Can we bring back the old playerbase count?

[Flimerus]

16 minutes ago, Cake said:

Biggest bullshit in this thread, not gonna lie.

 

Lots of entitled and demanding people in here spewing bullshit lol

Not entirely; discussions regarding planting weed; drug addiction and drug tolerance began back in June and KUnderwood was having plenty of momentum surrounding it; once he left almost all development surrounding IFM asking for features seemingly fell dead in the water. 
 

Supposedly Michael was working on getting those drug addiction scripts in. But yeah. It’s now December. This is why I was rather always skeptic around priorities. But understanding developers will only want to code something they 

 

A) are motivated by 

B) have the knowledge to actually develop it with 

C) have a clear and effective plan/solution to develop 

 

 

so I think your idea that it’s all bullshit seems like a bit of a kick and scream approach as apposed to dissecting where the sentiment has come from. 

Edited December 16, 2024 by Flimerus

[Flimerus]

6 minutes ago, Cake said:

This is funny coming from you, who complained and demanded feature after feature; you can't even argue you didn't demand more after more. You're an entitled one.

 

You said it yourself on Discord, you must demand more after more.

 

You even complained that Lenny the train was added because "no one was asking for that!!" when in fact it was added because it was VOTED for.

 

Maaaan 🛌

 

 

I never complained about features, just the prioritiation of said features; The stuff that was added was very good and the server is thankful for them. But it still doesn't mean that the features that were added were the ones that where needed. I think it's very rude to say "You're an entitled one". When in reality, I couldn't be further away from entitled; I've offered support, solutions and identified problems with what was going on within the community;  and I'm met with responses like these which ooze out toxic anger for absolutely no reason whatsover. Yes. I've criticized features, but not because of what they do, but because of the timing of the implementation; when the illegal side is struggling (the literal core of the server, which arguably attracts 80% of players) and hasn't had a critical infrastucture update since relaunch (apart from one change to strength). I think it's fair to say the process should shifted to prioritising features properly. 

When I said "I must demand more!" or whatever in discord, it was a clear hint of sarcasm, not sure if you realised that. 

Yes, I did criticize adding the train, because it doesn't add any gameplay loops for players, if you had an analytic for people using drugs vs people getting on the train, which is going to have a higher player usage count? 

It's simple common sense decisions like this of which I was critical of, I understand you the developer want to make things your passionate about, but when players surrounding the illegal scene where feeling neglected I sought out answers for them and dived into LSRP head first; especially the staff team. 

And what I found was: 

- LFM was making uninformed decisions, and seemingly not making correct directive decisions
- IFM has been neglected of a committed developer since KUnderwood left, and lead admins in general
- The development team haven't committed to proper prioritisation, and there is no system in place for priotising features at all. 

Illegal Roleplay
Although you can argue, it's reliant on creativity, it's also not. The script needs to add value to the drug economy, right now it does not. I keep getting met with responses like; fixing the schemes will solve all our problems, when in reality its features that we're lacking for illegal roleplay, there's only so much that we can physically roleplay for a street gang, one of the core fundamentals that populate the streets of the server and is the beating heart of LSRP. When you drive through Idlewood, it used to have numerous gangs dotted about, now there are mallrats dancing ontop of the stores facing pizza stacks; why? Because the roleplay dried up and the features weren't added, same old repeated story. And again this ties back to poor priotisiation, now when I complain about the train being added, do you realise that the whole point of my argument was to showcase that if the fundamentals and foundational features of illegal roleplay were added then the entire server itself would be in a much better place, but instead we got a train that I'd say at most 15 people were grateful for, instead of the massive uncountable numbers (for me anyway) that would've appreciated additions to drugs, guns, growing weed, etc

 

So back to your point
"You even complained that Lenny the train was added because "no one was asking for that!!" when in fact it was added because it was VOTED for." - Cake, 2024

Do you still believe that this feature was of higher priority over some real core realistically highest priority work that needed to be done?

[Ragontor]

3 minutes ago, Cake said:

Go read how to create an NPC and you'll realize it's no work at all to add. https://sampforum.blast.hk/showthread.php?tid=95034

 

That's the thing. Pawn is not the hardest language to use for a lot of things, compared to trying to dev a FiveM server which has an extensive list of natives to call that never ends lmao. 

[Flimerus]

2 minutes ago, Cake said:

gasp, my attitude is appalling. what's yours then?

 

literally my fucking point, your attitude sucks.

 

How, I've provided in depth perspectives towards the illegal scene, reasoning towards WHY it should be prioritised, and on top of that suggestion after suggestion in SAMP suggestions to aid  that course of action, yet my attitude sucks? What more constructive things can I do to help? Are you delusional or something?

You've sat there,  insulting me, throwing snark remarks, the fact you had to make three seperate posts instead of writing one response shows that you're not logically thinking and getting angry for nothing; with lack of depth responses that are utterly baseless. I'm literally providing reason to my advice and ideas, yet I'm met with responses like this. 

I'm not going to entertain your narcissism anymore.

[Aloosh]

27 minutes ago, Cake said:

You mean the forensics script that Michael was working on that would've made an inventory script super easy to add? Or the phone that Martin is working on? Or the business shifts that would've taken double if not tripple the time to implement as something simple as an NPC driving around in a big circle that took me one evening to add?

 

Damn... prioritization must be it...

 

Go read how to create an NPC and you'll realize it's no work at all to add. https://sampforum.blast.hk/showthread.php?tid=95034

The phrase "working on" gets thrown around a lot, but we need to be more straightforward about prioritizing certain features. I get that some things are easier to implement than others, but it's been almost seven months since the features I mentioned were added to the roadmap. If prioritizing were on the agenda, it wouldn't take this long.

 

Edited December 16, 2024 by alooshy

[Ragontor]

19 minutes ago, alooshy said:

The phrase "working on" gets thrown around a lot, but we need to be more straightforward about prioritizing certain features. I get that some things are easier to implement than others, but it's been almost seven months since the features I mentioned were added to the roadmap. If prioritizing were on the agenda, it wouldn't take this long.

What's funny is there are plenty of scripts (weed growing for example) out in the 'verse that could be used at the very least for inspiration in creating one for LS-RP.

[jack]

Posts going at peoples throats will be removed as its nothing constructive to this post.

 

I gave my final warning when I re-opened this topic, I do not want to close it as I want to have an open forum. If you've nothing to post that isn't going to help in the long run, close your tab or your browser and continue about your day. No one here wants to listen to it.

[Salazaros]

47 minutes ago, alooshy said:

The phrase "working on" gets thrown around a lot, but we need to be more straightforward about prioritizing certain features. I get that some things are easier to implement than others, but it's been almost seven months since the features I mentioned were added to the roadmap. If prioritizing were on the agenda, it wouldn't take this long.

 

At this point, it feels like problems have taken over. MMartin has gone LOA, two admins who've been around for years were banned in just a month, and the fall of some from the staff only began after evidence went public. On top of that, two of the main developers of the SAMP project have resigned. Let's be real, it's looking like a lost cause. But it doesn’t have to be. This community is at the crossroads, and the only way out is for everyone to care as much as the players do right now. We've seen now that players can discuss when things get bad, so why not put that same energy into fixing the bigger issues?

I remember vividly when i asked someone from the admin team a question months ago. ''When will things from the UCP roadmap start getting implemented?'' the admin responded with ''They don't directly follow that roadmap or update it anymore. Because they've started creating their own roadmaps instead.'' So, I'm guessing our votes weren't prioritized, and instead, the developers added what they felt was suitable at the time rather than following the votes. This can still be changed, but I'd recommend those that are trying to make a difference to stop debating endlessly. If management isn't motivated as much as the players about certain things, then none of this will matter in the end.

Edited December 16, 2024 by Salazaros

[Cake]

Time to remove flimerus then lol

[izumi]

To address the main complaints of HOLF (which people are calling LFM), these complaints are because of the current choice of the current Sheriff, previous Sheriff and because I didn't let SD have free reign with Sultans etc. To address Azuko's complaint seeing as it was the first one I saw, the conflict of interest rule he suggested, I spoke to Michael/Jack at the time and they OK'ed the suggetion being closed due to the fact it's a staff suggestion, not a player one and should be suggested in the staff area over the player area. Whilst it does affect players, it's also down to the admin team not fully understanding the rule. He said I was friendly with Iudex and co and the pastebin he posted and quoted question he was asked, he doesn't realise it wasn't myself who asked this question and it was Michael who had made the group PM between people involved in a faction complaint and us (Michael and I) to get a bigger picture and the outcome of the faction report was decided by Michael and I so there wasn't just one single person involved in the outcome. As for him saying I was forced to ban Iudex, again, he's mistaken. It was Jack who had banned Iudex due to the clip circling around so there's no protecting anyone. 

 

Other's currently not happy with HOLF are due to the fact when Iudex was banned, a replacement was picked which wasn't them and the ideas they had weren't heard because the choice had been made already, again, not just one person decided and it was mentioned to the other leads and also Michael and I agreed on the replacement. People weren't happy and said he was inactive etc and weren't even going to give him a chance to prove he's worth being Sheriff and wanted him removed and them placed in the spot, basically. Before Iudex was Sheriff, there were almost no complaints, Orbit had decided Iudex was to replace Brasi because Brasi had a lot of IRL things happening and since then, anyone who had taken the mantle of HOLF before it was absolved by (A)HoOps would of gotten the same amount of hate. Someone in SD said it great to me in DMs "People will always find something to complain about regardless of who you picked". 

 

For the post by Flim, Martin and badhbh was informed of the decision to close the thread so it's not like it was only my decision. Both of them would of had a perfect opportunity to say something should they felt like it was something worth discussing. Flim, you said that you sent me a PM, yes. You also asked if I could join TS and you were told I'm on LOA with a sickness and then proceeded to say "OK since you can't join TS for whatever reason" even though you honestly knew the reason why I wanted a PM instead and why you didn't get a response as I believe I told you in the IFT discord, I was on LOA at the time of reading. You also asked a bunch of questions such as "Are these factions running optimally? Are they supported by the current LFM; have they made steps to improving the game surrounding them?" - All Legal Factions are running optimally, regardless of what you think. They get all the support they need should they ask for it and aren't held back from doing things they want within reason so long as it's not something that'll damage their reptutation/server standards etc. If a legal faction needs anything to improve them, they can request for it. If they believe they need script additions, they can request it, mapping additions/changes? They can request. If they don't request it, we won't be going around just adding things willy nilly based on our opinions of what they need. 

 

Overall, it's honestly so tiring to see people constantly complaining over something such as SD choices when it's not just been a single person decision ever since Orbit left the staff team. People do have geninue concern but it's minor concerns and they believe it's something which has contributed to the decline of the playerbase when it's the community as a whole. Martin, Michael and Cake said it perfectly, no matter what happens in this community that staff do, nothing will be good enough and for people who come on this game in their spare time to try to have fun, the amount of abuse etc people get is highly demotivating for anyone if they aren't getting paid to take the abuse. The only way to possibly bring back the old players is by changing yourself first and stop being toxic, finding anything to complain about and stop being entitled, thinking you deserve something because you asked for it. When LS-RP was made, I doubt people were so entilted back then and it flourished then and every single year, people got more entilted because "I'm known on the server" or "I'm friends with XYZ". Find a group to play with, enjoy your time on the server because you make the community. 

[Flimerus]

33 minutes ago, izumi said:

"Are these factions running optimally? Are they supported by the current LFM; have they made steps to improving the game surrounding them?" - All Legal Factions are running optimally, regardless of what you think. They get all the support they need should they ask for it and aren't held back from doing things they want within reason so long as it's not something that'll damage their reptutation/server standards etc. If a legal faction needs anything to improve them, they can request for it. If they believe they need script additions, they can request it, mapping additions/changes? They can request. If they don't request it, we won't be going around just adding things willy nilly based on our opinions of what they need. 

 

Do you stand by this, honestly, let's look at how active FD is  at the minute; 0 active players 99% of the time in that faction. What actions have you taken to improve the situation there?

Sheriff's Department, yesterday at peak playing hours, there was active pings and requests for people to get in game because they were lacking  numbers to be operational as a functioning legal department, when the week before Iudex getting banned we was executing H-RAWs, an active gang injunction and executing SEB property raids in collaboration with OSSB.

So, by directly investigating the recent changes that SD has had, its quite obvious that a major change has impacted the motivation of the majority who stood to uphold the remaining SD members. Especially when it was near collapse, and with the constant complaints and uproar,  I think it would smart to  consider the actions you've taken and begin to  investigate whether or not your actions have directly improved the server or served as a detriment. 

I don't even want to use  this thread as a question time for you Izumi, but it's at the point where the players who've dedicated unfathomable hours to the game, forums, etc are the ones being left out to dry instead of listening to their concerns and having back and forth dialogues. None of what I say is slander; but mere factual information from the experiences I've had on the server, forums and political areas of LSRP, and I will continue to try and highlight the problems and where I can; provide solutions until it's in a better state. So instead of saying the community is  toxic, consider it a free service when individuals like myself come along and actually question those who are arguably doing all the donators, developers and community members who play a disservice by taking questionable actions and are afraid to break process where common sensee is needed.
  

33 minutes ago, izumi said:

Overall, it's honestly so tiring to see people constantly complaining over something such as SD choices when it's not just been a single person decision ever since Orbit left the staff team. People do have geninue concern but it's minor concerns and they believe it's something which has contributed to the decline of the playerbase when it's the community as a whole. Martin, Michael and Cake said it perfectly, no matter what happens in this community that staff do, nothing will be good enough and for people who come on this game in their spare time to try to have fun, the amount of abuse etc people get is highly demotivating for anyone if they aren't getting paid to take the abuse. The only way to possibly bring back the old players is by changing yourself first and stop being toxic, finding anything to complain about and stop being entitled, thinking you deserve something because you asked for it. When LS-RP was made, I doubt people were so entilted back then and it flourished then and every single year, people got more entilted because "I'm known on the server" or "I'm friends with XYZ". Find a group to play with, enjoy your time on the server because you make the community. 

Did you actually take time  to reflect on what it was the people of the sheriff's department where complaining about? Or instead throw them aside and use the same filler argument that it was the right decision. When the entirety of the current active SD disagreed? lol what?

 

Your current track record for legal  factions is as follows

- A dead FD
- A hacking sheriff
- A inactive sheriff who hadn't logged into the forums for 2 weeks prior to being appointed
   - who hadnt been in game since 8th of November prior to being appointed.

 

As to rub salt in the wound, the current SD is on the brink of what is arguably collapse, so you see my argument? The pattern is  clear, and my thread relating to voting in a leader for LFM removes the bias entirely, as the community decides the leader, it's a no brainer.

Edited December 16, 2024 by Flimerus

[izumi]

I'm sorry but my track record for legal factions? The Fire Department has had their recruitment open for over a month now and has had very little interest. We've had a total of 7 applicants since October. If you've been around LS-RP for long enough, you should know that the FD is a niché faction which not a lot of people are interested in. Faction Leadership has tried every single method over the years to improve activity & if people aren't wanting to log in-game, what do you want us to do about FD exactly? Hell, I've offered my own money in terms of a gift-card for the most active faction member this month as a Christmas giveaway. I've also been FD leadership for a few years now and I've been in FD through probably 5-6 leadership changes from 2017/8 from when Nick Apps was leadership to Codsworth, Reset and Genny. Nothing ever helped activity. Ever since all legal factions went from non-realistic to realistic, faction numbers for FD has dropped drastically. Ever since 2018 it was dropping.

 

A hacking sheriff? Do you think we knew he was hacking at the time of his appointment? We don't check people's games so the point is awfully silly, not only that, Orbit had promoted Iudex to sheriff so to blame that on me is not being factual as you said so I won't be taking claim for that. An inactive sheriff who didn't have internet access till his appointment and his activity is being monitored as said to someone else, which I believe you could of possibly been informed of, if not then now you know. 

[Flimerus]

15 minutes ago, izumi said:

I'm sorry but my track record for legal factions? The Fire Department has had their recruitment open for over a month now and has had very little interest. We've had a total of 7 applicants since October. If you've been around LS-RP for long enough, you should know that the FD is a niché faction which not a lot of people are interested in. Faction Leadership has tried every single method over the years to improve activity & if people aren't wanting to log in-game, what do you want us to do about FD exactly? Hell, I've offered my own money in terms of a gift-card for the most active faction member this month as a Christmas giveaway. I've also been FD leadership for a few years now and I've been in FD through probably 5-6 leadership changes from 2017/8 from when Nick Apps was leadership to Codsworth, Reset and Genny. Nothing ever helped activity. Ever since all legal factions went from non-realistic to realistic, faction numbers for FD has dropped drastically. Ever since 2018 it was dropping.

 

A hacking sheriff? Do you think we knew he was hacking at the time of his appointment? We don't check people's games so the point is awfully silly, not only that, Orbit had promoted Iudex to sheriff so to blame that on me is not being factual as you said so I won't be taking claim for that. An inactive sheriff who didn't have internet access till his appointment and his activity is being monitored as said to someone else, which I believe you could of possibly been informed of, if not then now you know. 

 

 

Okay, we can go back and forth all day; can I rewind back to the reason I posted here originally you have highlighted my point enough and it can only go off topic from here...

My originall reason I posted hrew was to create discussion surrounding revamping LFM such that it's a board/members of voted in members by the community, who can post their application/profile publically to the server for a vote to be cast on from the playerbase who can read and determine the most suitable candidate based on, real life experience, in game experience and a suitable action plan. Still restricted to staff members...

I don't understand why this was a locked thread in the first place, again, trying to provide a solution to a problem that is clearly prevalent. And judging by what you've said here, I still believe that LFM is falling short of the mark, and thats just one problem I can identify with to help bring the playerbase  up.

Edited December 16, 2024 by Flimerus

[DadoJ]

32 minutes ago, Flimerus said:

- A dead FD

 

I swear this is coming from a guy who wants HSIU and SASD back? Mind you own business, get the fact we're in 2024 (soon to be 2025) in your head, maybe you'd have more fun in-game tbh. 

 

The whole FD is dead comes from the fact that we can spend 10 hours in-game and get 2 calls. Even you'd get burnt out and not wanna login. Hit me up when the illegal factions (and sometimes legal btw) stop accepting death cause they can't catch an L, maybe I'd get FD active when they have something to do in-game. 

[Flimerus]

2 minutes ago, DadoJ said:

 

I swear this is coming from a guy who wants HSIU and SASD back? Mind you own business, get the fact we're in 2024 (soon to be 2025) in your head, maybe you'd have more fun in-game tbh. 

 

The whole FD is dead comes from the fact that we can spend 10 hours in-game and get 2 calls. Even you'd get burnt out and not wanna login. Hit me up when the illegal factions (and sometimes legal btw) stop accepting death cause they can't catch an L, maybe I'd get FD active when they have something to do in-game. 

 

God forbid we inject some fun into the server, right? We must portray Los Angeles to the fullest!!! I would argue the server was way more brandable and enjoyable with SASD era.

Jokes aside, LFM can directly improve the situation regarding FD.