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Well said. The staff team has been harbouring a bunch of people with that same silly mentality. Whenever multiple staff members voiced their concerns about SA-MP and its current state in staff chat, they’d get gangbanged by the same group of friends over and over again. Nothing constructive, just constantly shitting on you. Let me give you an example (THIS IS FROM MAIN CHAT, DON’T BAN ME). How can you expect a staff member, or those who are here for SA-MP, to stay for the long run when, first, you’ve been neglecting the community, second, you go MIA and show no support, and third, you have people on the team who are constantly bashing the platform. These same people who have been bashing the platform that some of us still love have gone untouched. They haven’t been addressed, and it’s been ongoing for months now. It’s a divide that management has supported because they themselves are part of the neglect we’re experiencing. Stop saying SA:MP is dead when you’re not even trying to fix it. Be part of the solution, or shut your mouth and wait for your so called GTA V server to show up. Edit: Also, can someone tell us why Kev’s reply was removed?

Thank you @Martin_Busato for always staying pure and promoting the best roleplay with yours and your faction's efforts. With respect for you guys I won't troll or derail this thread, I'm only going to speak the truth and if it gets removed again then that's the only answer you need about what intentions management has for LSRP. And respect to @jack for being willing to hear us out. I was going to be a lot more brash with this post until I read you were formulating a response so I will hold off with some things until we see it. I do want to address some critical concerns I have with things I've seen since being staff again and I hope instead of hiding this you will address it in your reply. I speak with the experience of being in multiple generations of staff/IFT so please heed what I am saying. As Aloosh pointed out, most of the staff here are simply hogging their positions and doing nothing for the actual functioning server while waiting for rage which isn't even half way ready to be a playable server. From what we've seen, your only concept of marketing is saying "soonTM" to the 5 people a month who ask when it will come out while taking your sweet time with the development. 2 months ago, while I was staff I had asked in the rage discord channel when they would be executing their "marketing concept" (which was copy/pasted from ChatGPT) and the response I was given was "probably as soon as we are feature ready so there's actual stuff to show". Mind you they had already launched the server once, it flopped, and they've been back at the drawing board for over a year now... And to this day we haven't seen a single rage snippet. Upon being further questioned the dev said "if you'd join the server and help push development forward, you wouldn't need me to answer this question". I'm being very vague because I don't want another forum ban, if you want proof you can message me. I don't know what moral high ground this side of staff thinks they have when they neglect the server with players to "work" on a hypothetical lala land that isn't even half ready. I and many others cannot make any sense of it. What allowed LSRP to stand the test of time was the standard of illegal roleplay it provided compared to every other option, and the truth is that everyone still supporting the rage server is simply too bad at roleplay to do anything meaningful on the SAMP server. They don't know what it's like to spend hours upon hours grinding for official status in a faction surrounded by high-quality players. They don't know what an immersive roleplay scene really looks and feels like. When they get bored of dying to factions on their LEO characters they band together on alts to either create or join sub-par factions such as 38 street. They are bad and have always been bad at roleplay, they care more about updated graphics and gameplay and want their own little space to rub each other off on GTA 5 and get away from all the "elitists" on SAMP and GTAW. At least, this is the vibe that we - the people who have put countless graveyard shifts into LSRP's underworld economy - feel when we see things like this. I would also like the state of our current staff team to be addressed. Tester applications are nothing but a clout competition. Voting consists of nothing apart from "do I know him? Yes/no. Yes, he's in PD and he's so nice! He would be a great addition!". The question of whether these people know how to roleplay is never asked. Most of the dev team intentionally does not work on SAMP for rage, and yet it is nowhere near a standard to compete against GTAW. I think this is a very selfish mentality. You should be developing for the players who are going to populate your server. If you want to serve your own desires then leave our community and develop your own. We as a community have made it clear countless times what we truly want, and are being ignored every day by the development and management team. IFT have put hours of brainstorming into script ideas to accommodate credit card/bank fraud, testing kits, weed growing, etc etc and when it doesn't fall on deaf ears we have Kane ragebaiting us on the forums. These threads are in the IFT board collecting dust for over a year now. I can tell you with 100% confidence that 90% or more of the server was or is currently cheating, myself included. I've burned myself out over the years and have not truly enjoyed roleplaying for a long time. I'm sure I'll be permanently banned for the cheating I did as I've made some of it public and I have no desire to come back. I don't blame anyone who uses any hacks though. When everyone has the unfair advantage it no longer becomes an advantage, it only levels the playing field. There is a certain level of trust that you cannot afford to lose with your community when it comes to consistent fuck-ups, favoritism, and false promises. You lost our trust years ago when you tried to launch V the first time. You lost our trust when nothing in the UCP voting section has been worked on or implemented since it was added, while you remove all donator packages for some overpriced bundle. You're losing our trust again now by allowing the same thing that happened to the PB last year to happen once more. We are human and we are all getting older. We don't have the time to be giving out second chances to groups with terrible track records. I feel like it would take a miracle for you as management (apart from @badhbh, she is the only one that truly did anything meaningful for the server as management/lead admin since relaunch) to recover from that loss of trust, so instead of happy hoping I think its more realistic for us to start saying our goodbyes. If you want to play with the same 20 people on LSRPV then be my guest. I would advise anyone who wants to play GTA 5 roleplay to go to World. I had my fun, met a lot of really cool people, and can say I contributed a lot to the illegal scene with you guys. To give my thoughts on who could fill the position, I always respected Bennemus and how he handled his role while he was a lead admin. He was always extremely transparent and before the post-covid closure he truly tried his best. If he still has it in him he could be the one that potentially turns this around.

They’ve been told not to engage in these types of threads. Instead, they’ve decided to split the community once again, and if you want to voice your concerns, you have to do it internally, within threads that only staff have access to. At least that's what I was told when I was still a Senior Admin. Edit: I honestly don’t know why they’d expect any staff member who’s still passionate about SA:MP to share their concerns internally. I’ve witnessed the behaviour from multiple LSRP V enthusiasts on the staff team. They outnumber you and actually bully you out.

The lack of an adequate anti cheat encourages hacking. The lack of common sense upon reviewing cheater reports encourages hacking. Both of those are Management's fault. Kev's opinion in terms of how easy it is to cheat on this server is pretty much a public secret at this point. I believe we either spoke in the IFT chat or it was during an IFT meeting that I tried to explain how the lack of a good anti cheat is going to lower the playerbase. From what I do remember it was you, @badhbh, who couldn't understand how a poor anti cheat system can negatively affect the playerbase and cause it to shrink. Correct me if I'm wrong. Mind you that LEO factions are also heavily cheating, I have been part of several chases in which we wouldn't be able to find a certain suspect without the usage of nametags. PD/SD's usage of nospread was always accredited to their "training" and "well, that's their job. They are all good shooters" so that as well was nearly impossible to prove on forum reports. The reason for the lack of a decent anti cheat is subjective, my personal opinion is that it is very easy to do however that will mess up the gameplay for certain players as they are not able to operate without the usage of tags, aimbot and nospread. If a community like SOLS can withstand the nametag cheat, I fail to see how LSRP isn't able to combat it. That is, if they ever wanted to.

It's no secret that myself and the rest of my faction's leadership has butted heads with Aloosh numerous times in the past, but I want to take a moment to applaud the honesty he has shown in his contributions to this topic and the previous one. Clearly he is someone who cares about the people and LSRP succeeding. That's precisely the attitude all staff need to embody if there's any hope in turning this ship around. That is real leadership that people can respect.

Just by hiding Kev’s post to make sure there’s nothing too harsh being said about the managment or the server’s state says a lot. Instead of putting that energy into fixing what is clearly broken, we are unfortunately dealing with control issues and fragile egos. If we take the last thread into consideration as well, there is about 12 pages worth of communities’ concern on what is going to happen next. That alone should be enough to show that there is something seriously wrong. Managment, I’m not sure if it’s clear but it is the community that shapes the server, and what you are doing right now is just spreading trust issues across your players. People might be “heard”, but you are still hushing them down, quietly filtering what you want to hear or just outright delete the post, and yet there’s still no plan being show on how things are going to improve. The ship is sinking.

The blunt truth is all products decline eventually. However, you can stave off decline via: Improvement - Faster, cheaper, nicer, easier to use Refreshing things - New design, new packaging, new features Find new users - Different group or for a new purpose Reposition the server - Change the story about why it matters What doesn't work: Shouting louder and marketing the same product Pretending decline isn't happening Claiming something is still good because it used to be is a risk. You either fix it properly with a clear deadline, or shut it down and move on. Dragging it out only wastes people's time. Something that can bind people together is a clear vision. Clearly explain how LS-RP's SAMP future can beat RageMP. If that's not clear, then people won't stay. Either produce a believable roadmap that gives players a real reason to choose here over there, or accept the answer the market has already given and step aside. I've got nothing but love for this server and community, I hope the management team gather the feedback and figure it out.

I just want to thank everyone who participated in this discussion and providing a lot of constructive criticism. And another thanks to the staff team for allowing this topic to stay up this long, I know it wasn’t easy but this is extremely necessary. Let’s give the staff a chance to respond and see where their heads are at with all of this.

Plenty of English servers (albeit not at LSRP standards) are easily hitting the 100-200 player range. We're not asking for 2013 peak PB. We're asking for the bare minimum, 100-150 players made more than enough people comfortable to get on at all hours of the day/night. Old SAMP Every RP servers (and other gamemodes) would average around +130 players, with LSRP +300-1000(?) players. Modern SAMP If you do the bare minimum and tend to community needs, you'll easily slam 100-150 players. While GTA 5 is modern, the only reason SAMP is still thriving is because the newer games lack the charm and mixed simplicity-complexity of GTA SA. It's not about low-end PCs or nostalgia, there's more than enough evidence that there are willing committed players. I like many can't be fucked for V, it's just not the same. If you want to work on LSRP:V, establish a whole separate team and leave this community, establish two teams (V and SAMP), no mixers. Hand off SA's development to whoever is in charge of the new team. The only place you two merge is Staff Management and PR/Marketing. There are a whole bundle of very capable developers out there, even more so in V because of the language support is more openly there. SA-MP developers have came a very long way, an amateur creates amazing things and shares them on Open MP forums or on their silly little YouTube channel. There are ways to deploy servers and integrate test scripts without leaking/wrecking the server itself. Work with all these sparky eyed lil programmers and get something to work out. Stop aiming for monthly outputs and aim for weekly ones. Split the dev team: Master (networking, major server features), Hotfixes/QA, Mapping and a smaller team contributing QOL stuff. Give them different levels of access.

Looks like someone with a brain made it visible again. Thank you. Let's now keep this thread on topic and wait for management to address our concerns. edit: For some reason the part in my post about LSRP not having a functioning anti cheat was removed by an admin. Everyone is aware of this already so could someone please tell me why this was edited out?

The lack of transparency from staff to players and the lack of adequate punishments for cheaters and severe rule breakers are the main reasons for the downfall of LS-RP. This is a concern that me and multiple other dedicated IFT members raised ever since late Q1/early Q2 as we started recognizing the patterns that brought the server down back in 2020-2021. There are multiple threads that I have created back on the legacy forums, I would've gladly shared the link however those forums are currently down. One specific thread was in regards to players remaining unpunished for subpar roleplay (mainly in terms of provoking, robbing, deathmatch, etc), a thread that Martin Busato and Michael Dippolito were also contributing to and I am sure that they remember that. Veteran/experienced roleplayers didn't quit LS-RP because they got old or real life responsibilities took over. They gave up because of the standards of roleplay and this is something that players themselves cannot be blamed for as they are not the ones regulating the standards. The same 25+ year old players who were "tired of RP" are now very active on GTA World and I can assure you it's not because GTA V is much more pleasant to roleplay on - it's about the standard of roleplay. Many have complained about the over the top restrictions that World has however that approach is evidently working. It does get annoying at some point however it's simple quality assurance in terms of the overall standard of the community. You aren't able to speak your mind on LS-RP, let alone accuse certain individuals of ruining the server with their imcompetence as it is considered "bashing". You are also not able to lash our your frustration over things that you believe are absurd as that is also considered "bashing". The usual answer that you get from staff members to any of you "crying" is: "Why are you still playing then?" Once you create a "civil" general discussion like this one, it will inevitably grow into fed up players who have a genuine passion for the server to come and start "talking shit". I will refrain from using my regular approach to these kind of threads as I don't want to see this getting locked. I know they are just waiting for someone like me to pour their heart out and have an excuse to throw this in the bin. Many will ask me as to why I even bother commenting on this thread, considering that I am permanently banned and will most likely never be allowed back in the community. To give you my answer in advance, I truly cared for this community for many years and I wanted to share my two cents. Unfortunately, I don't see a scenario where players can regain the trust of the staff members and continue as if nothing happened. I became a Tester in early November and was basically advised by staff members to accept any incoming applications, as long as they haven't used ChatGPT in their stories. That itself shows how we have allowed literally anyone to join the server with the hopes of increasing the playerbase. We allowed the migration of players coming from low tier roleplay servers to disrupt the roleplay of veterans, leaving their subpar roleplay unpunished because "we need players". That only made experienced roleplayers leave and you were left with the players who can barely string any decent /me or /do without the usage of ChatGPT. TLDR: Management is at fault. No future for LS-RP without transparency and genuine dedication.

A very convenient approach to just letting the angry lash out their frustration and move on with their day, hoping that they will grow tired and become careless. That approach is only effective short term. The community has evidently had enough. The absence of staff members sharing their opinions on the matter will result in further trust lost, something that you will hardly be able to get back in the future, whether that's on SA:MP or V.

They need to change this immediately. Why we need more transparency has already been discussed ad nauseum by the dedicated people of this community.

Dont want neither to invtest too much time responding to this thread but neither troll it. Will drop just few lines. I find it funny how the admins favorite's (legal faction members) were the first to abandon the ship called LSRP and even claim admin positions in other servers when the same admins who did favor them and the elitists groups in the servers pushed away many SERIOUS and good factions (Bastards MC, Bellomo) because it took literally months for a backdoor of a buisness to get added or for a business change of location. And then we got people like clack packer bonekrusher etc, who might have trolled once 1 year ago and broke ROE getting hunted and punished as its their fault the server is declining and they are the ones pushing new players away. Yet these people are dropping their last cents here still, when noone else does. Says a lot about the community love of this server and sadly says a lot about managment point of view. As for people thinking they can compete vs the competition at GTA V, just remind yourself how many LSRP competitors were popping on and off back in the day (even in 2025) and their ending. Its complete nonsense. Focus on SAMP, dont even compare it to GTA V because the experience is different and we dont play SAMP because we cant run V but because SAMP is a different experience all together. FREE THE TURKS FREE BLUEBERRY FREE THE POPE FREE THE RGANG FREE LSRP FREE THE COUSINS

For those who missed it: there was a general discussion topic called "Will LSRP survive?" that went viral yesterday which was flooded with constructive criticism and solutions to improve LSRP. The thread was locked in response to a small minority of people doxxing, leaking staff information and derailing, and someone within the staff team crashed out and merged all of the faction threads into Bellantonio's. This prompted staff to rollback the forums to recover the faction forum, which resulted in the deletion of this topic. I've been told others have tried reposting it only for it to be deleted again but I'll give it another go, although I want to frame the discussion slightly differently to push for a more positive, solution-based discussion. Censorship certainly isn't the answer here and will only serve to shatter any trust left in staff and push the few players left out the door. Please keep this thread up if you know what's best for the server. If people are derailing or breaking rules, deal with those individuals accordingly but the rest of us who wish to see LSRP revived should be allowed to say our piece. Roughly a year ago I posted the first iteration of this topic and it was received quite well by everyone. I was very pleased with the staff response and moderation of the topic, but seeing what happened with the topic yesterday was a reversion to the kind of censorship LSRP had been known for years ago and was deeply disappointing. Linked below is the topic I posted last year which goes into detail about my vision for LSRP and is ripe full of great ideas put forth by the community: A VISION FOR THE FUTURE - Page 15 - General Discussions Archive - Los Santos Roleplay Today, however, my post (initially written as a response to the topic that was deleted yesterday) will focus on what I believe to be the crux of the issue. Given my faction has been staring down the barrel of description threats recently, I don't take posting this lightly but I want LSRP to succeed and believe it needs to be said. I want to start off by acknowledging and thanking the staff members who have helped make LSRP be a great place to roleplay over the years. As a member of this community since 2009, former member of Faction Management, an official faction leader from 2018-2024 and having still represented Valenti in many of our correspondences with Illegal Faction Council beyond that, I’d be remiss not to highlight the vast improvements seen in the Illegal Faction Team in particular compared to past eras where it was marred with incompetence, toxicity, and corruption. Factions today have access to more perks than ever before, official faction selections have been handled sensibly for the most part, and the IFT has generally been more supportive and transparent than ever before. Despite recent disagreements with IFC's handling of my faction, I greatly appreciated the honesty, accountability, insight and consideration shown by @Aloosh, @Rye and @unlawfulact in their responses yesterday and this gave me a renewed sense of confidence that the IFT is still in good hands. I'd also like to thank @badhbh and @Dos Santos for their immense dedication to this server and being a pleasure to deal with during my time as an official faction leader last year. When we brought Valenti back, I urged our people to set the bar low in terms of expectations for LSRP. Not because I didn’t believe in the potential for a major comeback on SAMP, but because the staff, more specifically, the management, had let this community down time and time again, and the return of the SAMP server seemed more like a last-ditch marketing gimmick for LSRPV than anything else. I wanted our people to enjoy this last ride as much as we can without dwelling on the failures of the staff team. Fortunately, despite the recent decline, this SAMP run overall has exceeded my expectations and much of that is thanks to the staff putting forth more of an effort to satisfy the community’s wishes, at least initially. Beyond that, the success affirmed that there is still an appetite and market for SAMP. Unfortunately, that market is shrinking by the day and will vanish if things don’t improve in quick order. I’ve only recently returned to playing after a year-long hiatus so I’m admittedly writing this from a limited perspective, but I’ve kept in the loop and been around long enough to pinpoint what I believe to be the main reason LSRP is on a steep decline: inactivity, complacency and a lack of leadership at the management level. No, this is not the only problem. Yes, I do agree with much of what was said in the discussion yesterday, but many of those problems are symptoms of this primary issue. When @Mmartin and Surreal took over from Damian, I showed my support publicly and still believe it was a much-needed change at the time. Some positive changes were made over the years and when Mmartin was actively contributing, developing and engaging with the community earlier in this run, the community was undoubtedly better for it; I am grateful for his contributions over his many years here. However, being a good leader isn’t just about knowing when to step up but also knowing when to step down when it’s clear you are no longer the person for the job. That time came long ago and it’s time to act on it. Every leader has a shelf life and there's no shame in that but it's abundantly clear a major change is needed at the very top to restore any level of morale and confidence in staff by the community. By no means is this an attack on Mmartin; in fact, my interactions with him both IC and OOC (the times he responded) were always good, but an active and engaged leader is essential for any hope of a revival for LSRP. The community should vote on a new manager and that’s who Mmartin should pass the reins to; doing so would rejuvenate the community, potentially salvage the staff’s reputation, and hopefully bring about a vision on the best path forward. I personally don’t have much faith in LSRPV but if that’s what Mmartin and others want to focus on, fine, but there needs to be a dedicated manager and team for each server, not one divided and dysfunctional team covering both. I don’t mind managers being paid for their efforts and wish LSRP was successful enough financially to pay all of their staff because I am extremely grateful for their contributions, but donations to the SAMP server should go towards the SAMP server and LSRPV donations should go towards LSRPV. Once either project is sustainable and successful enough, only then should managers and/or staff get paid. With foresight and an actual vision, there will be more to go around in the long run, but if the status quo persists, donations will dwindle away to nothing. The LSRP brand exists on SAMP, not on GTAV, and it’s glaringly apparent the SAMP server needs to be more of a priority going forward. LSRP SAMP failing is a marketing disaster for LSRPV. Plenty of good ideas have been presented and I have no doubt that people within the staff team have pushed for many of the improvements we are asking for, but ultimately it starts at the top. Management needs to seek player feedback more via discussions like this, feedback surveys, allowing players to vote on important decisions, etc., then utilize those findings, set out a vision and get everyone pulling on the same rope. The disconnect between staff and players needs to be eradicated and instead we need to be one cohesive team. I know this sounds like a pipedream, but I believe the right leadership can make it happen, at least to some extent. TL;DR: Management needs to step it up for the community, put forth a comprehensive vision that we can all work towards, or step aside for someone who will. LSRP's future depends on it. What's your vision for the future? If you bring forward a problem, do so respectfully and also bring forth a solution. Please keep it clean and let's have a productive discussion that can hopefully help shape a positive future for LSRP.

The post above is from one year and two months ago, taken directly from @Martin_Busato's original thread. We all truly sleep in the bed we make. And if you sleep long enough on a badly made bed, you're bound to have nightmares.

@manslaughter’s got a point. I think a server shutdown as soon as possible is a rather smart move. Why? Well to begin we can really see every staff members individuals role and purpose on the server. Really analyze who serves a purpose here versus who is in fact dead weight. There is way more importance to a temporary server shutdown. It will serve as a reality check for everyone. I’d hope at the very least management can create some honest core messaging to the community. I assume the same community members on this thread will be ready to help in any way possible. Systems are broken, trust is missing and at the core that alone needs to be rebuilt and server shutdown would help everyone focus on that. Perhaps dividing people up to access player loss and ways to fix that, tweaking our UCP sign up system. I feel like we’ve lost our identity as a heavy text based roleplay server and those people can sit down and rework what our server niche may be. Staff chaos is a huge fucking flaw and I don’t need to go into further detail but a restructure so beyond necessary. Finally I think entertaining a marketing team would be huge however that would look and work I think it’s necessary. This “LSRP vision” lacks a mission statement and with management being absolutely mute, I think it’s time to figure it out at some point. What matters? What doesn’t and what arguements are off topic? I got a ton more on my mind but beginning here and seeing how the community can get involved would be huge.

My man, this is thread about "HOW WE CAN MAKE LSRP THRIVE AND NOT SURVIVE" not, "LET's EVALUATE ALL STAFF MEMBERS" You gotta understand one thing. People have their lives outside of a fucking games that are like 10-20 years old. I mean i understand you point and everything, I support the so called /revolution/ but its not the way to do it ma brotha. We have to or find a similar point with staff, a compromise. Or at least understand the actual situation rn. It's not about evaluating player base about their history or things they did here on LSRP. It's about bettering the SERVER AS A WHOLE. And not actually lose it again like years ago... Take this as a constructive criticism. I'm not here to insult anyone, I just want to still have fun here because i grew up with this community. Let's ALL of us take our EGOS apart from this discussion and actually try to find a solution to all of this. Thanks and sorry if i said something wrong.

Between the last thread and this thread, the input from the community is painted clearly. It would be great to have some feedback from staff members. We have had more than enough of these threads accumulate this past year and it is so obvious what the community body would like to see. It doesn’t seem so apparent on the staffs side of things. Would love some answers, these threads get exhausting, we’ve been poking the bear for answers for days now at this point.

I understand management is reviewing the feedback and formulating a response which hopefully includes a gameplan we can all get behind, but where's the input from other staff members? Their absence here is quite alarming. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Voronov is the only staff member who has came forth with an opinion thus far. Yet, on the lost "Will LSRP survive?" topic, there were numerous staff members weighing in. I sure hope they aren't being muzzled because what we need right now is honesty, transparency, and input from players of all kinds so we can get the full picture of the current state of LSRP, what people want to see, and from there chart the best path forward.

Going to miss all of this. EHC x Harlows 💪

Remember making this with the boys as a DTO and turning it into Harlow Bloods, had some good memories here until I left a few months ago but shout-out the day ones❤️ and a shout-out to man like Rush and MrMardy

Good run homies, i remember making this day 1. Came a long way, too bad lsrp fell off

Part of what he said could be viewed as encouraging hacking, so it was hidden. One sentence regarding hacking was removed and the post restored. I've spoken to Kev directly about what exactly was removed, and he agreed that it may have come across incorrectly and we moved on. There was nothing removed about management, or his thoughts on the server/staff or management team.

Long live Massaro.

Mulled over for a bit and figured I'll leave a short comment to clarify on some things as well as express my personal stance. Whatever I say here is purely my own opinion and does not represent the staff team as a collective. As an admin whose focus is primarily on SAMP, I would like to see a healthy coexistence between both servers once RAGE launches. I hope that with enough effort, we can retain players that also prefer playing SAMP and build a community that is self-sustaining, albeit not as populous as before. The proposed idea of separate staff members for each server sounds promising, and is something I myself have forwarded to internal discussions. As for whether we have enough manpower to actually accomplish that remains to be seen. Reading through the well thought-out comments in this thread has given me hope that it might actually be possible, and everyone's input has been tremendously insightful to me. All I have to say about RAGE is that I hope it has a successful launch and that players who are more into V than SA will give it a chance. I've seen the behind-the-scenes work and there's really a lot to look forward to. It has features that I would give anything to have on SAMP but it's not very likely due to technological constraints and the fact that our codebase is older than some players in here. Still, I'm surprised and appreciative of how many people still would like to keep playing in SAMP, and I wish you guys would stop crashing out because in the event that we start to move forward more proactively and the issues are worked on, we ultimately still need roleplayers. And we can't roleplay if you're all banned lol

Imagine this okay. Lower player base on samp, for me a normal thing(Today more people can afford to play RageMP then 5 years ago and thats a FACT) So, having in mind that samp is actually 21 year old game, and no one actually comes back to play it(Just for nostalgia okay?) Its like comparing Counter Strike 1.6 with CS2, what would you play? OFC! CS2 Because its newer, more optimised and popular game. THE THING THAT BOTHERS ME THEN MOST. is that half of the community thinks "LSRP is dying because of staff" Yeah, partially. Still WE all are player base that make this community alive. We do it for fun, we love to RP and to play this game, it's like a escape from reality for me at least. So yeah, my point is. Put your EGO beside and actually turn on your brains if you really want this to THRIVE and not only SURVIVE. Again, i'm sorry for any inconvenience i said. All the things i said were based on MY opinion and my thinking about all of this. In the end, we are here to have fun and create a good community and environment for EVERYONE. Thanks!

I understand you totally. But you really, really think that tagging mmartin, and other staff members will change the situaiton? Adressing the actual problem is not hard brother. LSRP LACKS IN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. WE are all angry because martin and bobster are this and that(Just an example don't take personally). The actual thing that is bad is that 60% of community lacks in actual understanding of the whole concept of a VIDEO GAME. You don't get to do things that are out of rules just because you are angry, dude, go out and take your angry energy elsewhere. (Generally speaking). INSTEAD of trying to blame him or him or her or him. Why don't we as COMMUNITY try to fix the problem. (Still saying, this isn't directed to no one. @manslaughter All of this i'm saying generally and i have no such thing as a little hate directed to you or anyone here. I just want LSRP to be better place for me and everyone else playing, because i want to have FUN and not sense of sadness when i join the server)

I hear you. I'm simply suggesting to trim the fat, and therefore move forward with a rebrand. But with the current state of the community, and the management (or lack thereof), this is slim to none.

@Mmartin@badhbh@bobster@jack (badhbh and jack responded here already so I'm only addressing the other 2) @Mmartin You need to leave. So consider your input irrelevant and unnecessary. Thank you for all that you did in your tenure but you're useless and dead weight. @bobster Care to chime in? The literal rest of the staff (with a small exception of a few names that I personally know/rp'ed with and are active rn) are useless fat, that should be trimmed down by 75%. This is the last response I'm going to make here, but Kev and a few others really hit this fucked up nail on the head. It's not feasible. There's no action plan. There's no true leadership. The worst part? This staff doesn't give two fucks about you, the average player with some sort of pride in producing heavy text-based role play, once the foundation of our community. You're a number on the worldwide internet, whom they don't know, therefore can give a shit about the time/effort you are putting into your respective factions. If they did, they wouldn't waste your time and deflect from the problems effecting the server right before our eyes. 150 players is honestly doable. But a new leadership ideology will need to be made, and transfer of all of LSRP's assets to someone else so a pivotal rebrand can be attempted will be required. If not, I would honestly urge every player who isn't a GTA V simp to let it go. Just leave the game. They don't deserve you or your time.

Also want to quote this post. It makes the most sense to see where we fall in and ways we can attempt to scale up again. Separating the LSRP V and SAMP community entirely almost sounds like a great idea in my head. Restructuring, implementing small updates, incentives for community members to take on responsibilities and roles, repurposing the tester roles, acquiring new developers all just sound motivating. We aren’t trying to reinvent the wheel here, simply just trying to juice the player numbers back up to 120. It is without a doubt achievable given this servers history and tenure on samp.

Don’t expect any staff member who supports rage to give any input. I only hope that leadership will take accountability in their response and not deflect.

Was an absolute blast seeing yall start up and become official. It was fun being both your allies and enemies as EHC. ❤️

I was here at the start when things was just popping off i had a great time, left a few months ago and glad to see what it has become everyone involved did a great job s/o szalvr robby & Co. yall done did a great job. - BTW Redeyes lives.

LSRP still needs this faction ngl. Good run, it was good roleplaying with you guys from the other side!

Been a wonderful run, much love to the Harlows and S/O to whoever was a part of our trip <3

@jack The removal of Kev's comment is a prime example of what's wrong with these type of discussions. I know you personally haven't removed it (I certainly hope so) however that only shows to the rest of the community that you cannot even reason with staff members properly. He gave out valid points and majority of it came from his experience as IFC/Tester. If he is not fit to share his POV, we might as well lock this thread.

Funnily enough my post was hidden. @Martin_Busato you have a very clean heart my brother but the server will not survive with a regime like this. Seems like nothing will ever change.

Yes. And consider expanding roles for trusted members of the community that are elected and chosen by the community to represent them without strings and powers attached beyond that, like administrative powers etc. It is obvious at this point that the current system breeds yes men. Look what happened to Aloosh's comment on the previous thread and the subsequent comment from admin's discord that leaked shortly after. Consider it a court jester role. Somebody needs to spill the truth without feeling compelled to hold back because of some sort administrative role or whatever.

Just on these points about no one from leadership responding. We want to allow open conversation to happen, the last thread blew up quick and then descended into what it was, didn't give us a real chance to respond properly and spent the time firefighting instead. This ones been open for nearly a day and thankfully hasn't spiralled. I'm currently reading what's been said in this thread and collating a response, so we can converse and be transparent, staff team to the players. Give me a little bit of time and you'll have a response within a few hours.

Who's at fault for this current state? The answer is fiddy-fiddy. 50% players fault 50% staffs fault When LSRP reopened the interest was very clearly there. We all wanted one last ride. It wasn't long before the mistakes of the past from both the community as well as staff started to resurface. The golden age of LSRP where everyone shat on everyone was still present. We all collectively brought the server to this state and blaming the staff alone is hypocrisy. The ship hasn't sunk yet and there's no guarantee it's salvageable at this point but it's worth a shot. I agree with Busato that a change at the top is required. However I do not think we should vote for one person to take over the reins and hope for the best. Whenever 1 person ran the entire community, sooner or later we always end up in this exact spot. I think all members of staff should collectively run and decide everything, and the community should vote for the members of staff instead. Further more, I also think we need to completely get rid of admin ranks in order for this to work. I also think all members of staff need to be paid. How little of much it doesn't matter. Simplify the system. Lose having to go on the forums to apply for everything. Allow players to start companies instantly in game. Allow players to instantly lease businesses wherever they want. Helicopter money to anyone creating RP around these 2 systems. Kill LSRP V entirely. The chances of it succeeding are lesser than the chances of SAMP staying alive at this point. World owns GTA V. Come to terms with this reality and try to salvage what remains. Lastly, and most importantly: FUCK KRISK FUCK KIRIL SOKOLOV FREE SHARIF REYNOLDS FREE RIVA FREE ASESINO FREE DAMIANC UP BAHDBH AND RYE FUCK GTA WORLD

LSRP has developed the SAMP server to the point that there's just simply nothing else to do, and even if there was, there's not enough developers for the job. We're about to hit 2026. Let's accept that SAMP is obsolete and there is virtually no point spending resources into it. The SAMP server had its brain death years ago. The heart is beating, people get the illusion that SAMP might survive, but in reality, it died a long time ago. We hate to see the server we spent our childhoods on get closed, but conservatism of something that no longer has interest is just bad. I personally think that the SAMP server should just be allowed to have the peaceful death it rightfully deserves after decades of roleplay and stay as a wonderful memory in our heads instead of a last ditch effort gone wrong. RageMP is the only way to ensure LSRP's survival. This is just simple facts. If anything, LSRP was extremely delayed to make the move to RageMP. GTA5, in every single aspect, is superior to the literal team deathmatch server we had on SAMP since 2024. For more than five years, people have migrated from LSRP to GTAW, because it was just simply the same thing they had in LSRP, but with better scripts, better graphics, and better everything, yet for some reason we're still insisting on trying to bring back SAMP to life. The player counts speak for themselves. Your average Joe is no longer interested in a 20 year old "nostalgia" that is being clowned on by insiders, and outsiders. Being in LSRP used to mean something back in the days. It doesn't mean shit anymore because we just kept trying to revive a corpse that died in 2021 with false hopes and false promises. It's over guys. Just like everything in life, SAMP finally died, whether we like it or not.

I would like to preface this post by first begging administration to let this thread run its course unless it is absolutely derailed to the point of idiocy. Let the discourse flow. I have, embarrassingly, been a part of this server since early 2008. My 12 year old self would ask I be euthanized if he knew I was still roleplaying at my current age. However, I have always had a soft spot for this community and the people that make it up. Roleplay is a hobby that keeps the brain fresh and creative. I am too old to employ ChatGPT in this response. These words come from my beating, probably-autistic heart. I have been around for the entirety of LS-RP's latest return. I watched it start off firing, continue strong and exceed my own expectations of longevity by more than a year. I have had some of the best roleplay of my entire cursed tenure in this iteration. I have now watched, sighing, as it degrades. There is not one single reason or issue to point to, but instead, a host of many. This last run was doomed to fail from Ground Zero. I expected nothing of it, and it continued to defy and surprise me everyday. GTA World has the playerbase, the features, the map - all a roleplayer with something better than an ancient laptop could desire. It, however, lacks LS-RP's innate soul. GTA World is not LS-RP. Do I know how to salvage this server? No. Do I think an aggressive marketing campaign will save it? No. Easy requests have been delayed, scripting has grated down to a standstill, and the only good administrators we have have somehow become a lightning rod for the frustration everyone feels. Do I attribute these issues to a single individual? No, the rot is systemic. Grow up if you're trying to affix blame to a single individual. Is there administration that should have long ago lost their title? Yes. Many of these others however, as aforementioned, are the only ones fighting to make the situation better and breathe life into a sever already gasping for its own. Stop shitting on them. They are the only thing keeping this Titanic-after-iceberg afloat. As we sit here and debate how to save a dying, geriatric body, I see only one way forward. It's bringing that soul back. Countless hours have been spent chasing away factions comprised of some of the best roleplayers I know in an attempt to punish the lowest percentile of their membership. Meanwhile, spree-robbers and moronic behavior runs rampant and untouched. If you want this shit to last, it's time to get in-game and lead by example. Create the change you want to see in this world. Create a community of roleplayers that people want to join. If we wanted to leave and discard this server, we all would have left already and wouldn't waste time typing up a response like this. The manifesto? I can only speak to my specific niche on the server. Center it around roleplay. We have a roster of strong official factions. Concentrate features into their hands. Encourage systems that allow them to connect with unofficial factions and water the plants seeded by these new factions. Create an ecosystem wherein factions are forced to rely on one another to achieve their aims. Narrow the scope of schemes and material distribution and force factions to center their aims into singular ones. X faction should be the kingpin of cocaine, while another should have the means to launder money. A third faction should pioneer good chopshop-based roleplay, while the fourth spends their time researching how to best portray the marijuana grow op they have in their basement in-game. These are limited examples that could easily be implemented. Reflect real life criminality. Encourage interplay between these groups, not because it results in cool screenshots, but instead, because it creates a semblance of necessity in sustaining their own faction’s expansion. The best roleplayers I know have always been encyclopedias of knowledge in their specific lane. Encourage this specialization. Stop policing concepts so harshly when the activity and wherewithal is not there to sustain or even acknowledge their approval. Let people cook. The second order of importance is clarity. Too many discussions occur behind closed doors. As a member of IFT, my ilk and myself are guilty of this. Expose everything to the soul of this community - the players. Act on their suggestions when good immediately, and offer insight as how to improve upon ideas when they're bad or otherwise lacking. The administration should not be a separate body from the players overseeing them, but instead, a sounding board for the players they are representing. Make it political. There should be no tenure for administrators that aren't enacting the goals of the general populace. Administrators should not be private police, but the speaking output for those they represent. To stifle discussion is to make your own job irrelevant. Unless blatant bullshit is happening, let everyone say their piece in the agora that is this server. Lastly, and most importantly: FUCK KRISK FUCK KIRIL SOKOLOV FREE SHARIF REYNOLDS FREE RIVA FREE ASESINO FREE DAMIANC UP BAHDBH AND RYE FUCK GTA V We can all watch this server die a slow, awkward death or we can take steps to be the change we wish to see in it. For many of us, this is our last chance at roleplaying and comprising membership of the server we want to see. Clown on this post to your heart's content. I have searched all of my empty pockets and cannot find a fuck to give.

Who the TURKS will block wipe now ... RIP respect for the OG's who started this

lets be real the players and staff that made lsrp what it was back then are long gone. excited for LSRPV guys

This server needs another pandemic.

Sure, we break some balls in here, but I go way back. I think the bottom line is, either roleplay or don't. Admittedly my take doesn't have a lot of nuance to it, as I don't have much experience with the staff and I've only been back on this server for a year, but my history with this place goes as far back as '09. Historically, the staff at large have notoriously been a tyrannical regime who log on to pat each other's backs and make life harder for everybody else, and while they may very well be mostly to blame for the dip in activity, I can't speak to it because I don't involve myself much in these things. The server has always had its peaks and valleys, but I think if we want to save this server, a significant amount comes down to getting in-game and leading by example, we should get to the heart of this thing and address what we're all here to do. Multiple people log onto this forum every day, more than 1,000 people are active on the server's Discord channel as we speak, and yet the server's activity is no where to be seen; barely anything out of RAGE, and yet people still dutifully log on, each week, to see how SAMP is doing. @shotgun shawty I agree with most of the things you said, but this is pretty reductionist. The same could be said for any crime-based roleplay server, but interest has waned for you specifically. There's still people out there more than capable and willing to find new, original takes on that kind of roleplay, so if it isn't your cup of tea now, then fair enough. The game being old has nothing to do with it either, there are a lot of players who enjoy the novelty of it and prefer how its graphics and art style lend more toward the imagination.