Enforcing CKs

[Dann2000]

On 2/3/2022 at 5:56 AM, bobby3x said:

This is narcans input on CK, wondering if anybody else has something to share about CKs.

- Doing anything that is a lack of respect for your characters life. Even if it's a mistake. I.E - LEO opening up on three individuals with AR's, alone with a service pistol instead of retreating to secure cover.

- Any long term personal beef (not faction related) where killing you was justified. If you bring the consequence solely onto yourself without third party involvement you should face the consequences. Stuff like character to character FB beefs, personal rivalries etc.

- Any faction member to member killings. Most factions enforce this themselves but if not, it would be dumb to take out somebody strategically in your own faction and have them only PK over it.

I agree with this, I think doing stupid stuff without giving any value to your character's life puts you on the risk of getting said character CKed, while it's very situational, I agree with having a NO-FEAR RP rule, being at gun point for example during a robbery with a gun on your forehead and then you just out of nowhere pull a gun and shoot back and die, that's a CK if you ask me.
People also tend to make fodder characters for the sake of baiting cops or joining wars or just messing around with people with nothing to lose, it gets very annoying for everyone involved around them.
 

 

On 2/3/2022 at 3:06 PM, RafaSilva15 said:

I do agree with it but in a different way. In my opinion, when it comes to illegal roleplay, factions already have CK permissions for their members, and about wars and everything else, LS-RP has already created and published the rules of engagement for the server that's about to open. Faction leaders and higher ranks are the ones who must guarantee that all the members are strictly following those rules, specially when it comes to wars. More important than win is the roleplay and what that kind of situation provides, so, with that being said, I think that any faction in the server that puts an OOC win above quality in their IC roleplay only for cool death screenshots shouldn't even be around.

 

Now, about being CKd when a cop goes all rambo in a dangerous situation or being CKd in a gang war, while I agree they should be CKd like real life, I don't agree with everything that brings. What I mean is, let's take the PD example. Upon joining the faction, it takes a whole process like going through interviews, applications, academy, etc etc. Or even illegal factions, such as making your IC way into it, it takes time. It takes dedication, and not everyone has that time available to go through it over and over again every time he gets CKd. It gets boring, it gets exhausting and we all have lifes and responsabilities out of the game. Not everyone is willing to start all over again every time. With that, I think we could put something like, if a police officer gets killed, and he's a sergeant for example, he could actually be CKd but instead of losing everything, he could have the opportunity, if he wishes of course, to namechange and restart his rank in the faction instead of going through everything all over again. Same goes for illegal. Ex: Being an OG in a gang, you get CKd and start again as a associate or someway to join once again. I don't know. And if the faction is in a war, he must stay out of it until it's over.  But all of that is just an idea. You could have some realistic situation without needing to restart all over again. Some of us just want to have some fun.

That's not how it really works around here, people who do dumb stuff in PD and get CKed don't have to go through anything over and over again, what simply happens is their character dies, they namechange and carry on from where they stopped, it's just a learning lesson for them to not do what got them brutally murdered again.

-In conclusion having a forced CK rule puts more value into reconsidering your decisions before doing stupid stuff.
 

[holaa.]

4 minutes ago, Dann2000 said:

I agree with this, I think doing stupid stuff without giving any value to your character's life puts you on the risk of getting said character CKed, while it's very situational, I agree with having a NO-FEAR RP rule, being at gun point for example during a robbery with a gun on your forehead and then you just out of nowhere pull a gun and shoot back and die, that's a CK if you ask me.
People also tend to make fodder characters for the sake of baiting cops or joining wars or just messing around with people with nothing to lose, it gets very annoying for everyone involved around them.
 

 

That's not how it really works around here, people who do dumb stuff in PD and get CKed don't have to go through anything over and over again, what simply happens is their character dies, they namechange and carry on from where they stopped, it's just a learning lesson for them to not do what got them brutally murdered again.

-In conclusion having a forced CK rule puts more value into reconsidering your decisions before doing stupid stuff.
 

 

pd/sd on other servers dont start at same place but they don't get kicked out of the faction

[Dann2000]

4 minutes ago, holaa. said:

 

pd/sd on other servers dont start at same place but they don't get kicked out of the faction

fd doesnt i dunno thought its the same haha

[holaa.]

 

 

it just works 

[IdleStacks]

47 minutes ago, holaa. said:

 

 

it just works 

have fun playing there then? tf

 

this is just proof that this shit doesn't actually do anything but get people to spend money on namechanges, or else it wouldn't happen at all

Edited February 5, 2022 by IdleStacks

[holaa.]

18 minutes ago, IdleStacks said:

have fun playing there then? tf

 

this is just proof that this shit doesn't actually do anything but get people to spend money on namechanges, or else it wouldn't happen at all

 

he lost his character, he lost the ability to RP with the people he rp'd with due to terrible IC decisions  ???? 

 

 

[IdleStacks]

6 minutes ago, holaa. said:

 

he lost his character, he lost the ability to RP with the people he rp'd with due to terrible IC decisions  ???? 

 

 

lmfao people who do that shit don't care, they're going to namechange, go right back up their OOC friends and restart the process. I've seen it happen in real time (over VOIP, yes) probably more than 50 times in the years I RPed on LSRP. They're not here for the roleplay, they're here to be on VOIP with their friends while they find thinly veiled excuses to shoot people for sick block wipe compilations on youtube. This has happened as long as there have been RP communities and it will continue to happen, forever.

 

trying to fight shitty rpers by hurting everyone is just fighting a losing battle. They will always be there and it's why ajails and bans were made. LSRP already forced you to CK in these situations IIRC anyways. It just rarely applied because only very rarely are you actually caught in a situation where a CK is truly justified.

Edited February 5, 2022 by IdleStacks

[Redz]

1 hour ago, holaa. said:

 

 

it just works 

You ajail them for 2 hours then CK them, what's the point the player would just not play on that account anymore. You're making it seem like we won't be punishing for subpar RP when the situation arises. But forcing CK on someone is not the smartest thing to do. 

[Dann2000]

2 minutes ago, Redz said:

You ajail them for 2 hours then CK them, what's the point the player would just not play on that account anymore. You're making it seem like we won't be punishing for subpar RP when the situation arises. But forcing CK on someone is not the smartest thing to do. 

Do you mean people are allowed to have more than one account on this server?

[holaa.]

1 minute ago, Redz said:

You ajail them for 2 hours then CK them, what's the point the player would just not play on that account anymore. You're making it seem like we won't be punishing for subpar RP when the situation arises. But forcing CK on someone is not the smartest thing to do. 

 

you ajail them for 2 hours

they get released

they avoid ic consquences and actual jail which goes on their IC record 

PD/SD wasted their time 

the player loses nothing

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Redz]

Just now, holaa. said:

 

you ajail them for 2 hours

they get released

they avoid ic consquences and actual jail which goes on their IC record 

PD/SD wasted their time 

the player loses nothing

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ajail for 2 hours isn't that short honesty to be quiet honest, in most cases what I would usually do is speak to the player in question. See if they think their actions were justified give them a chance to 1) Re-rp properly or 2) see what their mistake was so they can better from it. If it wasn't you will be punished accordingly. I personally have punished players for poor RP because they wanted to avoid IC consequences. You know what happened they got both jailed icly and admin jailed. 

We as server administration try to educate our players when they've done wrong and help them understand how to better themselves rather than just straight out punish them.  So again forcing CKs is probably not the path we want to venture here. 

 

4 minutes ago, Dann2000 said:

Do you mean people are allowed to have more than one account on this server?

Yes. 

[Dann2000]

3 minutes ago, Redz said:

Ajail for 2 hours isn't that short honesty to be quiet honest, in most cases what I would usually do is speak to the player in question. See if they think their actions were justified give them a chance to 1) Re-rp properly or 2) see what their mistake was so they can better from it. If it wasn't you will be punished accordingly. I personally have punished players for poor RP because they wanted to avoid IC consequences. You know what happened they got both jailed icly and admin jailed. 

We as server administration try to educate our players when they've done wrong and help them understand how to better themselves rather than just straight out punish them.  So again forcing CKs is probably not the path we want to venture here. 

 

Yes. 

For clarification, do you mean you can have multiple characters or... multiple accounts?

[Redz]

Just now, Dann2000 said:

For clarification, do you mean you can have multiple characters or... multiple accounts?

Characters. No real point in having more than one UCP account. 

[Dann2000]

Just now, Redz said:

Characters. No real point in having more than one UCP account. 

Thank god I almost died for a second there, thanks!

[Xanakin]

No from me. The way it has been going as it did on SAMP was perfect in my eyes, suicide by cop being rewarded with an ajail and such instead of a CK - wouldn't be doing suicide by cop if they cared about their character in the first place.
Forced CK's should only be a thing in faction wars and when faction leaders greenlight the PK/CK of a faction member with the perms given beforehand.