[[Discussions / Questions] San Andreas Penal Code]

2 hours ago, jguntel said:

There are no penal codes where it defines legal or illegal gambling. As it stands all gambling would be legal. Listed under the OOC server rules however there are rules for legal gambling, and illegal gambling.

 

 

OOC rules don't really have anything to do with the penal code. I would however assume that at one point a gaming code will be added, along with the charge of illegal gambling. It just isn't something crucial, so that'd explain why Kane and co. didn't include that.

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28 minutes ago, ImperiumXVII said:

I'm not entirely sure what is confusing about it. Generally the definitions of murder are what you said, except murder 1st degree (intentional; premeditated) is 187(a), 2nd degree (intentional; unpremeditated) is 187(b) and 187(c) is essentially a modifier for if a person is committing a felony that leads to them committing murder.

 

Manslaughter is unintentional & unpremeditated as you say. Where does the confusion lie in your opinion?

 

This is also setting up for a court system rather than the old system of LEO arrest person > LEO charge person, so a judge will be able to distinguish the differences better than an average LEO would.

1st and 2nd degree murder charges need to be very specific. 187(b) isn't a 2nd degree murder by it's book definition, it's still a 1st degree murder because malice aforethought means PREMEDITATION which is a part of 1st degree murder, not 2nd degree. 187(c) I'm not even sure what it is. In any case, once those issues are fixed - 2nd degree murder should receive less time than 1st degree murder for obvious reasons; it's a lesser offense. 

As for distinguishing the charges by LEOs, I find that pretty odd of you to say. That's literally their job, but even if they can't do it - if they press a 1st degree murder charge, it can still be dropped by the DA and prosecuted as a 2nd degree murder based on their professional understanding (it's actually a thing, people get arrested for murder in 1st degree, but then that charge is usually prosecuted as a 2nd degree murder, because those cases are usually easier for the prosecution to win, unless someone was caught in 4K that is). 

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Just now, BYLUG said:

 

There is no such charge in the penal code.
 

Libel is a tort, not a criminal charge due to the 1st amendment to the US constitution. It's got nothing to do with criminal charges. 

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22 minutes ago, Kane said:

Thanks for the feedback but please provide all logical mistakes and illogical charges so we can correct them. Where should warrants be mentioned? I'm not a fan of listing the times in OOC, it's just one of those things you have to live with. We can write something up on how to refer to times in character to suit everyones immersion.

As for the inconsistencies:

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230. Animal Abuse / Cruelty

 

(a) A person who intentionally maims, mutilates, tortures, wounds, or kills a living animal is guilty of a felony, punishable by a sentence of 1 hour, 30 minutes.

 

(b) A person whose neglect maims, mutilates, tortures, wounds, or kills a living animal is guilty of a felony, punishable by a sentence of 1 hour, 50 minutes.

 

that is one. It's a small thing but generally neglect isn't punished as harshly as intentional actions. As for the warrants, generally speaking state penal codes set out some rough criteria for them, set their expiration dates (in some states a search warrant is valid for 10 days, in some for 14 days, in some for 30 days, same thing applies to surveillence warrants for wiretaps) etc. I think it's genuinely needed. State penal codes also clarify who's a "peace officer" etc. and it was actually a thing in the previous SAMP penal code so you should be able to use it. As for listing the times OOC, you're right, however it probably wouldn't harm to at least add something along the lines of ((This charge is normally XXX years irl. You should try to roleplay that accordingly)) solely for the sake of realistic rp or portrayal, otherwise we'll end up like that one guy from the SAMP iteration of LSRP who roamed around with 40 felonies to his name and acted like it's no big deal. You could probably consider implementing a three strike policy as well. 

Also: charge enhancements are very much needed. Make it possible to stack "attempted" on most charges against persons/property. Gang membership enhancement as well. 

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In all honesty the entire penal code seems a bit rushed. There's a couple logical mistakes, some definitions are lacking, some charges are illogical. Different degrees of murder and manslaughter need to be listed. Peace officers have to be defined. Search warrants, arrest warrants, surveillence warrants, electronic warrants all need to be mentioned. Charges that are inflicted intentionally need to come with higher times than charges that result out of negligence. IC times should be listed for the sake of roleplay, and the OOC hour times should be listed in double brackets. Some charges need to be removed as well (such as rape, pedophilia) since they were banned OOC.

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5 minutes ago, Kane said:

Honestly, never occurred to me to outright ban it, we had it in SAMP and there were no issues...if 2 willing & consenting parties wanted to RP something, to each their own

 

I'll bring it up for discussion though.

GTA5 is way more graphic though. There's simply no room for this kinda predatory behavior on a rp server imo.

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1 minute ago, kendrick said:

187(a) is 1st degree murder and all other murders that don't fall under the definition of 187(a) would be considered 2nd degree murder or 187(b) in the penal code.

the (b) part is quite literally a book definition of 1st degree murder too. you guys got something mixed up. malice aforethought is nothing but premeditation, which is the factor that makes a (premeditated) murder into a 1st degree charge. 

[ban pedophilia rp from the server??]

should apply to rape as well. there's simply no room for predatory behavior like this (regardless of OOc permissions) and people shouldn't be given the space to live out their sick fantasies on a video game. 

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Could somebody clarify whether the penal code recognizes different degrees of murder and manslaughter? PC187 only mentions 1st degree murder. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=192.

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should allow to change everything except the parents imo 

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11 hours ago, Terrify said:

Ped skins should be mandatory, let's not restrict them to staff members or limited players and let some variety flow around the server. 

This.

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1 hour ago, skyrocket said:

In addition, the police should be able to request an admin to spawn a player's stash vehicle if a warrant were to be executed on it. And yes, the police should find the vehicle themselves.

That was a thing on SAMP. I'm not a huge fan of it, but if they're able to locate the vehicle via IC means and obtain enough evidence to secure a search warrant, then they should be allowed to proceed with that.

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