Can we bring back the old playerbase count?

[Cake]

1 minute ago, hitmantrkst said:

Let's also not forget the claims that his/her development work was that of his/her own, despite the majority (at least) deriving from previously released open source scripts that originated from other communities.

 

Haha what is this now? Tell me more, I'm genuinely intrigued. 

[Sfaccimma]

3 hours ago, izumi said:

For the post by Flim, Martin and badhbh was informed of the decision to close the thread so it's not like it was only my decision. Both of them would of had a perfect opportunity to say something should they felt like it was something worth discussing. Flim, you said that you sent me a PM, yes. You also asked if I could join TS and you were told I'm on LOA with a sickness and then proceeded to say "OK since you can't join TS for whatever reason" even though you honestly knew the reason why I wanted a PM instead and why you didn't get a response as I believe I told you in the IFT discord, I was on LOA at the time of reading. You also asked a bunch of questions such as "Are these factions running optimally? Are they supported by the current LFM; have they made steps to improving the game surrounding them?" - All Legal Factions are running optimally, regardless of what you think. They get all the support they need should they ask for it and aren't held back from doing things they want within reason so long as it's not something that'll damage their reptutation/server standards etc. If a legal faction needs anything to improve them, they can request for it. If they believe they need script additions, they can request it, mapping additions/changes? They can request. If they don't request it, we won't be going around just adding things willy nilly based on our opinions of what they need. 

 

It's a real damn shame we can't say the same exact thing for the ILLEGAL factions and IFT.

[Jamalio]

yooo can we bring Michael back?

I'll cover his hourly rate

 

[celestine]

3 hours ago, Flimerus said:

And, like I pointed out, if its out of your control who does it fall too?

 

Again, my point is not that LSFD is doing anything  wrong, it's that LFM haven't invested into it, or it seems that way.

Regardless, LSFD was not the initial talking point, it was more important than that.

 

Heya, LSFD leader here for the last couple of years!

 

The playerbase has always reflected the amount of members the LSFD has. When there'd be literal hundreds of players on the server back in 2015, there were almost 100 players in the LSFD. As the playerbase declined so did the member count. Server's at 100? I'd say LSFD is at maybe 8 off the top of my head if you don't include leadership.

 

LSFD recruitment is fairly easy. I'd say a ten year old can probably pass the exams. We give you the manuals, you get multiple choice questions and call it a day. All anyone has to do is apply and make sure they can write English well in-game with a quick interview. However, medical roleplay is not for everyone!

 

It can get repetitive and boring. For example, you're on duty and you just had back to back to back to back to back to back gunshot wound calls, you try to make the roleplay as unique as possible but it's still repetitive and soon enough, you get burnt out. Or you know what? You joined, you realized medical roleplay is just not your cup of tea so you resign. Or... life happens and you have to resign!

 

Anyone who ever complains to me about the lack of members in the LSFD, I'll respond with, "You're a part of the problem! Be a part of the solution and give it a try." Recruitment is open buuut... we're not here to force people to join. If you want to join, do it! We're a welcoming tight group that is always there for one another. Also, if you look at the current playerbase, everyone's either a cop or illegal. I wouldn't point the blame on Legal Faction Management either because again, it's not for everyone.

 

As for other pointers you brought up:

 

We do in-game events when we can, we attend any that are in the works whether we're there because it was the 9/11 event to stand there and look pretty or because there's a racing/wrestling event so we're there for medical back-up, etc. We do have fires from time to time but it depends on who's available and online, and what led to it, however, I'll speak for most of the LSFD on this one, we do not like OOCly orchestrated fires! It removes that realistic feeling of it and I'd rather attend an actual call with people that are calling 911 instead of some fake Jane Doe that's trapped in the building.

 

Recruitment fairs? We've attended those! As for paychecks, the lowest amount you'll ever get is $5,000 per hour but we typically have money in the bank that makes it higher than that. Lastly, new people should not be immediately operating the ship on their lonesome. We have our system in place and have made it way too easy for people to move up and pass the probationary stage. 

 

In the end, medical roleplay is not easy and not for everyone BUT we are PRESENT and THERE to teach you along the way! Just because you do not SEE what's going on doesn't mean it isn't happening! And there's my two cents. 😁

[matt]

18 hours ago, Angellify said:

Why is the conversation at hand about FD? FD is a niche area to roleplay in, so obviously it won't reach crazy activity numbers like PD or street gangs. Even on GTA:World, a server that has 9x the LS-RP playerbase and a lot more features added in, FD still struggles. 

 

 

 

Because people for some unknown reason struggle to understand that FD roleplay is quite delicate and complicated and you need to either have understanding or put some time into developing that. It's not that it's boring (yeah might be in this case because everyone either avoids doing it or just acts like an idiot when it comes to it) people just opt out for the easier option/something that will be easier for them - you get 1 person in 30 odd that actually wants to roleplay it/understands how to. 

[Vilbar]

Damn, what a bunch of fighters we've turned out to be. 

 

I've been here since 2014, and for the most part, I was just a lurker—never really vocal when it came to sharing my thoughts or contributing to forum discussions, aside from PD. I preferred to sit back and watch everything unfold in this community. But, man... it feels like most people here have already pointed out everything that's wrong, and management seems to be trying to listen.

 

I've been on and off LSRP, but I will always come back simply because it's hard to just walk away. I genuinely believe there's still potential here.

[Ragontor]

13 minutes ago, Vilbar said:

Damn, what a bunch of fighters we've turned out to be. 

 

I've been here since 2014, and for the most part, I was just a lurker—never really vocal when it came to sharing my thoughts or contributing to forum discussions, aside from PD. I preferred to sit back and watch everything unfold in this community. But, man... it feels like most people here have already pointed out everything that's wrong, and management seems to be trying to listen.

 

I've been on and off LSRP, but I will always come back simply because it's hard to just walk away. I genuinely believe there's still potential here.

Nothing beats SA:MP. It's like crack.

[Salazaros]

19 minutes ago, Vilbar said:

Damn, what a bunch of fighters we've turned out to be. 

 

I've been here since 2014, and for the most part, I was just a lurker—never really vocal when it came to sharing my thoughts or contributing to forum discussions, aside from PD. I preferred to sit back and watch everything unfold in this community. But, man... it feels like most people here have already pointed out everything that's wrong, and management seems to be trying to listen.

 

I've been on and off LSRP, but I will always come back simply because it's hard to just walk away. I genuinely believe there's still potential here.

It all starts from the top.

If players and management can't come to an agreement and instead keep going back and forth, this is only destined to vanish eventually. The craziest argument here is, "y'all are entitled" because it seems like certain people don't wanna see the bigger picture. That we aren't in 2013 anymore. Times have changed, and for a server to remain populated, it needs to stay consistent with updates, activity, and events. Other big communities don't have this problem, and they don't call their players "toxic" or "entitled" for wanting the server to grow into something new after a decade of being open. But let's hope that the RAGE server doesn't flop again despite it having to compete against 100+ other english servers that already have established their player bases.
 

23 hours ago, alooshy said:

The phrase "working on" gets thrown around a lot, but we need to be more straightforward about prioritizing certain features. I get that some things are easier to implement than others, but it's been almost seven months since the features I mentioned were added to the roadmap. If prioritizing were on the agenda, it wouldn't take this long.

[VaudeVillain]

Hey staff and players, you both suck!

 

These threads are always the worst, it's full of subjective critiques from players that have no realistic way of being solved as there is nothing concrete to work on. Stuck up staff members not willing to self criticize, former staff members who think they were one of the good ones, banned players just lashing out at the server and people who haven't played in months chiming in with little experience of the server today. Mixed in are a few good critiques and ideas that usually get lost in the endless mess which comes from the groups I mentioned earlier in the thread. I would love to see more players posting suggestions in the suggestions forum and active in things such as faction team public.

 

I love this server but LS-RP's current community is absolutely pitiful from both players and staff. The only thing that will "save" LSRP is community cooperation from players and staff. Currently you have a large section of the playerbase with such a level of hate for the staff team that they are unwilling to work and discuss things in a way that will help to solve the problems they are frustrated about. Tirades, claiming the whole staff team doesn't care or is corrupt, alongside other vague critiques that are essentially just "staff bad," "legal/illegal FM bad" don't do the server much good only stoking flames without even coming up with real suggestions to correct the real issues the server has.  As for the staff team, some of you all need to get your head out of your ass. The server is not perfect and if someone provides suggestions to an area of the server you work on they are not coming for your life's work but are a player who wants to see the server get better. Your whole purpose as staff is to work to improve the server for the player base, listen to them.

 

Nobody is on the same page, what gets lost in the endless back and fourth between players, former staff and current staff about who sucks the most alongside a few  actual good suggestions is that currently there is so many different ideas about what exactly is wrong on the server. I really think LSRP should conduct an end of year survey amongst all players to gain an actual idea of what players consider to be the biggest problems so that moving into the new year there can be a concrete way to move forward instead of subjective garbage. 

Edited December 17, 2024 by VaudeVillain

[Gangbanging Is All I Know]

1 hour ago, VaudeVillain said:

Hey staff and players, you both suck!

 

These threads are always the worst, it's full of subjective critiques from players that have no realistic way of being solved as there is nothing concrete to work on. Stuck up staff members not willing to self criticize, former staff members who think they were one of the good ones, banned players just lashing out at the server and people who haven't played in months chiming in with little experience of the server today. Mixed in are a few good critiques and ideas that usually get lost in the endless mess which comes from the groups I mentioned earlier in the thread. I would love to see more players posting suggestions in the suggestions forum and active in things such as faction team public.

 

I love this server but LS-RP's current community is absolutely pitiful from both players and staff. The only thing that will "save" LSRP is community cooperation from players and staff. Currently you have a large section of the playerbase with such a level of hate for the staff team that they are unwilling to work and discuss things in a way that will help to solve the problems they are frustrated about. Tirades, claiming the whole staff team doesn't care or is corrupt, alongside other vague critiques that are essentially just "staff bad," "legal/illegal FM bad" don't do the server much good only stoking flames without even coming up with real suggestions to correct the real issues the server has.  As for the staff team, some of you all need to get your head out of your ass. The server is not perfect and if someone provides suggestions to an area of the server you work on they are not coming for your life's work but are a player who wants to see the server get better. Your whole purpose as staff is to work to improve the server for the player base, listen to them.

 

Nobody is on the same page, what gets lost in the endless back and fourth between players, former staff and current staff about who sucks the most alongside a few  actual good suggestions is that currently there is so many different ideas about what exactly is wrong on the server. I really think LSRP should conduct an end of year survey amongst all players to gain an actual idea of what players consider to be the biggest problems so that moving into the new year there can be a concrete way to move forward instead of subjective garbage. 

THIS right here is what I've been trying to say but couldn't find the words for.
I've experienced what VaudeVillain said by "if someone provides suggestions to an area of the server you work on they are not coming for your life's work but are a player who wants to see the server get better.", I called out a certain snippet of some mapping that was gonna come out in Jefferson calling it dogshit (cause it really was) and that it looks like something straight out of Ukraine or DayZ (Picture), it did not look like it belonged in Los Santos at all, what I'm met with in the next few minutes was just certain admins and members of the community dickriding eachother about how good they are to eachother, the relentless ignorance by some of the staff members is really fucking funny, they see criticism as an insult instead of actual constructive criticism, they think whatever they put out is the best thing on the planet and nothing else will top it, very terrible attitude.

All of you need to shut the fuck up and stop complaining and instead lay out ways on how the server and the community as a WHOLE can fix itself, we don't care about what he/she/it/they did to you or how it affected the community, the real question is WHAT are you gonna do about it? Whine? Complain like it's gonna magically fix the fucking server?

"WAHHHH X did this to me so now the server's ass! Garbage! Trash!"

I tuned into here expecting more fingerpointing but when I saw VaudeVillain's post it's literally spot on with how this discussion is going.

Edited December 17, 2024 by Gangbanging Is All I Know

[Cake]

1 hour ago, Gangbanging Is All I Know said:

THIS right here is what I've been trying to say but couldn't find the words for.
I've experienced what VaudeVillain said by "if someone provides suggestions to an area of the server you work on they are not coming for your life's work but are a player who wants to see the server get better.", I called out a certain snippet of some mapping that was gonna come out in Jefferson calling it dogshit (cause it really was) and that it looks like something straight out of Ukraine or DayZ (Picture), it did not look like it belonged in Los Santos at all, what I'm met with in the next few minutes was just certain admins and members of the community dickriding eachother about how good they are to eachother, the relentless ignorance by some of the staff members is really fucking funny, they see criticism as an insult instead of actual constructive criticism, they think whatever they put out is the best thing on the planet and nothing else will top it, very terrible attitude.

All of you need to shut the fuck up and stop complaining and instead lay out ways on how the server and the community as a WHOLE can fix itself, we don't care about what he/she/it/they did to you or how it affected the community, the real question is WHAT are you gonna do about it? Whine? Complain like it's gonna magically fix the fucking server?

"WAHHHH X did this to me so now the server's ass! Garbage! Trash!"

I tuned into here expecting more fingerpointing but when I saw VaudeVillain's post it's literally spot on with how this discussion is going.

You were a dick about your opinion.

[Salazaros]

1 hour ago, Gangbanging Is All I Know said:

the relentless ignorance by some of the staff members is really fucking funny, they see criticism as an insult instead of actual constructive criticism, they think whatever they put out is the best thing on the planet and nothing else will top it, very terrible attitude.

All of you need to shut the fuck up and stop complaining and instead lay out ways on how the server and the community as a WHOLE can fix itself, we don't care about what he/she/it/they did to you or how it affected the community, the real question is WHAT are you gonna do about it? Whine? Complain like it's gonna magically fix the fucking server?

"WAHHHH X did this to me so now the server's ass! Garbage! Trash!"

I tuned into here expecting more fingerpointing but when I saw VaudeVillain's post it's literally spot on with how this discussion is going.

 

2 hours ago, VaudeVillain said:

Hey staff and players, you both suck!

 

These threads are always the worst, it's full of subjective critiques from players that have no realistic way of being solved as there is nothing concrete to work on. Stuck up staff members not willing to self criticize, former staff members who think they were one of the good ones, banned players just lashing out at the server and people who haven't played in months chiming in with little experience of the server today. Mixed in are a few good critiques and ideas that usually get lost in the endless mess which comes from the groups I mentioned earlier in the thread. I would love to see more players posting suggestions in the suggestions forum and active in things such as faction team public.

 

I love this server but LS-RP's current community is absolutely pitiful from both players and staff. The only thing that will "save" LSRP is community cooperation from players and staff. Currently you have a large section of the playerbase with such a level of hate for the staff team that they are unwilling to work and discuss things in a way that will help to solve the problems they are frustrated about. Tirades, claiming the whole staff team doesn't care or is corrupt, alongside other vague critiques that are essentially just "staff bad," "legal/illegal FM bad" don't do the server much good only stoking flames without even coming up with real suggestions to correct the real issues the server has.  As for the staff team, some of you all need to get your head out of your ass. The server is not perfect and if someone provides suggestions to an area of the server you work on they are not coming for your life's work but are a player who wants to see the server get better. Your whole purpose as staff is to work to improve the server for the player base, listen to them.

 

Nobody is on the same page, what gets lost in the endless back and fourth between players, former staff and current staff about who sucks the most alongside a few  actual good suggestions is that currently there is so many different ideas about what exactly is wrong on the server. I really think LSRP should conduct an end of year survey amongst all players to gain an actual idea of what players consider to be the biggest problems so that moving into the new year there can be a concrete way to move forward instead of subjective garbage. 

Couldn't have said it better!
7-9 pages of this thread are filled with back-and-forth bullshit arguments about who is right and who is wrong, instead of offering constructive criticism on the actual topics. That's why this shit is pointless when people can't take direct criticism towards themself.

Edited December 17, 2024 by Salazaros

[Cashew]

For the people going at @Cake's throat you have no idea whatsoever the amount of work and effort she put into LSRP development in the short time she was back. Claims about open source scripts being used are absolutely ludicrous too. We've sat in calls together for hours with screens shared, writing completely new scripts from fresh files. Cake's one of the most talented developers I've ever met and had the pleasure of working with.

 

For the "durrr we didnt ask for the train we want a forensics script", yes, I agree, the forensics script would be MUCH better than the train, but the train took one evening to implement. The forensics script will take considerably longer, especially now that the main person working on it has resigned (not that I blame him).

 

People genuinely want the world and it's impossible to deliver. When I changed the taxi license exam someone literally messaged me and asked why I was wasting time when I could be working on a drug update. Mate, it took 15 mins to do the taxi update and it improved it considerably. People just don't understand.

 

I'm not going to leak internal dev chat stuff or whatever, but just to put it in perspective for those who don't understand, we have a roadmap, yes, but most of the features on there are assigned to a specific developer. I and others have offered to help with different things, but were told no. I wrote a simple update to be able to /transfer from anywhere (using a banking app on your phone to wire someone money) and my pull request got closed because "we'll include that with the phone update". I never understood this myself but that's the way it goes. Not flaming anyone here or throwing shade, just opening eyes.

 

Regarding illegal updates and stuff, here's some text from back in October when Spectre (and some others in IFC) stonewalled my company enhancements update. I made a group chat to discuss it because I was adamant that the legal/company RPers were getting something since the script hadn't been touched since release. We offered COUNLTESS times to work on ANY update they wanted for the illegal side, to simply not get a proper answer and be told there's a FT Dev board with Spectre himself said is dead. What use is that to anyone?

 

 

 

 

If you guys knew the work she's put in for 14.0 you'd stfu and say thank you. Most of the features are for illegal RPers.

 

[Gangbanging Is All I Know]

1 hour ago, Cake said:

You were a dick about your opinion.

Cool that's just how I feel about it, it looks dogshit, but what about the other two people who were criticizing your work in a nice way? Are they also a dick? 
You had Bandemic and another person whose messages have been deleted who gave you an entire paragraph on why the mapping looks dogshit:


You sat there and proceeded to try and argue with a person from LA, born and raised in LA, hell his whole life he's been in LA about how the mapping actually looks like something from LA IRL.
You sat there and called him emotional, that he's raging.
I said it looks dogshit cause that's how I felt it looked like, I'm not sugarcoating anything and never will, too bad if you think my opinion is harsh.
I could not care about 14.0 and what it brings, good for Cake and the illegal roleplay community, I'm over here bringing up the fact that some staff members do not take kindly to criticism and would rather respond in a hostile matter instead of actually tackling the issue of why certain people do not like it.
Just cause I make a few good mods does that give me the authorization to argue with people about how my mapping looks perfect 24/7? No.
I'm done posting on this thread as it seems like I hit the wrong spot for certain people here.
 

Edited December 17, 2024 by Gangbanging Is All I Know

[Klag]

I have seen the amount of work and dedication Cake has put into the server and I agree with Cashew, people should thank her. Like her or not, if everyone dedicated half the time she did to scripting in their respective areas or IG role-playing, we wouldn't be having discussions like these. 

 

I've said this a few times and I will say it again. The server’s issues have nothing to do with new scripts.

 

Most people can’t develop characters properly, can’t do passive RP, can’t create RP for others or themselves, can’t take a L and sometimes are not even bothered to get IG at all. Shit, some of these people can't even be decent human beings to others. And yet they feel entitled to have a dedicated team and have everything handed to them in silver plate. 

This is what REALLY needs to change.

 

The only script you really need to have fun is /me and /do. Everything else is a bonus.

 

 

Edited December 17, 2024 by Klag