A VISION FOR THE FUTURE (PART II): How LSRP can thrive, not just survive

[pelaja]

Question for OP; who would be the better managers that community could vote for?

 

@Martin_Busato

Edited 14 hours ago by pelaja

[Howard1]

The main thing y’all need to understand is that GTA SA is a dead game. Kids nowadays don't run home from school to hop on LSRP and roleplay. A lot of you are stuck in the past, remembering when we used to rush out of class to play SAMP. Well times have changed kids today do that but for games like Fortnite.

 

Let the nostalgia go. Open your arms to something better RAGEMP is the future!

 

 

[onenightinshanghai]

I'm trying to spit some facts here and I genuinely hope I won't get banned for what I'm going to say. And I still believe that honest advice is hard to hear but beneficial; good medicine tastes bitter but cures the disease, and the reason why I type this out cause I love this community. I'm sure we, the people who posting shit under the thread do to cause we could've just watched it dying slowly without giving two fucks. 

 

The current management team is composed of backstabbers who took over the server from our beloved DamianC, back then the admin team genuinely had connections with the players, they really CARED about us and treated us like friends, one hand washes another and both wash the face. Countless funny events, I remember one time one member passed away and the admin team organised a campaign so our community member can be remembered in a special form together, that's how admin team making connections with players instead of taking their donation money without feeding anything back to the server! But later? Things changed upside down. Looking back, we find that every management team has had its share of mistakes, scandals, opacity, and corrupt administrators. Frank Krane N krisk, opaque IFM and the list goes on and on but why we would love to come back to play like it's a recycle? Cause it's all about the people around us, the e friends you made along the way. The script doesn't matter at all, all you need is imagination and be able to think outta the box. Roleplay is basically the same no matter whether you got a sick ass script coming straight from 2050 or the same shit from 2010. [Marijuana 100] and Marijuana - 28.0g (Large) doesn't make no different in game at all. The reason why lsrp kept bringing us back is the nostalgia and the friends with you, also the trust-worthy SAMP server with its undeniable reputation. It has always been the heavy text roleplay based server on SAMP.

 

We also love the old LS-RP cause the old wild wild west style, the community itself gatekept the concept heavily so it fosters you to get better, otherwise you'd get roasted daily. If you can't get better, you might just move on to a whole brand new concept yourself. If you can't adapt the community's toxic enviornment, you can move along too. There were barely any snowflakes on Skype, forum, but nowadays everything changed. You can't talk bad about anyone otherwise a forum ban coming your way. Testers / Admins also losing their ability to justify whether the suggestions are useful or not, they just shut everything down like it's a community country like China / North Korea. It's really bad for the community. Cause it's players made the community, players are the voice.

 

And in the end, I wanna say it's not about the marketing. You wanna promote things on Myspace or Facebook? It's long gone, SA-MP is long gone. Have fun while it lasted as you can, cause once you type in 'LS-RP' on youtube, only deathmatch videos would pop out and it's a bad root. Cause it only attracts DMers. The new generations don't give a single fuck about SA-MP heavy text based roleplay, they all getting attracted by those FiveM voice server, the hardcore heavy text based period has long gone. This time I'm bringing GTA:World up so you can clearly see the difference between two servers, LS-RP got some die hard hardcore roleplayers while GTA:World has become a light roleplay server. This is the trend. I'm afraid LS-RP would end like that way as well. I'm sure we all hitting 25s or 30s, this generation's player base would only decrease. So give it a last shot, mass unban or selectively unban a certain people. We finna beat on the dead horse again, give it a one last go.

 

Also you really think LS-RP:V is a good idea? Come on. We all knew what happened since the last grand openning, it went downfall, we could've hardly hit 50 after the first month. It's not attracting any new players since the old ones always stuck on the GTA:World. Come on management team, do something. We love this community that's why we'd let our voice out. Like I said, we could've walked away without giving a damn but we still chose to speak out. Cause we love this community and we don't wanna see it's dying out.

[jack]

6 hours ago, gstandard23 said:

Unless management participates in these kind of threads, they render useless. Last thread was 8 pages with not a single comment from management (Oh my bad, they had one post saying not to doxx or flame or whatever and then closed it). The vets can toss ideas and reflect until next month but without management actively responding to them, which doesn't seem like they plan on doing, it's pointless.

10 minutes ago, Joaquin_Lara said:

Still not a single response from any upper management between this thread and the last thread. LSRP staff is clearly cooked, empire is dead. 

 

Just on these points about no one from leadership responding. We want to allow open conversation to happen, the last thread blew up quick and then descended into what it was, didn't give us a real chance to respond properly and spent the time firefighting instead.

 

This ones been open for nearly a day and thankfully hasn't spiralled. I'm currently reading what's been said in this thread and collating a response, so we can converse and be transparent, staff team to the players. Give me a little bit of time and you'll have a response within a few hours.

[tradition keeper]

This server needs another pandemic. 

[Martin_Busato]

5 hours ago, pelaja said:

Question for OP; who would be the better managers that community could vote for?

 

@Martin_Busato

Given how far the server has fallen and with many capable people leaving for various reasons over the years, there's no question finding a suitable leader is a tall task. What I would like to see is a proven, respected, experienced leader and roleplayer who brings forth a vision that the community will rally behind; a uniter and strong team-builder who is willing to put the community's interests ahead of their own, meaning compromising their own personal desires for the greater good and reinvesting donation money into improving the server instead of lining their own pockets. They need to be taking the job out of their love for LSRP.

In my mind, it doesn't have to be a current or former administrator because many of the most capable people for this position have never had the desire to climb the staff ranks due to the menial tasks involved and would rather focus on roleplaying, but they may have interest in a monumental position like this where they can focus on big picture solutions that brings life back to LSRP. 

No matter who it is—whether they have prior LSRP staff experience or not—they will have strengths and weaknesses, so they will need to be an effective delegator who can keep the ship moving in the right direction. They certainly don't need to treat it like a full-time job but they do need to be available regularly enough to oversee the operation properly and engage with the community.

I don't know who would be interested but I'm confident an opportunity like this may bring some old legends out of the woodwork. Whoever's track record and proposal best meets this criteria would get my vote.

 

I greatly appreciate the discussion so far and  understand morale is low right now but must say I do question the intentions behind some of the "LSRP SAMP is dead, stop beating a dead horse" type of comments. If that's your opinion, fine, but what are you doing here? I don't think anyone here believes we can return to the golden age of LSRP when it was regularly hitting 500+ players, but we can improve upon the current state of the server and make it a great place to roleplay once again. With the right leadership, vision, and teamwork, we can make a new golden age that looks a little different, albeit on a smaller scale. It is possible, but the negative, defeatist, apathetic mindset I'm seeing in some of these posts doesn't help the cause.

Edited 9 hours ago by Martin_Busato

[DCF]

Why are posts still being removed? If the staff team wants us players to trust them, then you should return the favor by trusting us. This is not the way to go.

Edited 8 hours ago by DCF

[jack]

11 minutes ago, DCF said:

Why are posts still being removed? If the staff team wants us players to trust them, then you should return the favor by trusting us. This is not the way to go.

 

Whatever posts are being deleted / removed do not have any value being in this thread. Time and time again we have said we do not want this thread derailed. One post was trying to relate this on the actions of Napoleon in 1812. It's simply added noise.

[Wiser]

I'll try to mention a few words as an player since 2008.
LSRP has always been the soul of all heavy RP communities. Every other community that was established was under the inspiration of LSRP, by grace and not by merit.

The last playerbase crash was severe for several reasons, in which both management and players played a part. It started with toxicity between the players and the rivalry getting out of hand.

Now for the main point and the rather critical reason, which is the leadership. Where the hell are you Mmartin? The donations died down, and that's not even an interesting topic, but as the symbol of LSRP, you should have been here during these times too. I feel that the current leadership is operating and choosing the community's "settings" according to their own private needs, not to serve the community. Only those close to the plate are chosen and enjoy the benefits.

- These discussions feel like a stuck video to me, and every time there's disappointment with the outcome. I hope this time there will be a significant change that can restore this dismal situation.

Peace out, fays3l #FreeEveryone

[Tsui]

5 minutes ago, Martin_Busato said:

Given how far the server has fallen and with many capable people leaving for various reasons over the years, there's no question finding a suitable leader is a tall task. What I would like to see is a proven, respected, experienced leader and roleplayer who brings forth a vision that the community will rally behind; a uniter and strong team-builder who is willing to put the community's interests ahead of their own, meaning compromising their own personal desires for the greater good when necessary and reinvesting donation money into improving the server instead of lining their own pockets.

In my mind, it doesn't have to be a current or former administrator because many of the most capable people for this position have never had the desire to climb the staff ranks due to the menial tasks involved and would rather focus on roleplaying, but they may have interest in a monumental position like this where they can focus on big picture solutions that brings life back to LSRP. 

No matter who it is—whether they have prior LSRP staff experience or not—they will have strengths and weaknesses, so they will need to be an effective delegator who can keep the ship moving in the right direction. They certainly don't need to treat it like a full-time job but they do need to be available regularly enough to oversee the operation properly and engage with the community.

I don't know who would be interested but I'm confident an opportunity like this may bring some old legends out of the woodwork. Whoever's track record and proposal best meets this criteria would get my vote.

 

I greatly appreciate the discussion so far and  understand morale is low right now but must say I do question the intentions behind some of the "LSRP SAMP is dead, stop beating a dead horse" type of comments. If that's your opinion, fine, but what are you doing here? I don't think anyone here believes we can return to the golden age of LSRP when it was regularly hitting 500+ players, but we can improve upon the current state of the server and make it a great place to roleplay once again. With the right leadership, vision, and teamwork, we can make a new golden age that looks a little different, albeit on a smaller scale. It is possible, but the negative, defeatist, apathetic mindset I'm seeing in some of these posts doesn't help the cause.

 

Yes.

 

And consider expanding roles for trusted members of the community that are elected and chosen by the community to represent them without strings and powers attached beyond that, like administrative powers etc.  It is obvious at this point that the current system breeds yes men.  Look what happened to Aloosh's comment on the previous thread and the subsequent comment from admin's discord that leaked shortly after. Consider it a court jester role. Somebody needs to spill the truth without feeling compelled to hold back because of some sort administrative role or whatever.

 

[Jugers]

Dont want neither to invtest too much time responding to this thread but neither troll it. Will drop just few lines.

 

I find it funny how the admins favorite's (legal faction members) were the first to abandon the ship called LSRP and even claim admin positions in other servers when the same admins who did favor them and the elitists groups in the servers pushed away many SERIOUS and good factions (Bastards MC, Bellomo) because it took literally months for a backdoor of a buisness to get added or for a business change of location. And then we got people like clack packer bonekrusher etc, who might have trolled once 1 year ago and broke ROE getting hunted and punished as its their fault the server is declining and they are the ones pushing new players away. Yet these people are dropping their last cents here still, when noone else does. Says a lot about the community love of this server and sadly says a lot about managment point of view.

 

As for people thinking they can compete vs the competition at GTA V, just remind yourself how many LSRP competitors were popping on and off back in the day (even in 2025) and their ending. Its complete nonsense. Focus on SAMP, dont even compare it to GTA V because the experience is different and we dont play SAMP because we cant run V but because SAMP is a different experience all together.

 

 

FREE THE TURKS

FREE BLUEBERRY

FREE THE POPE

FREE THE RGANG

FREE LSRP

FREE THE COUSINS

[Pags.]

 

The blunt truth is all products decline eventually.

 

However, you can stave off decline via:

• Improvement - Faster, cheaper, nicer, easier to use
• Refreshing things - New design, new packaging, new features
• Find new users - Different group or for a new purpose 
• Reposition the server - Change the story about why it matters

What doesn't work:

• Shouting louder and marketing the same product
• Pretending decline isn't happening 

Claiming something is still good because it used to be is a risk. You either fix it properly with a clear deadline, or shut it down and move on. Dragging it out only wastes people's time. 

 

Something that can bind people together is a clear vision. Clearly explain how LS-RP's SAMP future can beat RageMP. If that's not clear, then people won't stay. Either produce a believable roadmap that gives players a real reason to choose here over there, or accept the answer the market has already given and step aside. 

 

I've got nothing but love for this server and community, I hope the management team gather the feedback and figure it out. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hoch]

20 hours ago, Lannetta said:

Who's at fault for this current state? The answer is fiddy-fiddy.

 

50% players fault

50% staffs fault

 

I agree with this, for one side we can see that most of the old players want exactly what they had in the past and if the present is not exactly like that they just get frustrated and leave and waste a lot of time complaining and making sarcastic comments instead of playing and well some other new players are not very happy with robberies and that kind of shit and also leave the game and well the staff have made some mistakes in the past too. I think it's time to admit that both sides have a problem and the consequences are very evident; the server is empty.

Of course i think the staff can be organized in a different way, maybe with not so many ranks that makes the bureaucracy even worse because some admins can't use some commands to take requests and take some other advices that people usually give on forums. But if players want to help they just have to login and play and make the community grow again instead of looking for excuses and blaming others.

[Kev]

Thank you @Martin_Busato for always staying pure and promoting the best roleplay with yours and your faction's efforts.

 

With respect for you guys I won't troll or derail this thread, I'm only going to speak the truth and if it gets removed again then that's the only answer you need about what intentions management has for LSRP.

 

And respect to @jack for being willing to hear us out. I was going to be a lot more brash with this post until I read you were formulating a response so I will hold off with some things until we see it.

 

I do want to address some critical concerns I have with things I've seen since being staff again and I hope instead of hiding this you will address it in your reply.

 

I speak with the experience of being in multiple generations of staff/IFT so please heed what I am saying.

 

As Aloosh pointed out, most of the staff here are simply hogging their positions and doing nothing for the actual functioning server while waiting for rage which isn't even half way ready to be a playable server. From what we've seen, your only concept of marketing is saying "soonTM" to the 5 people a month who ask when it will come out while taking your sweet time with the development.

 

2 months ago, while I was staff I had asked in the rage discord channel when they would be executing their "marketing concept" (which was copy/pasted from ChatGPT) and the response I was given was "probably as soon as we are feature ready so there's actual stuff to show".

 

Mind you they had already launched the server once, it flopped, and they've been back at the drawing board for over a year now... And to this day we haven't seen a single rage snippet.

 

Upon being further questioned the dev said "if you'd join the server and help push development forward, you wouldn't need me to answer this question".

I'm being very vague because I don't want another forum ban, if you want proof you can message me.

 

I don't know what moral high ground this side of staff thinks they have when they neglect the server with players to "work" on a hypothetical lala land that isn't even half ready. I and many others cannot make any sense of it.

 

What allowed LSRP to stand the test of time was the standard of illegal roleplay it provided compared to every other option, and the truth is that everyone still supporting the rage server is simply too bad at roleplay to do anything meaningful on the SAMP server.

 

They don't know what it's like to spend hours upon hours grinding for official status in a faction surrounded by high-quality players.

 

They don't know what an immersive roleplay scene really looks and feels like.

 

When they get bored of dying to factions on their LEO characters they band together on alts to either create or join sub-par factions such as 38 street.

 

They are bad and have always been bad at roleplay, they care more about updated graphics and gameplay and want their own little space to rub each other off on GTA 5 and get away from all the "elitists" on SAMP and GTAW. At least, this is the vibe that we - the people who have put countless graveyard shifts into LSRP's underworld economy - feel when we see things like this.

 

I would also like the state of our current staff team to be addressed. Tester applications are nothing but a clout competition. Voting consists of nothing apart from "do I know him? Yes/no. Yes, he's in PD and he's so nice! He would be a great addition!". The question of whether these people know how to roleplay is never asked.

 

Most of the dev team intentionally does not work on SAMP for rage, and yet it is nowhere near a standard to compete against GTAW. I think this is a very selfish mentality. You should be developing for the players who are going to populate your server. If you want to serve your own desires then leave our community and develop your own.

 

We as a community have made it clear countless times what we truly want, and are being ignored every day by the development and management team.

 

IFT have put hours of brainstorming into script ideas to accommodate credit card/bank fraud, testing kits, weed growing, etc etc and when it doesn't fall on deaf ears we have Kane ragebaiting us on the forums. These threads are in the IFT board collecting dust for over a year now.

 

We never even had a functioning anti cheat. You can wallhack, aimbot, speedhack, fast exit, nospread, you name it and be completely fine unless you are stupid enough to get caught. 

 

Even GTA Chronicles and SOLS had working anti cheats, they had custom server-side nametags that prevented wallhacking. 

 

I can tell you with 100% confidence that 90% or more of the server was or is currently cheating, myself included. I've burned myself out over the years and have not truly enjoyed roleplaying for a long time. I'm sure I'll be permanently banned for the cheating I did as I've made some of it public and I have no desire to come back. 

 

I don't blame anyone who uses any hacks though. When everyone has the unfair advantage it no longer becomes an advantage, it only levels the playing field.

 

There is a certain level of trust that you cannot afford to lose with your community when it comes to consistent fuck-ups, favoritism, and false promises.

 

You lost our trust years ago when you tried to launch V the first time. 

 

You lost our trust when nothing in the UCP voting section has been worked on or implemented since it was added, while you remove all donator packages for some overpriced bundle.

 

You're losing our trust again now by allowing the same thing that happened to the PB last year to happen once more. We are human and we are all getting older. We don't have the time to be giving out second chances to groups with terrible track records.

 

I feel like it would take a miracle for you as management (apart from @badhbh, she is the only one that truly did anything meaningful for the server as management/lead admin since relaunch) to recover from that loss of trust, so instead of happy hoping I think its more realistic for us to start saying our goodbyes. 

 

If you want to play with the same 20 people on LSRPV then be my guest. I would advise anyone who wants to play GTA 5 roleplay to go to World.

 

I had my fun, met a lot of really cool people, and can say I contributed a lot to the illegal scene with you guys.

 

To give my thoughts on who could fill the position, I always respected Bennemus and how he handled his role while he was a lead admin. He was always extremely transparent and before the post-covid closure he truly tried his best. If he still has it in him he could be the one that potentially turns this around.