Some harder rules in placed

[husoparac11]

In my personal opinion and I think many others will agree with me. The servers reputation has dropped from being a good Hard Text RP to something of light RP server. More and more we see people not RPing enough to kill someone, to rob someone or anything. It has become for so many just to farm clips and look cool for forums on factions and so on. In my opinion standards are dropping massively on some things and it demotivates a hell of a lot people like myself who want to RP somewhat hard and good. Its really demotivating to even spend time and play and put work in making some type of story to an RP or anything at all if someone will come and just tap you. They use a /mask and you have 0 evidence to even fkin report it to anyone. You report it in game to admin but its useless. Because these people will always do it when Admins are low or trainee admins only online.

[DRoBoT0]

I do agree that some harsher rules would benefit in some cases. Reason to kill I think being a big one; location too being a big one. People are willing to kill in broad daylight and it doesn't really represent the real life consequences of killing even with the most hardcore gangsters out there. It's definitely a fixable thing, so I'd have hope though man. Personally? I would remove OOC mask entirely UNLESS there is a realistic face covering AND even then, it needs to be applied with genuine RP with proof of it in the case of it ever being required.

 

[Aberdeen]

15 hours ago, husoparac11 said:

More and more we see people not RPing enough to kill someone, to rob someone or anything. It has become for so many just to farm clips and look cool for forums on factions and so on. 

The LS-RP in your head has not existed since at least a few years prior to the closure. That's the best part of a decade at this point. The average new player cannot be trusted to be operating under the same unspoken code of conduct as in the past and why should they be expected to? The majority older community members, whose backgrounds in more mature, character-focused roleplay formats, have moved on or been spurned by poor staff decisions. The staff have never been the arbiters of good roleplay, only what is right and wrong in terms of player actions. Of course these newer players are going to be lead astray given their origins in more action-oriented games and the script's reliance on RPG mechanics and grinding.

 

It's been memed to death over the years but the admins do actually have access to the mythical "logs" that will tell them exactly who has killed who. If you've been DMed and have sufficient evidence, the rules can be enforced. If a member of staff has told you otherwise, they're holding on to their green name for e-clout and little else. Report them as well while you're at it.

 

Or just join Valenti.

Edited February 9 by Aberdeen

[husoparac11]

1 hour ago, Aberdeen said:

The LS-RP in your head has not existed since at least a few years prior to the closure. That's the best part of a decade at this point. The average new player cannot be trusted to be operating under the same unspoken code of conduct as in the past and why should they be expected to? The majority older community members, whose backgrounds in more mature, character-focused roleplay formats, have moved on or been spurned by poor staff decisions. The staff have never been the arbiters of good roleplay, only what is right and wrong in terms of player actions. Of course these newer players are going to be lead astray given their origins in more action-oriented games and the script's reliance on RPG mechanics and grinding.

 

It's been memed to death over the years but the admins do actually have access to the mythical "logs" that will tell them exactly who has killed who. If you've been DMed and have sufficient evidence, the rules can be enforced. If a member of staff has told you otherwise, they're holding on to their green name for e-clout and little else. Report them as well while you're at it.

 

Or just join Valenti.

It seems to be getting worse in from what I am experiencing from RP that I am involved in. There is a couple of the same fools that to do the same shit and its really annoying as fuck. I aint against any staff in a sense as I know they work hard for this platform to even be available for us to play on but I just think that some type of harsher rule needs to be implaced. Even when with a /re in game maybe staff who are online could get to it. Because this whole thing of having 100 screenshots and always just posting forum reports is a big hassle. Not many people can get on it or aitn bothered due to some IRL situations. But as I said, it aint even new players at large. There is damn a lot of big levels doing the same stuff, and when you tell people in /b to stop being stupid and RP properly... all they do is cry to you and ask to stop /b. Even the simplest of foot chases... people will bunny hop to get to you. And will then cry when you stop and do /b.. then they want u to continue RP from where u stopped and did a /b to warn them for the stuff.

 

[Kunis]

On 9.2.2025 at 17.49, Aberdeen said:

The LS-RP in your head has not existed since at least a few years prior to the closure. That's the best part of a decade at this point. The average new player cannot be trusted to be operating under the same unspoken code of conduct as in the past and why should they be expected to? The majority older community members, whose backgrounds in more mature, character-focused roleplay formats, have moved on or been spurned by poor staff decisions. The staff have never been the arbiters of good roleplay, only what is right and wrong in terms of player actions. Of course these newer players are going to be lead astray given their origins in more action-oriented games and the script's reliance on RPG mechanics and grinding.

 

It's been memed to death over the years but the admins do actually have access to the mythical "logs" that will tell them exactly who has killed who. If you've been DMed and have sufficient evidence, the rules can be enforced. If a member of staff has told you otherwise, they're holding on to their green name for e-clout and little else. Report them as well while you're at it.

 

Or just join Valenti.

 

I think people are just looking at the "Old" LS-RP with rose tinted glasses, there has never really been any unspoken code of conduct that the whole playerbase has abided by. Ever since the beginning of time the server has had newer players roaming around, breaking rules. Some have done it because they just don't fully grasp the concept of RP, some have done it because they don't care.



 

[Wulgra]

12 hours ago, Kunis said:

 

I think people are just looking at the "Old" LS-RP with rose tinted glasses, there has never really been any unspoken code of conduct that the whole playerbase has abided by. Ever since the beginning of time the server has had newer players roaming around, breaking rules. Some have done it because they just don't fully grasp the concept of RP, some have done it because they don't care.



 

Hi, maybe the perspective of a complete newbie will help to shed a different light on this situation.
This text has nothing to do with you personally, quite the opposite, you are actually one of the admins mentioned below with whom I have only had positive experiences so far!
 

First of all: Before January 9th I never had an LSRP account or a character here, even though I already knew about this server OOC since 2015/2016, the thought of RPing in English (not my native language) had simply scared me off, even though I can prove over 9000 hours of RP experience on German servers.
So feel free to interpret my situation as someone who has no idea what he is talking about here on LSRP.
 

The team members I have dealt with so far have all been very friendly and helpful. Be it tester, admin, event team, mapper or leadership.
Of course, there is always the situation where you as an experienced team member/user think: WTF is this dude really new? Something like this still exists in the year 2025?

How would I describe my feeling here, what I have on average? Sometimes exciting because it's new, sometimes confusing, sometimes incomprehensible.

Because I sometimes meet different people with different RP levels and rarely find a uniform level among several people.

You shouldn't ignore the group formation of the different factions (legal or illegal), of course it's their right to only deal with their own people, but you should be able to agree on a common level in terms of "external impact", which also gives the Team Members a more peaceful life and the opportunity to do more roleplay themselves.

On my legal character, for example, there has hardly been a situation so far where a "character from the criminal scene" behaved so badly that I think that would be worthy of a report. Sure, some characters are a bit... more hot-tempered or dominant, but that's roleplay.

It's been pretty much the same with my female character so far, even though I sometimes think... brother, at least make an effort if you're going to flirt with me.
But even then, even though they's mostly accepted rejections with respect. 
Sure, sometimes they would say something "stupid", but that was understandable so as not to lose face in front of his boys.
 

Everything went great internally on the illegal character, which I only did on the "invitation" of the thread creator.
Super high-quality RP, great people, in terms of the story everything was mostly understandable (if the language barrier didn't kick in personally).

But when some "action" started, it just gets confusing.
Yesterday, for example, a random taxi came along that was already smoking, while several masked people were getting ready and trolling around.
Then a PD car "coincidentally" drove by, which just happened to be alone in a public parking garage at night.
And before the RP with the PD even started - there was a chase AND because one of the four passengers shot, everyone was sprayed down with M4s like Swiss cheese as soon as they got out (I didn't even get the chance to surrender or grab a weapon in any way, not even with an ass pull).

-> But that's not meant to be a complaint or public humiliation, so no names. Nevertheless, as a newbie who is just trying to get a foothold, I find giving such a first impression... not conducive to role play.
 

Of course you could play the card: "You're new, be quiet and watch out."
But if you don't want any new ones, you should say so and not scare away the people behind them with such DM-worthy actions.
Because I think that from a purely economic and qualitative point of view of the server, that is not in their interest.
 

If you've read this far, thank you very much for your time reading my post! I really appreciate it.
 

I hope you have a nice and successful week.

Greetings, Wulgra

[husoparac11]

15 hours ago, Kunis said:

 

I think people are just looking at the "Old" LS-RP with rose tinted glasses, there has never really been any unspoken code of conduct that the whole playerbase has abided by. Ever since the beginning of time the server has had newer players roaming around, breaking rules. Some have done it because they just don't fully grasp the concept of RP, some have done it because they don't care.



 

Not many people get annoyed with new players, even new players when they do it and you tell them via a PM or a /b they will be considerate and apologise, what is a big issue is so called GOOD RPers. Who have put hrs into server and are big levels. 

[Aberdeen]

On 2/9/2025 at 12:47 AM, husoparac11 said:

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I was going to dismiss this thread after my initial post. It's easy to get cynical with this game after so long but having roleplayed with you twice, I'll give you a bit of constructive feedback that'll make your time here much more enjoyable: be humble.

 

Learn to take an L. In fact, learn to take several Ls. Do not be tempted to take every issue in-game to local OOC or (god forbid) an admin sit. Your faction is new. Your characters are new. Nobody knows you. Los Santos wasn't built yesterday and there are established criminal groups and powerful characters still extant that have been pulling strings for years.

 

You're clearly a good roleplayer and I can see that your heart is in the right place in the way you lead your faction and the way you've opened up this topic to community... but you've gotta chill out. Letting emergent roleplay affect your character in the long-term is one of the hallmarks of a great roleplayer. Tommy Collins needs to let in-game actions whittle him into a jigsaw piece fit for the puzzle that is the Los Santos criminal underworld. You're going to have an exceptionally difficult time doing it any other way, as players who couldn't separate their OOC ego from their character (a certain white rapper from New York City comes to mind) found out.

 

15 hours ago, Kunis said:

 

I think people are just looking at the "Old" LS-RP with rose tinted glasses, there has never really been any unspoken code of conduct that the whole playerbase has abided by. Ever since the beginning of time the server has had newer players roaming around, breaking rules. Some have done it because they just don't fully grasp the concept of RP, some have done it because they don't care.

You're right, the whole playerbase has never behaved as such but the average player has.

 

Each of the main character domains (illegal; LEO; government/civilian) have been touched and reformed by players whose background in more refined forms of emergent roleplay has influenced the server as a whole. With the right crowd you can still feel the effects over a decade later. People fell in line not out of obligation to some OOC figurehead like Martin_Busato but because the practices they preached made the game more fun and more fair. But that code of conduct, much like it did on older text-heavy roleplay games like Habbo and TSRP, only works as long as everybody involved tows the line. We regulated this largely ICly through the use of CKs, only stepping OOC when the issue became particularly disruptive.

Edited February 11 by Aberdeen

[DRoBoT0]

Look at the date this was posted. This has nothing to do with you, don't think too big of yourself. This server has lower than average quality of rp as of late, with PG, MG abuse and DM a normal occurance that seemingly nothing is done to address. It's why people including myself are leaving. I rp a lot with declan and Tommy and like myself, we only rp Ls because people play to win. Like jumping from balconys for example. We were always fine with losing because that is role play, we are just not okay when said role play is no longer according to the rules and standards. This is meant to be a heavy RP server, it isn't anymore. It's pointless denying it any longer and it needs to be addressed because far too many are leaving because of it. Tommy is a new character, Declan wasn't. Civilian rp is dead, and faction rp is all that is left but when people /q to avoid death and it be accepted? None of this is IC issues. 

[Kunis]

2 hours ago, DRoBoT0 said:

Look at the date this was posted. This has nothing to do with you, don't think too big of yourself. This server has lower than average quality of rp as of late, with PG, MG abuse and DM a normal occurance that seemingly nothing is done to address. It's why people including myself are leaving. I rp a lot with declan and Tommy and like myself, we only rp Ls because people play to win. Like jumping from balconys for example. We were always fine with losing because that is role play, we are just not okay when said role play is no longer according to the rules and standards. This is meant to be a heavy RP server, it isn't anymore. It's pointless denying it any longer and it needs to be addressed because far too many are leaving because of it. Tommy is a new character, Declan wasn't. Civilian rp is dead, and faction rp is all that is left but when people /q to avoid death and it be accepted? None of this is IC issues. 

The server has always had a far below average quality around certain locations, it does not however mean that the server as a whole has dropped in RP:ing standards, official factions, some companies and a few unofficial factions still hold a very high standard of RP (Many of them have done so for years, even over a decade). If you want to experience better RP then i'd strongly suggest finding opportunities in any of the mentioned factions/companies. There also has to be some room for newer players to get a chance to understand what the server is all about, without that you can never have a stream of newer players joining the server.

 

"This server has lower than average quality of rp as of late" For this all I can say that correlation does not equal causation, there are tens of factors that play a massive role in the declining playerbase, the biggest one being that we're playing a game that released almost 21 years ago.

 

The players who only play to win have also existed since forever, reasons for them existing are many, as I stated in my earlier post. Newer (and a few older players) have never really grasped the idea of RP.

They might be of very young age, they might be very new to RP, they might be trolling for the fun of it. It took me a good few months in 2008 to understand even the basics of RP, as someone who had never heard of RP before.
Saying that admins are turning a blind eye towards DMers and people breaking the rules in general is a false statement in my opinion. It might feel that way for people that surround themselves around constant gunfights and play2win situations, but there's not always conclusive evidence for every situation. 
Is it always DM if you get killed? Have you asked the reasons for being killed from the player that shot you? There are plenty of questions to be asked. You as a player might feel DMed, but the underlying reasons for it after talking to both parties might not warrant an ajail.

 

Remember to always use shadowplay and/or grab screenshots if you think that people have been breaking the rules in any way, that way reports can be handled as fairly and easily as possible.

 

 

[epicness]

23 hours ago, Aberdeen said:

Your faction is new. Your characters are new. Nobody knows you. Los Santos wasn't built yesterday and there are established criminal groups and powerful characters still extant that have been pulling strings for years.

More new factions should read this couple of times.  They be on page 2 of photos and already trying to take over the world.

 

22 hours ago, DRoBoT0 said:

Civilian rp is dead

Civil RP is trying to stay afloat, but any civil roleplayer gets bored of being robed atleast once every other day.

You simply existing anywhere on the map, while on foot.  Be sure you are geting robbed.

 

There should be bigger punishment. Instead of jailing them(when cought) for 4 hours or what ever it is, which they'll be afk spending time in jail.. Make the jail time one IRL week.

Also change the Jail time AFK limiter to 5 minutes of no acitivity =kicked.

 

Make a new rule where you can't rob anyone before 9PM.

Make a rule where you cant rob anyone if there isn't cop on duty. You see many trolers in the morning doing crap just 'cuz they can.

 

 

[Marco Polo]

1 hour ago, epicness said:

There should be bigger punishment. Instead of jailing them(when cought) for 4 hours or what ever it is, which they'll be afk spending time in jail.. Make the jail time one IRL week.

Also change the Jail time AFK limiter to 5 minutes of no acitivity =kicked.

I can't trust PD to pull me over for running a red light and not escalate it into a shootout, you wanna give them power to suspend people's characters for a week? LOL 

Your idea barely impacts the dm monkeys, who in that event will just relog onto an alt character and have their friend pass them a new gun. 

 

The robbery/dm squad issue isn't one that can be solved by creating or enforcing rules, there's a long list of people who are very known repeat offenders and it's quite baffling that staff is still sitting on this issue and looking for reasons to ban each one of these people instead of abruptly giving them all a boot to the ass. This is to no surprise, however, as the LSRP admin team is known to be very careful to not upset their playerbase.

 

When they're not shutting down factions of 20+ people for RoE offences, that is. 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 12 by Marco Polo

[Morpheus]

3 hours ago, kurkasi said:

The server’s reputation has really dropped—from solid Hard RP to more of a light RP vibe. Too many people just farm clips instead of truly RPing, and it’s killing the experience for those of us who want deep, meaningful stories. Random killings, robberies with no RP buildup, and masked players abusing the system make it frustrating. Reporting doesn’t help since it mostly happens when only trainee admins are around. It’s demotivating.

Old generation players are maybe in their 30s now and are long gone or switched to other games. The term ''roleplay'' is understood in different point of view from the new generation of players. They want action, they want fun, they want DM, they want grinding. I'm playing SAMP since 2008, visited many RP communities, which are gone now. Back, when I wanted to join the community, it was nearly impossible, everything was so strict, one small mistake in your application and you are denied. Now is easier and it's understandable why. Roleplaying communities in samp are dying, because players are changing either the platform or leaving it. 

[Cursed_King]

On 2/12/2025 at 2:05 PM, Marco Polo said:

I can't trust PD to pull me over for running a red light and not escalate it into a shootout, you wanna give them power to suspend people's characters for a week? LOL 

Your idea barely impacts the dm monkeys, who in that event will just relog onto an alt character and have their friend pass them a new gun. 

 

The robbery/dm squad issue isn't one that can be solved by creating or enforcing rules, there's a long list of people who are very known repeat offenders and it's quite baffling that staff is still sitting on this issue and looking for reasons to ban each one of these people instead of abruptly giving them all a boot to the ass. This is to no surprise, however, as the LSRP admin team is known to be very careful to not upset their playerbase.

 

When they're not shutting down factions of 20+ people for RoE offences, that is. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chicken Bargain]

I think PD/SD needs stricter rules in force cause holy shit I've never seen such horrible sub-par RP and cops and robbers mentality.