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We're actually tired of having to deal with this constantly. Your role sets the full example LSPD follows but you seem oblivious to this.

You should ask LFM for that I'm not the one who enforces those rules. He's part of SADCR and he can't roleplay security guard on duty and abuse SADCR weapons so yeah lessbo

Still trying to figure out how being hired in a company and as security guard means breaking a rule, still trying to figure out how shooting back at four armed people who started shooting us even after hearing the sirens is breaking the rules, so ye basically still trying to figure out how self defense is breaking rules

Another point lets not pretend that GANG roleplayers will not shoot PD/SD for /ticket ID 2500 "Driving without insurance". Also why are people hanging around their houses with M4/SHOTGUN in hand? Like hide it leave it inside your house, you can carry DGL with you why you have to flex your M4/SHOTGGUN in hand?

My point was that EHC set a high standard that most other gang factions do not adhere to. Law enforcement factions have always responded to the present standard of illegal RP and the reason EHC and the few other respectable gang factions are being crushed under their heavy hand is because most of them can't behave. When DTOs were huge on the server, we had Gang and Narcotics roleplaying and interacting with that aspect of criminality. When we had several huge crime families on the server, we had detective bureaus working around the clock to provide a realistic counter. Now we have spastics spawning in with M4s and rolling through Idlewood four deep with the sole purpose of putting somebody on a t-shirt. The policing standards adapted accordingly.

Another point, lets not pretend the PD don't lose their shit when you place a weapon during a traffic stop too, and they see that "places something in the vehicle" /ame .. "NO MOVEMENTS". Legit roleplaying putting a pistol under the seat, not trying to move a tank.

Said all that needs to he said. Slamming blame on LEOs while not looking into the fact that 80% of the playerbase would rather “shoot it out because they don’t wanna go to jail” is absurd to me. I’m only speaking on this since multiple comments mentioned the entire concerns about the entire downhill par of rp of the LEO scene as a whole, I’ll be speaking from an SD standpoint considering it is the faction a belong to. SD has been giving out the best that could be done to most factions regardless of the constant breakage of server policies and rules and the absurd mentality and attitude glooming over the server as a whole Multiple comments showed evident that the complaints keep hovering around the fact that the community is upset that they get caught after publicly display long guns and heavy weapons. Instead of throwing the blame entirely on LEOs with having zero idea of the amount of sub-par rp we are faced with on a daily basis thanks to the downgrading and crazy spiraling down par of rp for the entire server is not it. No LEO factions randomly starts going ham, I’d advise you lot see for yourselves the way you react with law enforcement considering majority you all would rather “shoot my way out than go to jail” which is an unhealthy mentality that glooms over the entire server. Be the change you want to see. You can not expect something from LEOs when the entirety of the server had a downhill mindset and par of rp, yes some factions are indeed flourishing and have very great and high level roleplay, but expecting LEOs to just suddenly stop and treat you differently just because while the whole server would rather “shoot and kill cops for dm montages & not go to jail” There are several groups that go in game with the soul purpose of killing cops, no wonder LEO levels would drop thanks to this messed up attitude. LEOs, primarily SD as this is the faction I belong to and am able to speak about, are not here to police your server, yes, but you do have to expect to he caught after pulling stunts like drive by shootings in the middle of the city in broad daylight with several patrol cars around and multiple detectives to investigate. It’s not about “winning” we get absolutely nothing from confiscating your weapons or arresting you, we just want to provide and RECEIVE proper role play and enjoy our time on the server, thats it. I’ve said it once and i’ll say it again. Harsher punishments is a must for both parties, we wouldn’t be here if there were genuine punishments applied to clear and absurd behavior instead of a “slap on the hand” or “It will be better on Rage”.

This whole, start roleplaying characters narrative is stupid. EHC has been here since the relaunch, and we've had characters develop since the beginning. There has been many development story lines and people who have put months into characters instead of jumping off the porch as a straight up killer. What you're referring to, in terms of opps in death screen isn't something that is constant, it's something that happens based on IC events, i.e. the recent Harlow war. Again, it's storylines. It's dependant what is happening IC. Continue to look through threads and you'll see those currently developing. Imo, how gangs are now acting with PD is purely down to them being fed up with the same old shit. Every cop wants to pull you over for nothing in hopes it turns violent, every cop wants to RP seeing you with a pistol in your car, every cop wants to search you from head to toe and find those 2 MDMA pills you have hidden. It's all play to win. The standards are on the floor.

(On my phone) Although a police presence is part of this server I can relate to the ratio being less than optimal. When SAMP relaunched it was actually the other way around for a brief moment. One thkng to note is that I've seen illegal roleplayers turn to LEO and I suspect its because in their opinion theres nothing to do. Again with traffic stops I'll quote this and stress that by reading the linked topic you might gain some insight on what is acceptable (for the LSPD) and what isnt. If you have a situation that isnt according to it take a screenshot and PM a few lines as a report (Name of the person breaking the rule is needed I can't just terminate/discipline everyone) As for the ratio: I'm not opposed to a LEO hiring freeze until RAGE (for thosd who have never been LEOs on LSRP; This is important) but our condition is that other factions (LSSD) are frozen too and that's up to LFM/HoLF

Still trying to figure out what was the point of making fun of Cranz dying to SADCR member who broke 21rule to do that

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How dare law enforcement officers enforce the law. There are some legitimate concerns but the contrast between the high quality gang factions like EHC (which has several prominent and long-term IFT members in it) and the lower quality factions (calling out being shot for posing a threat to the public as unfair) is maddening. Kane might be a trolling, deathmatching hick but you guys have entire factions whose thread's sole purpose is to catch your opps in a death screen and the mountains of high-powered weaponry you drop millions on per week just proves that point. If you want this to stop being a "cops and robbers" server then take the first step and stop roleplaying robbers and start roleplaying characters.

And All I’m getting is that all PD want to do is log in and hunt for guns and drugs with ur /me looks for bulges roleplay 🤣🤣🤣

Even tho I been LAW since day one on the server (been in barely any MOB/GANG factions), I’m taking the GANG/MOB side this time, LAW done turned into straightup DM, weapon camping and useless pursuits. There’s hardly any real gang/civil RP impact bcause gangs don’t always wanna keep “normal” relations with a LAW officer, maybe wouldn’t even IRL, who knows. Bottom line, LAW’s just DMing on gangs now, and gang RPers don’t even sweat losing weapons or feeling fear, because they got like twenty of the same guns stashed in Sadler’s trunk bcause it can’t be twenty of us LAW RPers being right while the whole rest of the server say LAW RP is the problem. That means the issue ain’t with the other 120 players, it’s with us twenty who running LAW

The real problem is camping in hoods and constant patrols, when there are 90 players online sometimes 20 percent of the playerbase is a LEO. IRL these numbers are SIGNIFICANTLY lower. When you fire a gun, drive a car. You can bet your ass you are either ending up in prison or a traffic stop which results in prison. The only thing for LEO to do currently is bother illegal factions because of the drop of the playerbase there's barely stuff to do. Everytime I get IG I just see adverts pumping out of new LEO being hired. Maybe you guys should focus on getting those players to actually go do something in the realms of legal rp or a fun faction which provides in depth roleplay to this server instead of constant traffic stops.

He’s Really Biting, Huh? / These Are the Ones Who Snitch the Most

What did you say then? IC issue and what else?

This is why these threads don't last long, I've reviewed my logs from the conversation that evening and this is plainly false. This is not the place to address specific incidents as the conversation inevitably devolves into a back and forth like this.

Node said that they were involved in 2 raids there and didn’t wanna go through with it again. As for the failed raids, yeah, that’s SD. As for the shooting upon entering the complex? Have some common courtesy, this is LSRP not IRL, it isn’t a server destined only for PD’s win. SD has twice taken that risk and didn’t shoot us upon entering, so had your faction before, yet this time they’ve decided that they’re tired of it and just shot us down upon entering, now you’re just bringing up a case, where indeed people can be taken hostages, but this is a game and this is breach of common courtesy and also play to win mentality.

This complex you're referring to I assume is the one at Marina. The narrow staircase with a point position at the top. I'm not sure who gave you the reason "Two failed raids don't wanna go again" but I can only speak for the LSPD and please do confirm that you were talking to a LSPD member and not a member of another law-enforcement faction. I recall being on scene myself three times, twice deployed as SWAT, third time in pursuit of people who went there to barricade. I recall the third time there was an issue and I told the parties who reported to PM me directly so I can explain why they might have been shot. Understand that because this server is trying to be a realistic gamemode we use court cases from the United States. Specifically here Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (you can read about it). It applies here because you've got people in posession of illegal firearms fleeing from police towards a complex which would be occupied by members of the public (civillians). So the police are authorised to shoot to prevent further loss of innocent life if they believe those fleeing intend to harm the complex occupants (take them hostage, murder or otherwise). In regards to this: Think any real-life school shooting (tragic, yes) and imagine you're a police officer chasing a felon who runs into a school with an assault rifle he bought from the gun store. Would you shoot to prevent the loss of kids? The Cops in Uvalde Texas who were shamed for not entering or stopping the shooter before he entered sure wish they did and would've been within their right to do so. Also the use of this court case has been restricted in its interpretation over the course of LSRP. in 2015 the LSPD would be able to shoot you with an M4 for "Evading" which is a felony and swimming away in the water because you "intended to escape". We've long moved past this inaccurate representation. I say M4 specifically because only it can fire at a far distance and the rules around M4 usage was barely regulated at all. Different times though. In regards to two failed raids. Like I said I recall being on a SWAT team twice at that complex and both times we had no fatalities when making entry so either I wasn't there (Unlikely because I receive notifications about all raids/breaches from/through my faction) or you might be mixing up factions. The LSPD aren't the only ones with a tactical team (raids/breaches are usually done by SWAT/SEB)

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@Consistencyall of u are concerned about angellify and ehc’s traffic stop, how about you check this LSCC type scenario aswell?