A VISION FOR THE FUTURE (PART II): How LSRP can thrive, not just survive

[manslaughter]

I shit on Valenti a lot because it's fun, and troll on here but in all honesty, you done fucked up people

 

The simple fact that you banned almost all of the decent players (there's good factions around, but obviously cannot hold up this server) because of idiotic reasons and as a staff, could not take accountability to the fact that you had a shit management is the problem. And this problem won't change. 

 

When I had my faction running at the start of the SAMP revamp (say what you want about our quality of rp, your thoughts, etc, I don't give fuck. Simply correlating my point in a generic sense) we were actively role playing and contributing. How df does it take the staff team (at the time) 3 OOC months to approve business requests, and then another 2-3 months to even consider our strawmen requests and schemes which were ultimately shot down.

 

This staff team has alienated this community to the point of mediocrity and complete failure. 

 

Wanna see the PB boom and have maybe one small sliver of hope?

1. Unban everyone and begin accepting applications without holding a gun to their heads.

2. Enforce strict rules, and discipline as necessary to ensure a seamless transition of an increased PB.

3. Process any and all applications in no more than a 2 week review period (if as a staff you're overworked, then figure it out. That's literally your position).

4. Drop LSRPV, either ride this shit out to the fullest or focus on 1 thing at a time. You will never be successful managing 1 failing server and trying to develop another failure. This is common sense and the fact that you continue to think it'll work is crazy.

5. Use Reddit, Steam, and Discord for mass advertising. Youtube and all that other shit doesn't work, and is labor intensive. If you make short reels of engaging rp, it'll entice players and bring back old ones.

6. Someone said it, but remove @Mmartin and replace his ass with someone who gives a fuck, and can explain where LSRP's money went all these years. He's dead weight, once you can come to terms with this then can a new kingpin drown the community's thirst for intense role play.

 

I guarantee you if I was unbanned (not that I care to be at this point, but I guess I still give a shit about this community because of nostalgia) I can bring 6-7 players with me. There are other banned players I know who can do the same. It's really not a hard concept.

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by manslaughter

[Lannetta]

Who's at fault for this current state? The answer is fiddy-fiddy.

 

50% players fault

50% staffs fault

 

When LSRP reopened the interest was very clearly there. We all wanted one last ride. It wasn't long before the mistakes of the past from both the community as well as staff started to resurface. The golden age of LSRP where everyone shat on everyone was still present. We all collectively brought the server to this state and blaming the staff alone is hypocrisy.

 

The ship hasn't sunk yet and there's no guarantee it's salvageable at this point but it's worth a shot.

 

I agree with Busato that a change at the top is required. However I do not think we should vote for one person to take over the reins and hope for the best. Whenever 1 person ran the entire community, sooner or later we always end up in this exact spot. I think all members of staff should collectively run and decide everything, and the community should vote for the members of staff instead. Further more, I also think we need to completely get rid of admin ranks in order for this to work. I also think all members of staff need to be paid. How little of much it doesn't matter.

 

Simplify the system. Lose having to go on the forums to apply for everything. Allow players to start companies instantly in game. Allow players to instantly lease businesses wherever they want. Helicopter money to anyone creating RP around these 2 systems.

 

Kill LSRP V entirely. The chances of it succeeding are lesser than the chances of SAMP staying alive at this point. World owns GTA V. Come to terms with this reality and try to salvage what remains.

 

Lastly, and most importantly:
FUCK KRISK
FUCK KIRIL SOKOLOV
FREE SHARIF REYNOLDS
FREE RIVA
FREE ASESINO
FREE DAMIANC
UP BAHDBH AND RYE
FUCK GTA WORLD 

[shotgun shawty]

Did we really think this would be anything like LS-RP "v1"? To the unware eyes this was just a money scheme. What happened to not re-opening LS-RP because rights and permissions were needed? That soon went out the window when the heads saw the crazy blossom of Red County RP. Just weird how LS-RP decided to re open a few months later after Red County after telling the community numerous times that it was never happening and "legally" cannot happen. It was a fun first few months, a refresh back into SAMP roleplay but of course, the dictatorship came as it always did.

 

It's like a red or blue pill scenario, you make a set of people happy and sacrifice the other group and this whole journey has been a blue print of that. An insane amount of favouritism was shown to various groups while the others were basically told to suck it up but that's how its always been so it was really nothing new. We couldn't of expected any sort of great change from Mmartin when his track record consists of going AWOL, leaving issues or development on the back burner and having his pawns to twiddle their fingers and just figure out how to run it. But I will admit you did fool me with the UCP voting system on stuff we want. Fair play, but just goes to show how incapable Mmartin is at keeping his word.

 

If you're wondering on how you can fix this, you can't. Just let it go, the reality is this should've never happened and only did because the potential for money was apparent. The removal of the bronze, silver and gold packages? Making one package a $20 p/m scheme? You cannot tell me money wasn't the motivation here. Overpriced shit. The whole point of the donation system is to support the server. Support what exactly? Support admins giving unfair verdicts? Making staff reports for it to still be denied? Letting the suggestion section pile up and ignoring it? Leading people on and giving false hope? The fall is bitter sweet.

 

The staff team took a change a while back seeing people go and still then it's been a mess. The only high power admin I can speak good about is risen. You can say whatever you want about him but when the server was experiencing the random loss of weapons, this man was the only person to actually look into it and sort it. The others who I won't name couldn't give a fuck. And I messaged all of them and all just ignored me. Now what sort of "lead admin" team is that? When you're put into that position you don't fall back and relax, you're suppose to guide and sort out issues, you have certain permissions over other admin levels specifically to resolve issues and you all choose to do nothing with it? This isn't a virtual celebrity ring, you're nothing special outside of LS-RP, the need to act like you are is laughable. You're admin for a reason, do your job, help the community, stop acting like a bighead. 

 

A mass unban solves nothing. A change in the structure will change nothing. LSRP is nothing more than a hvh server now. The games old, it's more or less a recycling server now. How different can you RP from the last ten years? As a community we've seen every scripted LCN dialog, every Sureno kite stabbing, every Crip and Blood war. It's bland, boring, old and recycled.

Edited 6 hours ago by shotgun shawty

[Clack]

The lack of transparency from staff to players and the lack of adequate punishments for cheaters and severe rule breakers are the main reasons for the downfall of LS-RP.

 

This is a concern that me and multiple other dedicated IFT members raised ever since late Q1/early Q2 as we started recognizing the patterns that brought the server down back in 2020-2021.

 

There are multiple threads that I have created back on the legacy forums, I would've gladly shared the link however those forums are currently down. One specific thread was in regards to players remaining unpunished for subpar roleplay (mainly in terms of provoking, robbing, deathmatch, etc), a thread that Martin Busato and Michael Dippolito were also contributing to and I am sure that they remember that.

 

Veteran/experienced roleplayers didn't quit LS-RP because they got old or real life responsibilities took over. They gave up because of the standards of roleplay and this is something that players themselves cannot be blamed for as they are not the ones regulating the standards. The same 25+ year old players who were "tired of RP" are now very active on GTA World and I can assure you it's not because GTA V is much more pleasant to roleplay on - it's about the standard of roleplay.

 

Many have complained about the over the top restrictions that World has however that approach is evidently working. It does get annoying at some point however it's simple quality assurance in terms of the overall standard of the community.

 

You aren't able to speak your mind on LS-RP, let alone accuse certain individuals of ruining the server with their imcompetence as it is considered "bashing".

 

You are also not able to lash our your frustration over things that you believe are absurd as that is also considered "bashing". The usual answer that you get from staff members to any of you "crying" is: "Why are you still playing then?"

 

Once you create a "civil" general discussion like this one, it will inevitably grow into fed up players who have a genuine passion for the server to come and start "talking shit". I will refrain from using my regular approach to these kind of threads as I don't want to see this getting locked. I know they are just waiting for someone like me to pour their heart out and have an excuse to throw this in the bin.

 

Many will ask me as to why I even bother commenting on this thread, considering that I am permanently banned and will most likely never be allowed back in the community. To give you my answer in advance, I truly cared for this community for many years and I wanted to share my two cents. Unfortunately, I don't see a scenario where players can regain the trust of the staff members and continue as if nothing happened.

 

I became a Tester in early November and was basically advised by staff members to accept any incoming applications, as long as they haven't used ChatGPT in their stories. That itself shows how we have allowed literally anyone to join the server with the hopes of increasing the playerbase. We allowed the migration of players coming from low tier roleplay servers to disrupt the roleplay of veterans, leaving their subpar roleplay unpunished because "we need players". That only made experienced roleplayers leave and you were left with the players who can barely string any decent /me or /do without the usage of ChatGPT.

 

TLDR: Management is at fault. No future for LS-RP without transparency and genuine dedication.

[gstandard23]

Unless management participates in these kind of threads, they render useless. Last thread was 8 pages with not a single comment from management (Oh my bad, they had one post saying not to doxx or flame or whatever and then closed it). The vets can toss ideas and reflect until next month but without management actively responding to them, which doesn't seem like they plan on doing, it's pointless.

[BONEKRUSHER]

Just mass unban everyone already and watch the PB go up what do we have to lose if they break rules just ban again 

[Anasbenatt9]

8 minutes ago, BONEKRUSHER said:

Just mass unban everyone already and watch the PB go up what do we have to lose if they break rules just ban again 

Not happening 

[No-spleen Gene]

Sure, we break some balls in here, but I go way back.

 

 

Personally, I think the bottom line is do people want to roleplay or not? I'll admit, my take doesn't have a lot of nuance to it, as I don't have much experience with the staff and I've only been back on this server for a year, but my history with this place goes as far back as '09. Historically, the staff at large have notoriously been a tyrannical regime who log on to pat each other's backs and make life harder for everybody else, and while they may very well be mostly to blame for the dip in activity, I can't speak to it because I don't involve myself much in these things. The server has had its peaks and valleys, but when one group comes up something dynamite and shows a real passion for what they're doing, then that normally inspires more to follow. I think we have to get to the heart of this thing and address what we're all here to do, which is roleplay. Multiple people log onto this forum every day, more than 1,000 people are active on the server's Discord channel as we speak, and yet the server's activity is no where to be seen; barely anything out of RAGE, and yet people still dutifully log on, each week, to see how SAMP is doing. You do the math.

 

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A mass unban solves nothing. A change in the structure will change nothing. LSRP is nothing more than a hvh server now. The games old, it's more or less a recycling server now. How different can you RP from the last ten years? As a community we've seen every scripted LCN dialog, every Sureno kite stabbing, every Crip and Blood war. It's bland, boring, old and recycled.

 

@shotgun shawty I agree with most of the things you said, but this is pretty reductionist. The same could be said for any crime-based roleplay server, but interest has waned for you specifically. There's still people out there more than capable and willing to find new, original takes on that kind of roleplay, so if it isn't your cup of tea now, then fair enough. The game being old has nothing to do with it either, there are a lot of players who enjoy the novelty of it and prefer how its graphics and art style lend more toward the imagination.

Edited 2 hours ago by No-spleen Gene

[mhrhan]

21 minutes ago, No-spleen Gene said:

The game being old has nothing to do with it either, there are a lot of players who enjoy the novelty of it and prefer how its graphics and art style lend more toward the imagination.

Right now, I'm looking at two servers. One has 339 players at the moment while the other has 13. Can you guess which one's the SAMP server?

 

A certain minority might enjoy the nostalgia of it, but it still doesn't change the situation. Your average Joe does not want to play SAMP when they can do what they did with better graphics and better scripts. 

 

[No-spleen Gene]

17 minutes ago, mhrhan said:

Right now, I'm looking at two servers. One has 339 players at the moment while the other has 13. Can you guess which one's the SAMP server?

 

A certain minority might enjoy the nostalgia of it, but it still doesn't change the situation. Your average Joe does not want to play SAMP when they can do what they did with better graphics and better scripts. 

 

 

I'm not disputing that World is popular, and for good reasons too, but why are you comparing one against the other? SAMP provides a different experience, and one that people still resonate with; however after reading the posts so far in this thread, the majority of these people seem beaten down by the fact that their server's overlords would lazily rather try to cash-in on a GTA V server 12 years into its existence, than invest in their loyal player base and enrich the server. Choose one lane or another, the fact that RAGE is so half baked is a testament to how little Mmartin gives a shit about this community. If I were you, I'd stop duking it on the forum and go and have fun on World where they've been refining the GTA V experience for years, instead of jeopardizing this community of roleplayers.

Edited 1 hour ago by No-spleen Gene

[Surreal666]

1 minute ago, No-spleen Gene said:

 

I'm not disputing that World is popular, and for good reasons too, but why are you comparing one against the other? SAMP provides a different experience, and one that people still resonate with, however after reading the posts so far in this thread, the majority of these people seem beaten down by the fact that their server's overlords would lazily rather try to cash-in on a GTA V server 12 years into its existence, than invest in their loyal player base and enrich the server. Choose one lane or another, the fact that RAGE is so half baked is a testament to how little Mmartin gives a shit about this community. If I were you, I'd stop duking it on the forum and go and have fun on World where they've been refining the GTA V experience for years, instead of jeopardizing this community of roleplayers.

 

How would you have fun on World as an illegal roleplayer when almost every interaction turns into a forum report or a faction report?

[No-spleen Gene]

1 minute ago, Surreal666 said:

 

How would you have fun on World as an illegal roleplayer when almost every interaction turns into a forum report or a faction report?

 

I don't know, that's World's problem.

[mhrhan]

12 minutes ago, No-spleen Gene said:

 

I'm not disputing that World is popular, and for good reasons too, but why are you comparing one against the other? SAMP provides a different experience, and one that people still resonate with; however after reading the posts so far in this thread, the majority of these people seem beaten down by the fact that their server's overlords would lazily rather try to cash-in on a GTA V server 12 years into its existence, than invest in their loyal player base and enrich the server. Choose one lane or another, the fact that RAGE is so half baked is a testament to how little Mmartin gives a shit about this community. If I were you, I'd stop duking it on the forum and go and have fun on World where they've been refining the GTA V experience for years, instead of jeopardizing this community of roleplayers.

 

I'm comparing the two because for some reason, people still think SAMP can be salvaged. No. SAMP cannot be salvaged anymore. It was over a long time ago. If there's 20 people supporting SAMP, there's hundreds anticipating a RageMP release. Kick the dead horse all you want, but it ain't gonna revive.

[DCF]

3 minutes ago, mhrhan said:

 

I'm comparing the two because for some reason, people still think SAMP can be salvaged. No. SAMP cannot be salvaged anymore. It was over a long time ago. If there's 20 people supporting SAMP, there's hundreds anticipating a RageMP release. Kick the dead horse all you want, but it ain't gonna revive.

With all due respect you need to get your head outta your ass with how much you asslick LSRP’s false promises with a server on gta 5, face the truth, GTA World was made by ex-LSRP players who were fed up with all the bullshit the LSRP management had back in 2017. Ask yourself, if the management gives no fucks about their community right now what makes them care about their so called ‘savior’ LSRP V?

[mhrhan]

3 minutes ago, DCF said:

With all due respect you need to get your head outta your ass with how much you asslick LSRP’s false promises with a server on gta 5, face the truth, GTA World was made by ex-LSRP players who were fed up with all the bullshit the LSRP management had back in 2017. Ask yourself, if the management gives no fucks about their community right now what makes them care about their so called ‘savior’ LSRP V?

 

Facts still stand. SAMP has been nothing but a team deathmatch server with some HvH sprinkled around it.