island off the coast of California?

 

I understand the previous point that it would not make sense to have the US' second largest city on a separate island, but that is trivial as obviously Los Santos in this universe is not the size of Los Angeles in any way. Having it like this would mean we don't just ignore that we are obviously roleplaying on an island and any characters "visiting" San Fierro or Las Venturas would hop on an imaginary flight or boat to the mainland.  

 

See the image in the spoiler below to see a rough idea of how this would operate. Obviously, the image is comparing the sizes of LS and LA, but for roleplay purposes imagine that LA was not there, or possibly even roleplay that Las Venturas and San Fierro as they exist in GTA SA occupied that space. Like this, it would only be a short flight to get from Los Santos international to the mainland. 

 

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I'm not too bothered by either prospect in all honesty as it makes little difference to the actual roleplay, but a line in the sand should be drawn so everyone knows where they stand. 

Edited February 23, 2022 by RGelfuso

[timid]

Like Dos Santos said, it was an unwritten rule on SAMP that San Andreas replaced California, and that should reflect officially in this new era. Leadership need to either form a continuity team, allow the faction team to establish continuity and lore, or similar so long this is made official. Other communities have already established and universally agreed upon this, and it puts us behind to lack this as our official stance. 

[Florida]

If we are an Island I demand we change the American Flag to have 51 stars.

[deadplaya]

3 hours ago, RGelfuso said:

How about a compromise and say that San Andreas replaces California but that San Andreas takes the land that California as a state occupies, and Los Santos aka Los Angeles is situated on an island off the coast of California?

 

I understand the previous point that it would not make sense to have the US' second largest city on a separate island, but that is trivial as obviously Los Santos in this universe is not the size of Los Angeles in any way. Having it like this would mean we don't just ignore that we are obviously roleplaying on an island and any characters "visiting" San Fierro or Las Venturas would hop on an imaginary flight or boat to the mainland.  

 

See the image in the spoiler below to see a rough idea of how this would operate. Obviously, the image is comparing the sizes of LS and LA, but for roleplay purposes imagine that LA was not there, or possibly even roleplay that Las Venturas and San Fierro as they exist in GTA SA occupied that space. Like this, it would only be a short flight to get from Los Santos international to the mainland. 

 

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I'm not too bothered by either prospect in all honesty as it makes little difference to the actual roleplay, but a line in the sand should be drawn so everyone knows where they stand. 

theres no need to portray it as an island whatsoever. as the GTA V wiki says:

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 Lester mentioning in The Paleto Score that the body of water north of Paleto Bay is actually a river.

 

The GTA V map is a small portion of the State of San Andreas, It's in the fact the southern-most tip. There are multiple other cities in the state of San Andreas and to assume that the entire state is the playable map is stupid. Management needs to make an official ruling, but I personally and most other people I've talked will not be role-playing the existance of California, or that San Anne is an island.
 

[IdleStacks]

Roleplaying LS as an island would be absolutely bizarre. The map limitations suck but I think we're all smart enough to pretend we're not in the middle of the ocean.

[Tens & Twenties]

I've always subconsciously acknowledged that San Andreas is a replacement for the state of California. For me it's too weird to see Los Angeles co-existing with Los Santos within the same lore together, they are obviously the same place in essence as the latter was meant to parody Los Angeles.

 

We should just go with Los Santos replacing Los Angeles, with Vegas and San Francisco staying the way they are, given the fact that the HD universe is entirely different compared to the 3D one. Some might agree with this but even so, there will undoubtedly be people roleplaying otherwise— which is why there is a dire need for the establishment of lore continuity through the faction team and the community as a whole so everyone can be on the same page.

Here's what I had in mind so far:

 

 

This is more or less just a rough conceptual representation.

 

Edited February 23, 2022 by Tens & Twenties
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[r0yal]

1 hour ago, Tens & Twenties said:

I've always subconsciously acknowledged that San Andreas is a replacement for the state of California. For me it's too weird to see Los Angeles co-existing with Los Santos within the same lore together, they are obviously the same place in essence as the latter was meant to parody Los Angeles.

 

We should just go with Los Santos replacing Los Angeles, with Vegas and San Francisco staying the way they are, given the fact that the HD universe is entirely different compared to the 3D one. Some might agree with this but even so, there will undoubtedly be people roleplaying otherwise— which is why there is a dire need for the establishment of lore continuity through the faction team and the community as a whole so everyone can be on the same page.

Here's what I had in mind so far:

 

 

This is more or less just a rough conceptual representation.

 

I agree. I didn't like how people replaced Miami with Vice City and NYC with Liberty City on GTA:W when it isn't necessary and just breaks immersion in game.

 

There is literally no argument for roleplaying San Andreas as an island that outweighs the negatives it'll bring. So what if you can't drive north up to San Francisco because the map is an island? How does that actually affect you or your character? It's just a weird game limitation that needs to be ignored and worked around. 

 

This map looks good as a reference point.

Edited February 23, 2022 by r0yal

[Mister Pink]

The former option (SA replacing California) is obviously better and makes more sense. However I think there needs to be an official statement about LS-RP's universe, which will make things clear.

[RGelfuso]

3 hours ago, trouble.maker said:

theres no need to portray it as an island whatsoever. as the GTA V wiki says:

 

The GTA V map is a small portion of the State of San Andreas, It's in the fact the southern-most tip. There are multiple other cities in the state of San Andreas and to assume that the entire state is the playable map is stupid. Management needs to make an official ruling, but I personally and most other people I've talked will not be role-playing the existance of California, or that San Anne is an island.
 

The point I was making was to try and meet somewhere in the middle of the two opposing arguments. 

 

Yes it would be dumb to have San Andreas be separate from California, I wholeheartedly agree. But are we supposed to roleplay when you're stood at the edge of the map that there is land there instead of water? 

 

Regardless of which people choose to roleplay, it wouldn't actually make any difference to the actual roleplay produced. 

Edited February 23, 2022 by RGelfuso

[La Tweaker]

3 hours ago, IdleStacks said:

Roleplaying LS as an island would be absolutely bizarre. The map limitations suck but I think we're all smart enough to pretend we're not in the middle of the ocean.

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[Jeremias723]

let the vote fall to the community who will actually play the server