A VISION FOR THE FUTURE

[MeowTheEpic]

To put an end to any conspiracies or half truths or simply any staff bias, I believe IFM/IFC duties should be displayed to the public instead of being locked behind discord servers or private staff forums. A faction is being nominated to potentially attain official status? that staff discussion should be visible to the community where they state the pros and cons of said faction. A player/faction applied for smuggler perms or strawman? same concept, these discussions need to be visible to the public eye. Let the community see for themselves, let them hold staff liable for any potential bias.

Such Applications should be viewed publicly where only staff members can reply, pretty sure adjusting perms to an existing subforum or a new one doesn't take any effort. That's one thing off the top of my head that may help ease the player-staff tensions going on since forever, a step for the betterment of the community. A few bad apples will always complain and assume the world is out to get them, but their voices won't cause any issues when the average member can see the inner workings for themselves to make an educated assessment.


On another note regarding factions and RP standards, the IFM can always go above and beyond in terms of recruitment and assign a suitable handler for each faction, unofficial or official to simply monitor and guide where needed, punishing people is all fun and game but I prefer that we use the carrot a few times before the stick.

Edited October 28 by MeowTheEpic

[Blaz]

Management needs to make LSPD, LSSD, GOV and LSFD active again. Especially GOV, because that faction brings another dimension of RP that isn't related to guns and drugs.  Those factions should be the pillar of LSRP playerbase. They have the best map, script and terms for RP.

LSPD has almost 180 members invited, I'm wondering where are those players?

 

Edited October 28 by Blaz

[Aberdeen]

How many times have we had this thread?

 

This topic should not -- and should never -- have been addressed to LS-RP at large but instead as an open letter to the staff with strict consequences outlined and adhered en masse should the desires therein not be met. A manifesto that prefaces itself with "don't flame the staff" when they are the sole arbiters of change and thus are those who need their feet held to the fire for anything to happen renders void all thereafter. That said...

 

...what is happening is natural. All things tend towards disorder. We're on the tail end of the bell curve of SA:MP's popularity (outside of the third world at least) and we've had a good time, staff foibles excluded. Shaking things up now won't bring the roleplay veterans of yesterday back nor will refocusing the marketing budget teach the millions of Brazilians still propping this rickety mod up how to speak English.

 

Just enjoy the ride while it lasts. There's a whole world waiting for you out there whenever you want to step off.

[Beda]

ima say my opinion, but i have only played lsrp2 for 2-3 weeks cuz im busy irl, so i might be wrong

 

im a guy who always complained abt lsrp1 on the forums all day back then, im a crybaby, BUT i think lsrp2 is way better, from the experience of the 2-3 weeks i have played on. why?

-u can see few devs coding now and u can see frequent updates, back then it was only 1 dev who would write 1 line of code every month
-ooc gun sales used to be biggest issue in the illegal scene, but now i can see that they made gun schemes easier for unofficials. how is this better? cuz back then rpers could never find a gun thru rp, they just needed ooc connections, now they can apply for the scheme i guess... but ooc gun selling will never stop and lets be real, theres no way to stop it, but u can see the issues that it does and minimize em
-i see factions r able to get free houses now which is nice, i see roe getting discussed n changed few times after community feedbacks

 

and other stuff maybe that i dont remember 

and tbh i expected the server to die after a month or 2 and a lot of ppl did, but its still alive so
but AY not everything is nice, there r still admins in the staff team that r dumb and abusive. some of them give me the vibe that they dont care cuz samp will die anytime soon anyways so they do w/e tf they want

but if im going to give lsrp1(not the golden era ofc, golden era was 10/10) 5/10, ima give this 7.5/10
 

edit: also back then when ppl complained abt the server (like me), they had solid points that u can never argue against, but now when ppl complain, their points are weak n easily argued against but still the server is far away from perfection, theres a big room for improvement

Edited October 28 by Beda

[JesterJr]

I am genuinely asking, not as an admin of LSRP, but as a person.

 

You really think that having public discussions of who gets official and who isn't, will make LSRP a better place?

 

People are looking for every little bit to state something, that in the end of the day is super minor to what actually happens.

 

About favoritism, I'll simply reply as FBMC leader.

Our faction was taken through the longest ever route to Official. We had people in IFM back then who simply didn't want us to get it, which led to our faction staying unofficial for too long.

 

What we did? We didn't cry hard.

We improved what they asked us to improve and we moved on.

 

There's no difference to what happens now.

 

You have a very active IFM, people who actually do things daily in the server. And I'm the first one who advocated for corruption in the illegal faction team, and I still will if I realize somethings off.

 

What I've realized?

Few months ago I had a heated exchange with @Spectre.

What we did?

 

I didn't dox him or blackmailed the server. I PM'd him and we sorted it like proper human beings.

 

Reading people who don't even play on LSRP, talking about what LSRP should do to improve, is like my grandpa who tells me how many chicks he had when he was young and how I don't get enough at my 28 years.

 

Don't take me wrong.

Your opinion is still here and people read it.

 

But when your opinion is of just pointing a finger at the massive corruption and the greater conspiracy of LSRP, which peaks at 200 players, you really think in the wrong way.

 

Nobody cares about holding a big meeting in a secret mountain cave to not give you official status or strawman scheme.

 

LSRP always had politics into the game.

If you ain't diplomatic and polite, you will not be liked and you won't get stuff.

Like every gaming, especially RP, community. Even from the existing ones that you tend to go to when you leave LSRP.

 

If you do things smart, you move on and as long as you don't ruin the server, you also get a pat in the back.

 

What I see is people who lose something and then they try to bite LSRP back by blackmailing, doxxing, being rude to someone else or going on mass DM sprees on their characters.

 

That always happened and always will happen.

 

But entertaining it by putting it on the spotlight with these threads is just sad.

Edited October 28 by JesterJr

[MeowTheEpic]

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You really think that having public discussions of who gets official and who isn't, will make LSRP a better place?

 

 

 

People are looking for every little bit to state something, that in the end of the day is super minor to what actually happens.

 

 

 

 

I'm not entertaining corruption accusations or anything, or even believe it'll make the world a better place, it's simply a step in the right direction to keep people from formulating baseless arguments for the sake of riling the community up. Yeah people will still find a way to complain but from my own experience on previous servers it's always a safer approach to disarm theorists by having everything out in the public where they can't pull the shady staff backrooms arguments.

 

Also I think you misunderstood my argument, it's the same process except it's visible to the public eye. 

 

As for anyone talking about SAMP dying, yeah it is dying and we're here to enjoy whatever is left before it happens, doesn't mean we have to compromise when it comes to RP standards, I'd rather enjoy what little time I have to spare than complain or formulate reports because some prefer shooting or trolling over roleplaying.

[Mixo]

“SA-MP is dying” hell no, everybody saw the activity the server had on launch. Most of the official factions are subpar and anyone with pair of eyes can tell it’s not up to LS-RPs standards. FTC is a shit show, I personally tried contacting them and I have been ignored like many others. The bureaucracy is cancer. Have any of you tried registering a business? Reports are being handled by the reported parties admin buddy and swept under a rug. Saying that there is no evidence? PM me 🙂

Edited October 28 by Mixo

[JesterJr]

45 minutes ago, Mixo said:

“SA-MP is dying” hell no, everybody saw the activity the server had on launch. Most of the official factions are subpar and anyone with pair of eyes can tell it’s not up to LS-RPs standards. FTC is a shit show, I personally tried contacting them and I have been ignored like many others. The bureaucracy is cancer. Have any of you tried registering a business? Reports are being handled by the reported parties admin buddy and swept under a rug. Saying that there is no evidenge? PM me 🙂

 

 

dmins of this community act under regulations which state that they ain't allowed to handle situations where friends, factions members etc are involved, unless there's no other admin to handle or it's a clear situation where they can back themselves up in case of a report.

 

You can staff report your evidence following appropriate channels.

 

Once again, you're one of the people derailing this thread.

Edited October 28 by JesterJr

[Venta]

3 hours ago, Blaz said:

Management needs to make LSPD, LSSD, GOV and LSFD active again. Especially GOV, because that faction brings another dimension of RP that isn't related to guns and drugs.  Those factions should be the pillar of LSRP playerbase. They have the best map, script and terms for RP.

LSPD has almost 180 members invited, I'm wondering where are those players?

 

Hi, head of GOV here.
Trust me, it's easier said, than done. Everyone wants to see GOV around, but barely anyone wants to join it, especially after they see how much passive roleplay is involved.

 

My door is always open and I look forward to accommodating people and ideas that fit our model - a lot of people reached out, but they pulled out after seeing how much work is involved into developing their ideas. Most want their ideas to be implemented for them so they could just roleplay.

[Mixo]

52 minutes ago, JesterJr said:

 

 

dmins of this community act under regulations which state that they ain't allowed to handle situations where friends, factions members etc are involved, unless there's no other admin to handle or it's a clear situation where they can back themselves up in case of a report.

 

You can staff report your evidence following appropriate channels.

 

Once again, you're one of the people derailing this thread.

I have reached to the proper people long before this thread was even created. You can disagree with me but saying that I’m derailing the thread is delusional. I have stated what needs to be changed, shortly and simply without a 26836 sentence block of text.

Edited October 28 by Mixo

[JesterJr]

1 hour ago, Mixo said:

I have reached to the proper people long before this thread was even created. You can disagree with me but saying that I’m derailing the thread is delusional. I have stated what needs to be changed, shortly and simply without a 26836 sentence block of text

 

You mean the conspiracy theory posts of how the staff is your biggest enemy which supports only your opponents without any context of what Martin Busato states at the beginning?

 

Cause you have 3 posts in this thread, all stating how unfairly you have been treated.

 

And of course all of the staff team hates you and handpicks admins who handle your reports and hide in our discord channel to manipulate our results, right?

 

... Right?

 

Oh and of course you have Staff Reported someone, and the 4 lead admins also covered it up and laughed while handling the staff report with your solid evidence.

 

What keeps you in LSRP then, if it's such a "dying 100pb" corrupted server without anything to provide to you?

 

And don't tell me it's the nostalgia, please.

 

I will find myself held accountable for answering back to you, in such a way, just because I have the green name.

But it's tiring to keep seeing people talking about conspiracy theories.

 

Do your part to make the server better.

Admins are here to enforce server rules and standards.

You, the players are the community. It's time to stop pointing the finger and lower your hand down.

 

Your faction and your reports aren't the center of the universe and admins go through evidence provided and not what players will just state without anything to back it up with. Cause that's fair.

 

Move on.

Edited October 28 by JesterJr

[Jamalio]

1 hour ago, Mixo said:

I have reached to the proper people long before this thread was even created. You can disagree with me but saying that I’m derailing the thread is delusional. I have stated what needs to be changed, shortly and simply without a 26836 sentence block of text.

ngl brother you are slightly out of topic here with your post. If your report was deemed invalid, or you were admin jailed because of a report, then you staff reported and it also was deemed invalid, then you were simply wrong the whole time.

 

this is like the third post on this thread about people sharing their staff experience just because things were not in their favor which is not what this thread is about.

Edited October 28 by Jamalio

[Mixo]

25 minutes ago, JesterJr said:

 

You mean the conspiracy theory posts of how the staff is your biggest enemy which supports only your opponents without any context of what Martin Busato states at the beginning?

 

Cause you have 3 posts in this thread, all stating how unfairly you have been treated.

 

And of course all of the staff team hates you and handpicks admins who handle your reports and hide in our discord channel to manipulate our results, right?

 

... Right?

 

Oh and of course you have Staff Reported someone, and the 4 lead admins also covered up and laughed while handling the staff report with your solid evidence.

 

What keeps you in LSRP then, if it's such a "dying 100pb" corrupted server without anything to provide to you?

 

And don't tell me it's the nostalgia, please.

 

I will find myself held responsible for answering back to you, in such a way, just because I have the green name.

But it's tiring to keep seeing people talking about conspiracy theories.

 

Do your part to make the server better.

Admins are here to enforce server rules and standards.

You, the players are the community.

 

Your faction and your reports aren't the center of the universe and admins go through evidence provided and not what players will just state without anything to back it up with. Cause that's fair.

 

Move on.

 

I’ll make my proposal easier for you:

- Remove shit factions from official (that probably triggered you)

- Monitor and supervise the server as it should be in a roleplay server.

- Have active people in FM who can (atleast) follow faction threads and define who is who.

- Listen to the community.

Can you disagree?

And for the record, me nor my faction needs any shitty official status, we are not here to be your favorite darlings. There are plenty of good staff members so don’t make it look like its a rant against staff. 

[Martin_Busato]

Thank you to everyone for your contributions and honesty in this discussion. This topic has brought the dissatisfaction of the player base to light and it's good to see staff, particularly Mmartin, engaging in the discussion; I am optimistic that our voices are being heard and some form of positive change will come from this. This topic has garnered a lot of attention and LSRP staff would be doing itself a major disservice to ignore our calls for change. 

 

It's also important to remember that we (the players) need to play a major role in making this a good place to role-play. We all need to be introspective and find ways to help LSRP improve, regardless of your role in the community. If you have something on your mind, please don't hesitate to speak up, but this isn't the place to be calling out individuals as it will only serve to derail the topic. We need to be able to have a respectful discussion for this to have a meaningful impact.

 

 

[JesterJr]

16 hours ago, Mixo said:

 

I’ll make my proposal easier for you:

- Remove shit factions from official (that probably triggered you)

- Monitor and supervise the server as it should be in a roleplay server.

- Have active people in FM who can (atleast) follow faction threads and define who is who.

- Listen to the community.

Can you disagree?

And for the record, me nor my faction needs any shitty official status, we are not here to be your favorite darlings. There are plenty of good staff members so don’t make it look like its a rant against staff. 

 

Your comments about official factions doesn't actually touch me, so I don't know why I would get angry about it. On the contrary, I fully agree that there needs to be stern and close up moderation, so I don't get why you even mention this.

 

If you however personally think that my faction is subpar, I never closed my PMs to people who wanted to properly say their opinion, and there are cases where I actually did what they asked me to since I found it fitting to the project.

But that's really off topic.

 

Monitoring and supervising the server can turn into micromanagement very easily. At the moment you have people, both players and staff, who go above and beyond their duties and time to commit and try to bring something, without coming out on public threads to say how dead the server is, but by actually trying to keep up the activity and creativity in their roleplay. Thus creating a better environment for those around them and not negativity because they lost a (staff) report.

 

FM right now is ran by an active IFM and it has been since server's relaunch. There were days in LSRP where IFM was a circle jerk of corrupted few who just benefited their friends and their own factions. There was a time where you had to be part of IFM to get your faction some recognition. LSRP right now gives a fair chance to everyone with it's current FM takes action in no time if you properly address something.

 

Your last bit (listening to the community) is showcased in numerous occasions. Votes on the UCP for scripts, transparent git, updates in a fashion that lsrp never had etc etc.

 

I'm not defending something, I'm stating the facts.

 

And finally, I'm not making your statement look like you're attacking staff. You did this yourself if you look at what you wrote earlier.

It's not what you say, but how you say it, sometimes.

 

Calling this a "dead 100pb server", kills any efforts placed by the good staff and players you mention yourself. You kill their motivation. So if your intention isn't malicious to the server, I don't know why you would say that.

 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when you state it publicly don't expect it to just pass by without a reply.

 

We could agree that we disagree, however.

Edited October 29 by JesterJr