A VISION FOR THE FUTURE (PART II): How LSRP can thrive, not just survive

[Flaxxer]

On 12/19/2025 at 8:10 PM, jack said:

 

Just on these points about no one from leadership responding. We want to allow open conversation to happen, the last thread blew up quick and then descended into what it was, didn't give us a real chance to respond properly and spent the time firefighting instead.

 

This ones been open for nearly a day and thankfully hasn't spiralled. I'm currently reading what's been said in this thread and collating a response, so we can converse and be transparent, staff team to the players. Give me a little bit of time and you'll have a response within a few hours.

 

[Kev]

11 minutes ago, Martin_Busato said:

They need  to change this immediately. Why we need more transparency has already been discussed ad nauseum by the dedicated people of this community. 

Don’t expect any staff member who supports rage to give any input.

 

I only hope that leadership will take accountability in their response and not deflect.
 

[Clack]

28 minutes ago, Aloosh said:

They’ve been told not to engage in these types of threads. Instead, they’ve decided to split the community once again, and if you want to voice your concerns, you have to do it internally, within threads that only staff have access to.

 

A very convenient approach to just letting the angry lash out their frustration and move on with their day, hoping that they will grow tired and become careless. That approach is only effective short term.

 

The community has evidently had enough. The absence of staff members sharing their opinions on the matter will result in further trust lost, something that you will hardly be able to get back in the future, whether that's on SA:MP or V.

Edited 3 hours ago by Clack

[Chicken Bargain]

18 hours ago, Pags. said:

 

The blunt truth is all products decline eventually.

 

However, you can stave off decline via:

• Improvement - Faster, cheaper, nicer, easier to use
• Refreshing things - New design, new packaging, new features
• Find new users - Different group or for a new purpose 
• Reposition the server - Change the story about why it matters

What doesn't work:

• Shouting louder and marketing the same product
• Pretending decline isn't happening 

Claiming something is still good because it used to be is a risk. You either fix it properly with a clear deadline, or shut it down and move on. Dragging it out only wastes people's time. 

 

Something that can bind people together is a clear vision. Clearly explain how LS-RP's SAMP future can beat RageMP. If that's not clear, then people won't stay. Either produce a believable roadmap that gives players a real reason to choose here over there, or accept the answer the market has already given and step aside. 

 

I've got nothing but love for this server and community, I hope the management team gather the feedback and figure it out. 

 

 

 

 

 

Also want to quote this post. It makes the most sense to see where we fall in and ways we can attempt to scale up again.
 

Separating the LSRP V and SAMP community entirely almost sounds like a great idea in my head.

 

Restructuring, implementing small updates, incentives for community members to take on responsibilities and roles, repurposing the tester roles, acquiring new developers all just sound motivating. We aren’t trying to reinvent the wheel here, simply just trying to juice the player numbers back up to 120. It is without a doubt achievable given this servers history and tenure on samp.  

[Brigone]

  

On 12/4/2025 at 5:50 PM, Brigone said:

It's amazing how LS-RP has managed to turn the repetition of its own mistakes into a business model. I genuinely hope the developers working on GTA V are either being compensated for their time or simply enjoying themselves, because there is no version of the future where LS-RP survives under its current management. That outcome died years ago. 

The pulse for this management has stopped beating long ago. This was your last chance, and you blew it. LS-RP has effectively become the largest marketing funnel for GTA World. The sad part is that LS-RP has always had the raw potential to dominate the space. The problem has always been, and will always be, the management. Everyone except the management acknowledges this. Some say this openly, others only in private out of fear of being suppressed by the very people responsible for the decline. 

 

[manslaughter]

@Mmartin@badhbh@bobster@jack (badhbh and jack responded here already so I'm only addressing the other 2)

 

@Mmartin You need to leave. So consider your input irrelevant and unnecessary. Thank you for all that you did in your tenure but you're useless and dead weight.

@bobster Care to chime in? 

 

The literal rest of the staff (with a small exception of a few names that I personally know/rp'ed with and are active rn) are useless fat, that should be trimmed down by 75%.

 

 

 

This is the last response I'm going to make here, but Kev and a few others really hit this fucked up nail on the head. It's not feasible. There's no action plan. There's no true leadership.

 

The worst part? This staff doesn't give two fucks about you, the average player with some sort of pride in producing heavy text-based role play, once the foundation of our community. You're a number on the worldwide internet, whom they don't know, therefore can give a shit about the time/effort you are putting into your respective factions. If they did, they wouldn't waste your time and deflect from the problems effecting the server right before our eyes.

 

150 players is honestly doable. But a new leadership ideology will need to be made, and transfer of all of LSRP's assets to someone else so a pivotal rebrand can be attempted will be required. If not, I would honestly urge every player who isn't a GTA V simp to let it go. Just leave the game. They don't deserve you or your time.

Edited 1 hour ago by manslaughter

[gillard]

8 minutes ago, manslaughter said:

@Mmartin@badhbh@bobster@jack (badhbh and jack responded here already so I'm only addressing the other 2)

 

@Mmartin You need to leave. So consider your input irrelevant and unnecessary. Thank you for all that you did in your tenure but you're useless and dead weight.

@bobster Care to chime in? 

 

The literal rest of the staff (with a small exception of a few names that I personally know/rp'ed with and are active rn) are useless fat, that should be trimmed down by 75%.

 

 

 

This is the last response I'm going to make here, but Kev and a few others really hit this fucked up nail on the head. It's not feasible. There's no action plan. There's no true leadership.

 

The worst part? This staff doesn't give two fucks about you, the average player with some sort of pride in producing heavy text-based role play, once the foundation of our community. You're a number on the worldwide internet, whom they don't know, therefore can give a shit about the time/effort you are putting into your respective factions. If they did, they wouldn't waste your time and deflect from the problems effecting the server right before our eyes.

 

150 players is honestly doable. But a new leadership ideology will need to be made, and transfer of all of LSRP's assets to someone else so a pivotal rebrand can be attempted will be required. If not, I would honestly urge every player who isn't a GTA V simp to let it go. Just leave the game. They don't deserve you or your time.

My man, this is thread about "HOW WE CAN MAKE LSRP THRIVE AND NOT SURVIVE" not, "LET's EVALUATE ALL STAFF MEMBERS" You gotta understand one thing. People have their lives outside of a fucking games that are like 10-20 years old. I mean i understand you point and everything, I support the so called /revolution/ but its not the way to do it ma brotha. We have to or find a similar point with staff, a compromise. Or at least understand the actual situation rn. It's not about evaluating player base about their history or things they did here on LSRP. It's about bettering the SERVER AS A WHOLE. And not actually lose it again like years ago... Take this as a constructive criticism. I'm not here to insult anyone, I just want to still have fun here because i grew up with this community. Let's ALL of us take our EGOS apart from this discussion and actually try to find a solution to all of this. Thanks and sorry if i said something wrong.

[manslaughter]

3 minutes ago, gillard said:

My man, this is thread about "HOW WE CAN MAKE LSRP THRIVE AND NOT SURVIVE" not, "LET's EVALUATE ALL STAFF MEMBERS" You gotta understand one thing. People have their lives outside of a fucking games that are like 10-20 years old. I mean i understand you point and everything, I support the so called /revolution/ but its not the way to do it ma brotha. We have to or find a similar point with staff, a compromise. Or at least understand the actual situation rn. It's not about evaluating player base about their history or things they did here on LSRP. It's about bettering the SERVER AS A WHOLE. And not actually lose it again like years ago... Take this as a constructive criticism. I'm not here to insult anyone, I just want to still have fun here because i grew up with this community. Let's ALL of us take our EGOS apart from this discussion and actually try to find a solution to all of this. Thanks and sorry if i said something wrong.

 

I hear you.

 

I'm simply suggesting to trim the fat, and therefore move forward with a rebrand. But with the current state of the community, and the management (or lack thereof), this is slim to none.

Edited 1 hour ago by manslaughter

[gillard]

Just now, manslaughter said:

 

I hear you.

 

I'm simply suggesting we trim the fat, and therefore move forward with a rebrand. But with the current state of the community, and the management (or lack thereof), this is slim to none.

I understand you totally. But you really, really think that tagging mmartin, and other staff members will change the situaiton? Adressing the actual problem is not hard brother. LSRP LACKS IN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. WE are all angry because martin and bobster are this and that(Just an example don't take personally). The actual thing that is bad is that 60% of community lacks in actual understanding of the whole concept of a VIDEO GAME. You don't get to do things that are out of rules just because you are angry, dude, go out and take your angry energy elsewhere. (Generally speaking). 

 

INSTEAD of trying to blame him or him or her or him. Why don't we as COMMUNITY try to fix the problem. (Still saying, this isn't directed to no one. @manslaughter All of this i'm saying generally and i have no such thing as a little hate directed to you or anyone here. I just want LSRP to be better place for me and everyone else playing, because i want to have FUN and not sense of sadness when i join the server)

[gillard]

Imagine this okay. Lower player base on samp, for me a normal thing(Today more people can afford to play RageMP then 5 years ago and thats a FACT) So, having in mind that samp is actually 21 year old game, and no one actually comes back to play it(Just for nostalgia okay?) Its like comparing Counter Strike 1.6 with CS2, what would you play? OFC! CS2 Because its newer, more optimised and popular game.

 

THE THING THAT BOTHERS ME THEN MOST.

 

is that half of the community thinks "LSRP is dying because of staff" Yeah, partially. Still WE all are player base that make this community alive. We do it for fun, we love to RP and to play this game, it's like a escape from reality for me at least. So yeah, my point is. Put your EGO beside and actually turn on your brains if you really want this to THRIVE and not only SURVIVE.

 

Again, i'm sorry for any inconvenience i said. All the things i said were based on MY opinion and my thinking about all of this. In the end, we are here to have fun and create a good community and environment for EVERYONE.

 

Thanks!

 

[DCF]

6 minutes ago, gillard said:

I understand you totally. But you really, really think that tagging mmartin, and other staff members will change the situaiton? Adressing the actual problem is not hard brother. LSRP LACKS IN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. WE are all angry because martin and bobster are this and that(Just an example don't take personally). The actual thing that is bad is that 60% of community lacks in actual understanding of the whole concept of a VIDEO GAME. You don't get to do things that are out of rules just because you are angry, dude, go out and take your angry energy elsewhere. (Generally speaking). 

 

INSTEAD of trying to blame him or him or her or him. Why don't we as COMMUNITY try to fix the problem. (Still saying, this isn't directed to no one. @manslaughter All of this i'm saying generally and i have no such thing as a little hate directed to you or anyone here. I just want LSRP to be better place for me and everyone else playing, because i want to have FUN and not sense of sadness when i join the server)

Because there is no community to begin with, half the community couldn't care less about any of this, and the rest are us who actually engage in this, but will not be heard. Truth be told, you guys need to face it, a change won't happen, it did not happen in 2017, it did not happen in 2021, it won't happen now.

[gillard]

1 minute ago, DCF said:

Because there is no community to begin with, half the community couldn't care less about any of this, and the rest are us who actually engage in this, but will not be heard. Truth be told, you guys need to face it, a change won't happen, it did not happen in 2017, it did not happen in 2021, it won't happen now.

True. But if we don't fight we can all forget about all of this like years ago. Do WE really want it? Or maybe we can try something out?

[Chicken Bargain]

@manslaughter’s got a point. I think a server shutdown as soon as possible is a rather smart move. Why? Well to begin we can really see every staff members individuals role and purpose  on the server. Really analyze who serves a purpose here versus who is in fact dead weight. 
 

There is way more importance to a temporary server shutdown. It will serve as a reality check for everyone. I’d hope at the very least management can create some honest core messaging to the community. I assume the same community members on this thread will be ready to help in any way possible. 
 

Systems are broken, trust is missing and at the core that alone needs to be rebuilt and server shutdown would help everyone focus on that. 
 

Perhaps dividing people up to access player loss and ways to fix that, tweaking our UCP sign up system.
 

I feel like we’ve lost our identity as a heavy text based roleplay server and those people can sit down and rework what our server niche may be. 
 

Staff chaos is a huge fucking flaw and I don’t need to go into further detail but a restructure so beyond necessary. 
 

Finally I think entertaining a marketing team would be huge however that would look and work I think it’s necessary. 
 

This “LSRP vision” lacks a mission statement and with management being absolutely mute, I think it’s time to figure it out at some point. What matters? What doesn’t and what arguements are off topic? 
 

I got a ton more on my mind but beginning here and seeing how the community can get involved would be huge. 

[Michael_Dippolito]

I just want to thank everyone who participated in this discussion and providing a lot of constructive criticism. And another thanks to the staff team for allowing this topic to stay up this long, I know it wasn’t easy but this is extremely necessary. 
 

Let’s give the staff a chance to respond and see where their heads are at with all of this. 

[Grover The Good]

 

  

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There isn't any management to speak of. There hasn't been for years. Being in a management position implies having a vision that goes beyond what's in front of you at this very moment, it means being able to plan for the future, to set objectives and chart a somewhat cohesive strategy to achieve them. As this discussion, and countless others before, prove LS-RP, just like many other GTA RP communities, hasn't had something of the sort for about a decade at this point.

 

Illegal factions wrestle in the metaphorical mud of the forums and tear each other to shreds in private Discord chats, complaining about how bad they have it, but at least there's long-standing concepts such as 38th Street or Valenti who honor the legacy of their predecessors and can carry an years-long narrative. Outside the fort there's no such luxuries, only a vast wasteland of concepts that sit uncared for, despite having been proven to be some of the most entertaining segments of LS-RP through the years, or groups that actively work to forget, rather than remember, without providing anything to replace that heritage.

 

"Civilian" roleplay is an alien concept, gatekept by two or three Weyland-Yutani replicas with interests ranging from entertainment to trucking to private security, all done in the same shallow, boring, unimaginative and trite manner while having absolutely zero impact when it comes to creating roleplay. They just jump from one club opening to the next, from this delivery to the next, from mechanically checking a customer's /licenses to the next, and are all so similar and easily interchangeable that don't provide anything to the server, let alone a developing long-term story that can keep its members engaged and teach new players something about roleplaying captivating characters. The best the civilian scene can get is events like whatever the monstrosity called Wonderland was supposed to be, things that were already embarrassing when they were launched years ago.

 

Government roleplay is all but dead. A faction that should serve, as historically has, as a port of call for newbies to learn the ropes about the server and roleplay in general has been all but forgotten, with legal faction management neglecting the implementation of ideas that can be easily portrayed in-game with minimal efforts such as a Public Works Department in favor of grand-standing, pointless contraptions like the Senate that require knowledgeable and capable players, which are in short supply these days. And even in the remote cases where such contraptions end up working they have been, time and again, either put under the control of a staff member who couldn't care less about roleplaying the Governor or immediately squashed for daring to try and roleplay instead of following the script set by the staff.

 

Law enforcement roleplay is little more than a collection of tired concepts that have been around for literal decades and don't distinguish themselves in the slightest when compared to other communities. It's the same names, the same organizations, the same graphics, and in some cases, even the same people staffing them. Any attempt at diversifying or introducing concepts that, while not an exact 1:1 diorama of the real agencies, would bring more roleplay or more interactions (and thus potentially more players) are almost instantly shot down in the name of "realism" or some other buzzword, and characters are likewise encouraged to be one of the two or three different flavors of LAPD officer/LASD deputy available to select from, with little room for deviation. Meanwhile the in-character history of the faction is relentlessly erased in favor of make-believe stories that not only never happened, but also seek to remove the efforts of those players who contributed to establish them and bring them where they are today (William Baxter was never LSPD Chief, but Michael Houston was).

 

All of this is controlled by very nebulous groups of players with corporate names like Property Management Team, Economy Team, Faction Team, who, in addition to not being really accountable to anyone but the powers that be and operating under some unknown procedures, don't really set a course for the server to follow or come up with strategies to bring about a better experience as much as they respond to crises. And it's mostly because nobody, players and staff alike, gives a damn about anything but their own little slice of the server. Nobody seems to understand, or maybe care, that a formulaic law enforcement faction is inevitably going to ruin the experience for gangs and LCN groups and vice versa, or that the lack of a vibrant "civilian" scene makes the world feel more lifeless and akin to a Cops'n'Robbers server, or that even low-level government roleplay can provide a lot of scenarios for all the other factions to interact with. 

 

If you've seen The Wire, there's a line that should be implemented as the admin's oath of office: 
 

"We're building something here, we're building it from scratch. And all the pieces matter."

 

What caused the fall of LS-RP, for three times in a row, wasn't the lack of scripts, or the outdated graphics, or the absence of this or that rule. It was, very simply, a lack of vision, a refusal to admit mistakes and improve, an indifference for things that don't directly affect the interests of those with decisional power, a stubborn denial of one's own faults followed by apologetic excuse and accusations of conspiracy against the server. It was complacency. And so LS-RP, the server once regarded not as one great place to roleplay at but the great place to roleplay at, fell, not because of its competitors, but because of its own rulers.

 

We all sleep in the bed we make.

The post above is from one year and two months ago, taken directly from @Martin_Busato's original thread.

 

We all truly sleep in the bed we make. And if you sleep long enough on a badly made bed, you're bound to have nightmares.
 

 

Edited 2 minutes ago by Grover The Good