A VISION FOR THE FUTURE

[Brigone]

On 10/27/2024 at 10:26 PM, Michael_Dippolito said:

I think everyone in here needs to call up their barber and get their hairlines fixed. Then come back and discuss. 

 

But I'm bald.

[imu_pertrauka]

I would like to start the post with a positive note - the server is doing pretty good. It's been a long time LS-RP is alive and well and at the top. Although nothing's forever bro. Also ditch the idea that everything is possible. There's really not much you can do in terms of player-base. There's not a lot of new roleplayers and the old ones will stop playing at some point. Not saying it's over - keep playing if it's fun. But people are not coming back (not because LSRP is bad) no matter what updates or what you adjust and the number of new ones coming to play here is pretty low. Marketing will not help because it's a very niche server with niche playerbase. Marketing a SA-MP client server (the game is 20 years old) with strict roleplaying rules? It's practically pointless. Updates? It will not change the fact that you're playing GTA SA. I had fun here and spent a couple of hours - do I see myself doing this forever? Not really. Having a GTA V server will not help. My final thoughts? Have fun playing here while it's still alive because the day is coming 🙂. And I mean this in a positive way. Congratz to ya'all ✌️

[Robert_Trentino]

It’s great to see this conversation still open with so much constructive feedback. Clearly, there’s work to be done if we’re aiming to be an active “serious roleplay” server, whatever that might look like.

 

One thing that really stood out to me, coming back, is how much everyone matters in this game. Every character, every scene, every choice we make shapes the IC environment we’re building together. It’s not about who’s selling the most guns, who’s the richest, or the most feared; it’s about all of us working together to create a fully immersive, engaging city roleplay experience.

 

If we approach the game with this mindset, many of the issues we’re seeing will start to improve. The server will naturally attract more players, and staff will be able to recognize and reward high-quality factions. Those who don’t enjoy realistic roleplay will eventually move on. The best roleplay happens when we respect the time, effort and creativity each player brings to the table; this is not only what sustains the community but also what makes the experience truly rewarding for everyone involved. If you’re looking for a trigger-happy environment or aiming to dominate as the biggest or strongest faction, this might not be the community for you. This is a roleplay community. We’re creating something larger than any one character or faction--a city that feels real because of the unique contributions everyone brings. Without each of us, that world would be incomplete.

 

Our focus should be on raising the quality of our interactions, grounding our characters in realism, and contributing thoughtfully to this shared space. Admin support for this approach can make all the difference.

[MoneybagsCarminati]

I think we should narrow this down in Layman's terms.

 

Roleplay servers are for:  Developing characters.  Taking your time as storyline transpires.  Enjoying passive roleplay and allowing OCCASIONAL conflict to take its natural course without the headache of having to win or lose.

 

And deathmatch servers are for:  Shooting each other.  Winning and losing.

 

Easy conclusion:  Welcome to Los Santos ROLE-PLAY.  Don't like it?  Tough fuckin shit.  Go check out their DM server.  You don't like a specific someone or a specific faction?  Who cares? Invite them to the deathmatching server. Nobody cares.  Your internet reputation will mean nothing once you have actual responsibility on your hands instead of being worried about how many people you killed on a roleplay server.

 

People who cheat on a roleplay server do not understand the assignment.  Deathmatchers do not understand the assignment.  People may accidentally break rules, those people can learn.  And the ones who break the rules purposefully actually deserve to be frowned upon here.  And you absolutely are frowned upon by people who do understand what we're here to do.

 

This is a passtime for people who have actually felt sunlight on their faces, touched grass, and have some life experience they can apply to a realistic setting in a text based world.  Its a passtime for people who enjoy dialog, emotes and activity.  Not people who just want to go buy a gun and go kill 6 people because they don't think the PD are as good of a shot with an M4 as they are on a 20 year old video game.  Some of you just simply need to get a grip on yourselves.

 

 

Learn to love it or go play Call of Duty.  Or singleplayer.  Go round up a couple of Grove Street guys, go clap some Ballers to satisfy your virtual wrath.  🤷‍♂️

[Undefeated In My Section]

I think overall the mentality of people changed drastically after the closure of LSRP back in 2021, people were actually making factions to have fun, it was just a chill and a very different vibe back then.
Some of the factions that exist on this platform currently, some of them came from GTAW which I know is alot more toxic and more tryhard and hardcore, they tend to be more emotionally invested into the server and their character, the more they stay on that server the more their mentality changes, so now you have people with the same mentality, they hop on LSRP and leech that mentality to others.

I've seen people who were geniunely kind people and calm people turn 180 into people who would cry over the littlest shit possible (I'm talking writing paragraphs on paragraphs when they report) when they started taking GTAW seriously, all the exclusivity, the fact that you have to fit in with a certain type of crowd in order to even prosper in some factions is wild and strange.
I've geniunely seen people's lives turn for the worst cause of the fact that they can't seem to differentiate what's reality and what isn't.
People just need to stop attaching themselves to their characters too much else it'll be unhealthy and would cause emotional issues, let go of the OOC ego and all the tryharding and LSRP'll actually become what you guys want the community and environment to be.
If LSRP's really destined to die like some of the people I've seen post on this, then why not spend the remaining lifespan of the server ACTUALLY having fun instead of trying to find a way to boost your ego for a game that's probably older or just as old as you?
At the end of the day, if this entire thread doesn't help with making LSRP better like some people assume it won't, you might aswell enjoy LSRP for what it is before it falls into the same DM era (may-august 2021) where it's just shooting upon shootings upon shootings and no roleplay at all.

Edited November 2 by Undefeated In My Section

[Evolutione]

Game is old
We are old
and the world is left to the young souls.
We grew up on GTA SA and SAMP and kids grow up on GTA V.

We are not the same. 
It's been a good run tho', LSRP brought a lot of fun and good memories and friendships.
 

It's time to let go and move on!

[Kartelboss]

Forget about LSRP V. That shit dead. Focus all your energy and recourses on LSRP SAMP. Many servers out there have had so many updates and we are still so far behind. Even simple mapping updates that would open up new areas for factions to role-play in arent happening. Look at GTA Chronicles for example their map was 10x ahead of ours and this server has been around forever.

 

TLDR; Forget about GTAV RP. Focus all energy on SAMP.

[chronic justice]

7 hours ago, Kartelboss said:

Forget about LSRP V. That shit dead. Focus all your energy and recourses on LSRP SAMP. Many servers out there have had so many updates and we are still so far behind. Even simple mapping updates that would open up new areas for factions to role-play in arent happening. Look at GTA Chronicles for example their map was 10x ahead of ours and this server has been around forever.

 

TLDR; Forget about GTAV RP. Focus all energy on SAMP.

SAMP is dying and GTA:C was something different. Sadly, I think we'll never get something like it again. The maps were amazing there and it's not just the maps. GTA:C had a group of scripters that were incredibly active (At least in hades' times) and I've never seen anything like it; They were developing features daily, optimizing existing scripts, thrived on collaboration. Maybe that's what you get when you find the right people. They made sure that it always stayed fresh and engaging. It even felt like it's something other than SAMP, it was simply a community that stand out, it's a shame that a script with so much potential will go to waste, and it's something that I'm still missing here.

Edited November 2 by chronic justice

[Peter_Genusa]

 

Edited November 4 by Peter_Genusa

[Voronov]

On 11/1/2024 at 5:37 PM, Robert_Trentino said:

It’s great to see this conversation still open with so much constructive feedback. Clearly, there’s work to be done if we’re aiming to be an active “serious roleplay” server, whatever that might look like.

 

One thing that really stood out to me, coming back, is how much everyone matters in this game. Every character, every scene, every choice we make shapes the IC environment we’re building together. It’s not about who’s selling the most guns, who’s the richest, or the most feared; it’s about all of us working together to create a fully immersive, engaging city roleplay experience.

 

If we approach the game with this mindset, many of the issues we’re seeing will start to improve. The server will naturally attract more players, and staff will be able to recognize and reward high-quality factions. Those who don’t enjoy realistic roleplay will eventually move on. The best roleplay happens when we respect the time, effort and creativity each player brings to the table; this is not only what sustains the community but also what makes the experience truly rewarding for everyone involved. If you’re looking for a trigger-happy environment or aiming to dominate as the biggest or strongest faction, this might not be the community for you. This is a roleplay community. We’re creating something larger than any one character or faction--a city that feels real because of the unique contributions everyone brings. Without each of us, that world would be incomplete.

 

Our focus should be on raising the quality of our interactions, grounding our characters in realism, and contributing thoughtfully to this shared space. Admin support for this approach can make all the difference.

 

Trentino hit the crux of the issue here, and also landed the nail on the head.  We are a small server with a dedicated population that is only here for a very, very minute host of reasons. In my case, it is that I am unwilling to run GTA: V and have no interest in moving to another server, nor will I. We are a gasping-breath dying breed, granted, but that doesn't mean we should go out in geriatric fumbling for our oxygen tanks and wondering what went wrong or if we could have salvaged this opportunity. We may not attract the array of new roleplayers that LS-RP used to, but we can lock down the old and those willing to take the plunge into something serious and, in my opinion, wholly awesome.

 

Though our playerbase is low in comparison to past eras, it has cultivated a symbiotic criminal and faction-based ecosystem that I, as a roleplayer, have been chasing for over a decade now. I have been on the same account since LS-RP reopened and have used that time to cultivate IC relationships with a host of factions and independent roleplayers, that encompass the legal and illegal worlds and those that blur the lines between the two. The venture-specific, based-on-criminal-merit-and-modus-operandi archetype is something that has never entered the realm of IC materialization as well as it has right now. I am experiencing some of the best roleplay I've had on the server since 2008 at this exact moment. Each and every character that exists on LS-RP right now serves a purpose, or is working towards doing so. Every niche, no matter how small it may be, is a niche that deserves to be filled. The administration have done a great job of removing trolls that are not working towards this goal. To personify this, I have not been robbed in-game by those that aren't here to roleplay in the manner of past eras in months.

 

To continue to foster this ecosystem, the importance of managing factions is of utmost importance. This does not constitute micromanagement of factions, but instead should consist of supporting factions that present good ideas and good roleplay and, thus, allowing them the space to succeed in their endeavors, or in their failure attempting to do so in-game. The reality of this quagmire is that we need to cater to our current playerbase. We do not need 700 factions, but instead a world where 700 micro-factions exist built off the backing of existing factions and their connections to these factions paving the way to success. There is no good way to encourage players to only join factions instead of creating their own, but it is not necessary, regardless, as it can never be feasibly attained.  The illegal faction base is one of the strongest I've seen to date and I count myself as one of the lucky players to have helped so many long-standing official factions of the past to success, and still, we are looking better than ever in my eyes. Kudos to our current administration on making this a reality. You all deserve more thanks than you will ever receive, but you can count me amongst the utmost thankful in your creating this environment wherein roleplayers like me are able to succeed and develop characters in the manner we have been allowed to by good management.

 

To the rest of you hanging off the fence, asking if you should leave, hop off my nuts and go. Hang from them, because they sag low at my age. Sharif Reynolds said it best. If you're asking if I'm arsed, I'm not, but you're negatively impacting a server that should be allowed to succeed with every factor already existing against it without your comments. We don't need your "dead LS-RP" comments, but instead constructive collaboration on how we can make a run of this server until it can't run any further.  When this server dies, so, too, do a lot of good roleplayers. I have nothing but the utmost confidence in this server and all that it's brought to the table. This era of administration has the whole world before them to be the best I've ever seen and are actively working towards this goal before our very eyes. 

 

    

 

Edited November 5 by Voronov

[Sfaccimma]

3 hours ago, Peter_Genusa said:

 

😂 😂 😂

[tracksuithitman]

Props to those that have been actively advocating for change since the creation of this topic as well as my own (now deleted one). Not one person should feel like they need to conform and are unable to speak about issues; this is a community and therefore all voices deserve to be heard. Without regular members and players there would not be a community to moderate, which is something that some tend to forget.

 

Change is happening to an extent, which is good to see. We have also recently seen Nakahara-Kai close. Joey tried to lay blame at FTC's feet, which was false and unfair of him to do so considering the baseless accusations. FTC (or IFT) did not neglect Nakahara-Kai; the faction was given a second chance despite some questionable reports received and were even given a chance to redeem themselves after activity fell drastically. The closure came after I personally dropped some hard truths to their leadership in a Discord server named "The Coalition". 

 

FTC have been actively trying to push changes these last couple of weeks. I don't want to say what, where, when and how as to avoid leaking staff material (despite not being staff myself), but rest assured things are being done to improve on some flaws.

 

My original topic and post was made with the intention of publicising issues for the community to be aware of and comment on, hoping to create better transparency across the board. I'd be deluded to say that this has happened, but it is what it is.

 

I will likely be banned again, as my appeal to have my forum ban overturned was denied by Mmartin. I personally find this unfair, considering I broke no forum rules, however there's not much that can be done about that. I just wanted to post a company update and also read up on what had been said here since.

 

Love and respect to the real as always.

[Sfaccimma]

Well I think I'll say my piece too now.

I joined LSRP last year, around August-September I think, on the V platform just to take part in Bellomo's new stint. The server fell apart a couple months later but I had already lost interest after 2 weeks. Script was basically non-existent, the administration was also non-existent because no matter what you needed, you had to wait, and wait, and wait.

 

Fast forward to a year later, I get told LSRP decided to relaunch on SAMP, big playerbase and all that. So I thought things might be better here as probably the staff was working behind the scenes for this relaunch and I gave the benefit of the doubt to the terrible run of the V server.

Sadly, nothing has changed at all and it's probably evident that we (our faction) struggle with motivation to even log in. You can simply tell from our page count on our faction thread but we are doing our best to stay on track, given our real life commitments and all. There's only a very few of us coming IG and the rest can't be bothered because even if they log IG every now and then, the place doesn't cut it for them. The mentality and culture of the staff team has not changed since last year on V and some people say it's been like that even before, despite whatever excuse is brought up by the administration/management on this thread. That much I don't know, if I didn't see it I can't comment. So I gotta give it the benefit of the doubt and only comment on what I've seen so far myself.

 

We as a faction have been passed on everything, drug scheme, strawmen scheme, melee scheme, we have a faction complex PENDING from July and when our faction leader confronted them, clearly fed up with the hold up time of 3 months, he's got told by a member of the management to "Get off his high horse". Yet the Nakahara-Kai or other factions got it months ago.

Latest is a forum report I made with solid and incriminating evidence where the admin has to just say "He did fail to RP/He didn't fail to RP" by watching the videos in the evidence....That report is left there, locked, it was posted 13 days ago. On any other community you see reports handled in 3 days top. We've been harassed for months by another faction and it took 3-4 months to take action on that. Now we got passed on a business application as well, and no offence to anyone else who posted their application, Bruce Laterza's was much more well written than others and there was definitely more effort into that one than the others we've seen. And that is laughable when considering that on our illegal scheme applications (strawmen, drugs, melee) when we got passed on we were told "there were better applications out there". So speaking for myself and/or my faction here if I may: How are players going to be motivated to join with this setting of things?

The answer is probably: There ain't a way at the moment. Just log in, enjoy the nostalgia project but don't have expectations.

 

Is this ^ acceptable? I don't think so.

 

We can all sit here and complain and say there needs to be a culture change, a mentality change to help this community to improve but unfortunately the problem is way too much radicated into the staff team. You'd have to probably remove 90% of the staff team and hire new people but then again I'm sure some of them will retain that mentality because the direction is dictated by the management and the new ones will probably become complacent. An example? Admins who are in a RP scene cannot handle their own situation if they witness a clear rulebreaking and have to make a forum report. The issue here is that the workload is so high on the admins that most of them perhaps can't even be bothered to handle small things and there's an encouragement to be lazy this way and they feel ENTITLED to it. Clearly, this directive ain't even stopping or preventing any bias, going back on the applications subject.

 

I've been on different communities, I've been an admin myself on many platforms/communities, on SAMP I've been for years on TrueRoleplay as an admin, the server didn't have the same playerbase as LSRP, but had a steady amount of players on and it was never dropping down like it's happening on LSRP, the script was superb and interesting and the administration was swift in handling requests. This is what make people feel as if they matter and are considered as an active part of the community.

I've also been on Red County RP, where I have been banned for something I never did and they knew it, but they had their agenda so that's ok. The admin team over there wasn't the best either, but some were fair, you'd get answered quick enough and the script was alright.

LSRP lacks both things. The script is incredibly basic, the playerbase is dropping fast and the admin team isn't the best either, granted there are SOME who actually do their work but majority of the requests are left on read and/or pending for way too long. I have no doubt you're all great people outside of the game, but this position isn't suited for some of you if you take so long for small/petty requests and then even have the audacity to tell people to get off their high horse when they're fed up of waiting. Yeah, sure, we all have our own lives and I do understand real life comes first, but if you got the time to log in and don't want to do your admin work and prioritize your duty but just want to log in and have fun? Then being an administrator ain't for you, because you should be doing your admin work first THEN chill and have fun. Again, speaking about entitlement.

 

If you want the culture on LSRP to change it has to change from the foundations of the community, which is the staff team. Enable the staff to have more freedom within their boundaries, remove all the useless council and assign each department to each administrator (can also have 2 on the same department and remove this rule they gotta check it up with the other before approving something, at the end of each month the management reviews their performance and their decisions and if their rating falls below 6 on a scale of 1 to 10 you remove them from the team or demote/promote them on performance, not seniority) to ease up the workload and if that doesn't change then look for new members of your administration, continue to release the script updates you've been releasing which have been good so far, make things fun and interesting for people. Give them a reason to say "I'll go IG and have some fun" rather than "Ah I can't be bothered to log in, boring/Ah can't be bothered to go IG and be unable to RP what I want to RP because what I need is being put on hold or disregarded and God knows when I'll see it."

The mistake that is made is to think that the administration here needs to be venerated  and begged somehow because they have a tiny bit of fame on a dying community and if we need something we don't gotta sit on our high horse after waiting for months. No, you WORK for the community, not the other way around. If you don't change that mindset, you won't have a community to moderate for much longer because people will get tired.

 

Heavy RP server?....Where??? The only heavy RP you can encounter on this server comes from Valenti, period.

You go to Verona mall on the Market strip or Idlewood, where's the heavy RP? I don't know how many times I drove past Idlewood or Verona mall and the RP was incredibly sub-par, not to mention the general OOC messages admins make IG sometimes, saying that the mass DM/trolling in Idlewood has to stop or punishment will follow. And let's not forget people breaking into your car every 5 minutes looking for guns. In what realistic world do you break into 200 hundred cars to look for guns? That's Metagame and an abuse if anything and it's becoming so annoying that perhaps if you want to contrast that, you'd have to remove the ability for players not owning a vehicle to /check and /takegun, exception made for LEOs. Do you think anybody takes any of this even seriously though? If you commit an heavy offence you get 25 minutes jail. You kick people for "Not here to RP" sometimes. We had to make 10+ reports to have some people rightfully punished when clear-cut evidence was passed on with warnings. People don't take this serious no more because you're afraid to lose people and they know it. But by doing so, you retain rulebreakers and sub-par RPers at the expenses of the good RPers who will eventually leave because the standards are not what they're meant to be. And on top of that the admins are not fulfilling their duties when they should and leave things on hold for weeks if not months.

More importantly, ENABLE your community members to get where they want to be by helping them with their requests, because the moment you ignore them, you leave them on hold or you tell them to get off their high horse, you lose them. Do it once, twice....do it 100 times, what you're gonna be left with? Surely not a community to moderate, so perhaps the ones who should get off their high horses ain't the players but the moderators. Help your community to grow stronger by assisting your players with their requests. If you don't do that, you don't help them grow and you're consequently limiting your community and server growth and neither you will find it fun no more.

 

I was excited to join LSRP SAMP tbh, get the chance to check this server out because I knew some people from other communities who always said it was heavy RP but I never got the chance to because of me being an admin elsewhere and didn't really have time for it. Needless to say that I am disappointed so far. The only thing that lived up to its name so far was Valenti.

 

And btw I wanna say one last thing. Me and him are not friends, we've been at eachother's neck in the past but that wasn't because of me having a problem with him, at all. I've known him since 2012, however I feel I have to say something in his defence.

Silencing tracksuithitman wasn't the best move @Mmartin. You can have all the reasons you want on earth, but you don't take action before checking facts and instead go on to claim it's false rumor spreading lies. Check evidence first, THEN after checking the evidence you make your decision, like on reports. To ban him before any of that was impulsive and people can perceve it as a cover-up attempt after he claimed the administration is corrupt. You're the face of LSRP and you can't afford that with the state of things right now. When you do that you push your community to believe their opinion and voice don't matter. I've read your ping-pong on here with Tracksuithitman and despite all of your reasons, you've acted on impulse, not on evidence and that is discouraging for people to see. This is what I mean with culture and mentality change. I wish I could've banned Vesci's that quick when they kept on harassing us rather than wait 4 months. Do we have to think that what transpired is that you guys are admins and if it doesn't suit you then it's ok to act immediately, but if something doesn't suit us we're forgotten and got to wait and nag to get something done? Do you see what's wrong here?

Granted if the evidence he provided wasn't good you'd be in the rightful position to say "You're presenting me with false facts and have done nothing but spread rumors in LSRP at the expense of our administration. You had an agenda? Fine, this place however is not for you any longer".

But to ban him before even checking what he had to back up his claims? Whether he withheld the evidence or not, he finally decided to come forth and confess on the incriminating stuff he claims he's got. You owe him at least the benefit of the doubt, considering how many times the community has granted the administraiton the benefit of the doubt.

This whole thread is an appeal to you to hear us out and work with us to change things, don't let our words fall on deaf ears.

 

Set the tone for the community and the community will then shape to it.

Edited November 7 by Sfaccimma

[NASTY]

The community has fallen apart, the standards have completely dipped & the overall level of RP is generally in the gutter. As many people have already mentioned, there's a big problem with a lot of players mentality, complete lack of fear when it comes to rping in the streets etc and everyone is just a complete badass it seems. The entire faction scene got boring cause whoever has the most guns/members simply wins & parts of IFM seem completely incompetent. There's nothing left to do on the server lol

[tracksuithitman]

2 hours ago, NASTY said:

The community has fallen apart, the standards have completely dipped & the overall level of RP is generally in the gutter. As many people have already mentioned, there's a big problem with a lot of players mentality, complete lack of fear when it comes to rping in the streets etc and everyone is just a complete badass it seems. The entire faction scene got boring cause whoever has the most guns/members simply wins & parts of IFM seem completely incompetent. There's nothing left to do on the server lol

The server has always had a plethora of players/characters who can't take a loss and can't comprehend the concept of fear in an attempt to live out fantasies of confidence which they are lacking in away from the game. There are things to do, but there is considerably less in comparison to back in the day, partly due to the stark difference in active players. 

 

I'd also argue that the factions who had the most resources were always on top, which is the point - not all factions should be powerhouses and the idea behind giving official factions more resources vs unofficials has always been to push people to network and branch out. It is not difficult to obtain drugs or guns if the motivation is there.

 

The points you've raised are pretty moot. As somebody who has arguably seen the most backlash for their contribution to this topic I abhore the attitude of "this is dead" coming from people who argue against a lack of resources or scenarios to get stuck into. This has been an age old argument and cannot be put down to the current state of affairs. 

 

Perhaps this response will serve to prove to the doubters of my intentions. The problems are not with standards of roleplay with the exception of the standards and expectations of current official factions - something being actioned and reviewed by the same team (IFT) that people speak ill of without having the faintest idea of the going ons. I need not repeat what issues there are. We are all more than aware at this point.

Edited November 7 by tracksuithitman