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The server isn’t dying because of CEB, it’s dying because business owners aren’t showing effort or offering anything new. Enforcement isn’t the problem.

Hi, CEB officer here. I won't talk about the realisticity and the RP quality of what you offer too much, since people already talked about that.. We don't create the laws that we enforce, so the discussion shouldn't be about us, but instead whether the laws (or rules) themselves need changing. The only thing this current discussion will bring is more hate towards CEB, from people who we issued fines to or closed their businesses. If you want us to let people open businesses unrealistically without guards or let them have secret dungeons under their businesses, so be it, just change the laws. You said that RPing a guard is boring, but I see it is as a great opportunity for new players to meet other people, make connections and also get some money, instead of grinding truck deliveries. As for us closing down businesses - While I do feel bad when closing down a business because it does kill the roleplay, we are not doing it for every violation, only for serious violations or after multiple warnings or uncooperative business owners. Personally, I try not ty close a business down immediately after it opens. We also try to do it in a way that brings more roleplay, which works when a lot of people are around. I also see it as a positive thing, because it brings more interesting RP that you don't see every time a nightclub opens. If you think RPing a guard is boring and repetitive, and not many people want to do it, don't you think the same could be said about CEB if all we did is inspections and forum work? What's the point of it anyways if it won't be enforced? I don't have an issue if it is decided that we should not be closing down businesses, and instead deal with it in another way, but to say that all we need to do is forum work... at this point it makes more sense to close the faction altogether.

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I gotta disagree with you on a few points as person from CEB management. First of all this is a hard roleplay server, and if we’re serious about building a realistic economy and community, then businesses gotta follow rules and licensing. Security for clubs, casinos, strip places whatever, it’s not a “luxury” it’s literally a must. Those are hotspots where gangs, mafias hang around, fights break out all the time. If you let that run without any control it’s just chaos, and Code Enforcement ends up being pointless. Second, the whole “not enough players” thing really isn’t a reason to ignore the rules. If someone doesn’t have the resources to run the business (like security), then the answer isn’t just opening anyway, it’s either find an IC solution (hire someone, make ads, cooperate with another group) or wait until you can do it properly. Otherwise it’s just comfort RP, and LS-RP never was about that. Third, Code Enforcement doesn’t “kill” businesses, it actually makes them more consistent and higher quality. Think about a new player joining the server, walking into a club or casino with zero order, no checks, no security. Does that look like serious RP? Or is it better when you got rules, inspections, processes that make the city feel alive and like an actual place? Also, like person from the leadership of Roze Enterprise, we offered free staff for all kinds of businesses. We covered the cost ourselves, spending like 10m+ every month just for wages and organization. And still, many players hated on us just because our staff tried to keep order and leave a good impression for new players. Players who just joined, who needed support and encouragement to stay and actually build something here. No matter the outcome, our team of 20 people is never gonna stop trying to improve civilian RP and support new players. We’ve been doing this for the last 7–8 years, in all kinds of ways, and we’ll keep doing it as long as this server is alive.

Hello peeps, I hope this finds you all well, I am the Divison Manager in Code Enforcement and our idea of pursuing businesses and to give them stress or whatever is not in our nature. We do sometimes tell people to find guards but not always. I know the position of having someone check IDs can be boring and whatever but yet again its realism. You can have underage people enter premises that are 21+ (IRL and in LSRP, e.g. nightclubs, Stripclubs etc). To have some doing ID checks is still part of the RP and should be looked at from a perspective to have a realistic RP however. We let businesses off with a lot of slack and dont enforce rules to a huge amount as I know personally its hard to find staff for every position but we try to enforce at least the bare minimum. To add, CEB has no one corrupt and bribery is a no no. We just try to give positive and realistic RP to the best of our capabilites and to the best we can. We dont try to essentially f people over rather just have more fun and more RP. Saying " CEB comes and ruins the opening", we barely do. We have closed a handful of businesses since my time in CEB and the reasons to closure more essentially more than justified and every closure has a case file for it, so no business is being treated in any sense unfairly or being pushed to do more than others.

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