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How can you call people that wish for LSRPV samp rejects? When 99% of them are holding valuable positions in their factions / staff team or wherever they are. 80% of the people that talk in threads like this do nothing to improve SAMP. I don't see anyone joining as Tester and grinding his way to Lead Admin or something. I don't see anyone learning how PAWN,MYSQL work so he can contribute to the SAMP Gamemode. I don't see anyone hopping ingame and improving the quality of the roleplay that we have. I don't see anyone learning how to map. All I see is bashing poor gamemode, poor staff team, poor this poor this, I get it there are a lot of issues but no one is trying to do something, yall are just talking and bashing it. "Unban people who cheated / DM'ed give them second chance" What the fuck? LSRP is in this state because of people like them. Those rules are made for something and if you really care about playing on LSRP you will respect them. As someone who wants to roleplay LEO I deal with idiots on daily basis for the past 5months, people dont want to roleplay taser/tackle people will shoot you on traffic stop because you want to issue them ticket for something, I deal with people who barely speak any English. Every pursuit turns into mass DM, mass mg'ed ambush. And I hope that with RAGE we will rise the standards and those things wont be an issue.

On LSRP with the current script? Maybe. But I have seen upcoming SA:MP servers who have a fully customized weapon and vehicle system. A lot of dope things can be implemented on a SAMP server, it's all up to the dedication of the developers to do it. However, the majority of the people who have commented here have stated that the script isn't why they've spent so many years on this server. Those players are usually good enough roleplayers to not be dependent on script features to come up with good roleplay concepts.

From now on if you want to come and crusade for RAGE you should come and tell us what you spent your time doing on SAMP that makes you feel that it is dead in the water and that RAGE is the future. The only insiders that have come forward so far are Natasha Valentine who graced us with the monumental roleplay coming out of Valentine hotel over the years and a LEO roleplayer who's recent forum posts span back to July. I want to see credentials of what you actually roleplayed here or your opinion is simply invalid.

Quoting OP, "The LSRP brand exists on SAMP, not on GTAV, and it’s glaringly apparent the SAMP server needs to be more of a priority going forward. LSRP SAMP failing is a marketing disaster for LSRPV". I'm sure the people commenting here are worried about the future of LS:RP on SA:MP and not on V, which you clearly couldn't give two fucks about.

RAGE has been (for a long time) and will always be superior to SAMP, SAMP is nice for the aesthetics, but in terms of long-term script support and diversity in terms of what you can do, RAGE will always trump SAMP. This is coming from the head of modding for SAMP, I can tell you that it's 100% easier to implement clothing, scripts, items, vehicles into RAGE than it is on SAMP, on SAMP you can't have custom vehicles, custom weapons, I tried to make custom kuttes/vests for MCs based off of one model that they could texture over but it's too much work for developers and the idea sunk from the get-go whereas in RAGE, most of the common MCs vests have already been made and are easy to add. And even if they aren't, it's super easy to re-texture the existing vests on GTA:V. SAMPs nostalgic, that's why everyone came back, but after months of playing (even with updates adding new scripts which were janky at best due to how SAMP works), everyone realized that there was nothing more to SAMP, it was the same rinse and repeat cycle. I for one, alongside most of the community that's still left are waiting for LSRP:V, if it works it works but I'm not holding my breath.

Could you elaborate? Because I remember being told there was no functioning plastic surgeon, drug script, etc 2 months ago. How superior is rage right now being an insider, could you enlighten us?

This thread is about the future of LS-RP, not just the future of LS-RP on SAMP. Yes, the game was fun 5 years ago before Rage was developed properly, but then it became superior in everyway. All the rage insiders you clearly dislike so much all played SAMP heavily and we enjoyed the server, but we also accept the reality that the game has seen its best days. LS-RP is going to either survive or die on Rage, the community's future won't be decided on SAMP. Nobody from the rage team are this upset, we all know the content is good and it's an upgrade over SAMP. I'm not sure I quite get the aggression because we all, me included, enjoyed SAMP but it was never going to last forever. I also don't get the blaming of management. The server started to decline years ago under old management but a lot of people seem to be blaming the current management for not doing more, but I see no real solutions. The stopped banning over trivial matters, they use admin jail far more than they used to, they're unbanning people and giving them 3rd, 4th, even 5th chances when old admins wouldn't have... The biggest mistake they made was not abandoning SAMP sooner, then maybe we'd have the share of 821 players currently on GTA:W.

"A team without leadership is like a ship without a rudder that is certain to wander aimlessly."

That ship has sailed pal. Refer to my first comment in this thread. LS:RP is nowhere near ready to be a successful community in any other GTA iteration with this management (not exclusively) and it continues to live in SA:MP purely off the reputation it has had for nearly two decades.

I've heard nothing other than "RAGE is the future!" from all of those who prefer V over SAMP. That is entirely your opinion and I am fine with that, however all of us who generally only play SA:MP have provided more than enough reasons as to why we believe the V project is doomed and we have provided multiple solutions on how to fix the SAMP server. If you are not actively trying to contribute to this discussion by trying to further elaborate on your point of RAGE being the future without truly providing any valid points other than "SAMP is an old game", how do you expect people to buy into your idea? As I wasn't really around when the first RAGE server was opened, can you please let the community know as to why that server failed? I genuinely want to hear your side of the story as it seems like you have spent a lot of time on that server. What has management done, in your opinion, to prevent another failure of an opening of the RAGE server?

6 pages and 89% of it is literally solutions to the problem and you have the audacity with "rage insider" to even comment your 2 cents in on this. Why don't you go play LSRP V right now? Oh right. What change will happen on LSRP V that didn't happen on SAMP? Oh right. Majority of players came back/are here due to the LSRP name, not because anyones exciited for the LSRP V release. The small percentage that really hopes and wishes for LSRP V to flourish and do great are literal rejects of the SAMP scene. Sorry if I come off as a bit mean here, but can the people who are only here for LSRP V and never even wanted to see SAMP do good just fuck off? We don't need your delusional 2 cents that 'Rage is the only future!". No one from the Rage team can answer me this; What's gonna change management wise/or even staff wise when you compare SAMP and LSRP V. Is Mmartin magically just handing this over to someone else? Does everyone from the SAMP team just get booted off or do you keep x amount of people based on the friends group? Like I can't comprehend how delusional you rage insiders are.

Where are these other servers then that apparently prove that SAMP has a future, at least for Western roleplay? One look at the server browser and any English/US server is either a freeroam, DM, or cops v robber server. The only RP servers I could find in a look at the first three pages before the numbers dropped to 0 where Russian or Brazilian. Just seems like SAMP continues to be a game that is easy to run and accessible for people with older PCs (make of that what you will) and that's the only reason the game has any life in it at all. Rage is the only future LS-RP has, there's no magical turn around for the server on SAMP, it has exhausted the accessible player base, and the only new players coming in usually find themselves in a forum report within 2 days. It's easy to blame management but I don't see anyone offering any actual solutions to *what* they should do; besides unbanning everyone which wouldn't really work because if you manage to get a permanent ban in LS-RP you clearly deserved it. The Rage server is way better than it was when it first released, Danut and Node have done a pretty good job and there's a whole new fresh playerbase on Rage thanks to FiveM and other Rage servers. I do agree with the one comment someone made on here (can't find it now) that there should be more snippets shown of the Rage server because there's definitely enough there to be building interest and showing the community.

Day four and the only thing out of top brass has been an excuse about why Kev's post was censored -- if that isn't telling, then I don't know what is. I don't think it's a coincidence that a lot of the people being ignored in here, are a part of the same culture of role-players that the staff have notoriously always had a prejudice towards -- the same culture, I'll add, that have built the reputation that they leech off. In my experience, most of the staff have been vanilla role-players that would be more suited to Second Life, and make up for their lack of ability with administrative power, and this is probably why they'd prefer to play with the systems and gadgets on RAGE than use their imaginations and role-play with the people that give a shit on SAMP. I feel like this thing with RAGE is almost out of spite, that a lot of them would like nothing better than to put a lot of "elitists" out to pasture. They look down on and mock people who passionately commit to their characters and their worlds, and they're doing exactly the same thing now. Edit: Except Rye. Rye's a real one. Big ups Rye.

SAMP is a waste of time and resources, all attention should be focused on RAGE MP - LSRP V. - This is how LSRP will thrive and not just "survive". LSRP V is it's future, end of story. GTA 5 has way more to offer in content, scripting capabilities etc, SAMP is a dinosaur and holds no future I wouldn't waste to much time on it. Danut is doing a great job as well with the LSRP V content and concurrent updates!

If anyone says anything about Huso I will plant a bomb undier thier car - up the Huso It's not always the staff team either, some players are just dumb and don't know how to enjoy this server without breaking rules or running around a gang faction screaming wasaup cuh let's smoke some opz n then roleplay around our block for 5 mins n /q yknow ese... All gang factions that I joined (even the official ones) just get boring to roleplay after a few days becuase everything on the server has got to the point that all you do is hop ingame, hold down the set waiting for attack or getting into a tahoma or premier to attack the rival faction. Gang Roleplay is not what it used to be, I checked the old factions and yes they did do a lot of shootings too but then PB was like 200+ every single night, they had businesses to visit, clubs, bars whatever. They had thier own roleplay - Mob Piru for example, Inglewood Family Bloods, even Harlows and EHC had thier own ideas, but they just showed a little bit and the rest was shooting. (I'm not hating anyone, play the game however you want) I think it's best for the server if it's already dying to slowly lower the number of guns, Ik there are warehouses for official factions - lower them too. Why do we have gang members with 4 stash cars? Makes no sense if you ask me. Since it's almost new year, how about the server gives everyone an unban? Forums, in-game. They had hacks? They did RDM? - Gun Ban them, have an admin watch them, if they get reported - BAN them.. It's not that hard really + you guys have logs for everything. Well this is just some stupid stuff that I said drinking my morning coffee, I hope everyone enjoys these jolly days with thier family and friends.🎄

Hello everybody, I’d like to share my thoughts here as well, as I believe I’ve been part of this community long enough to express some concerns I’ve observed over the years, but I will only speak about the current situation and what I seen since the reopening. Even though I was never part of the staff team or held any important position within staff ranks, I can say that I had close ties with some members of the staff team and was often aware of what was going on behind the scenes. So, I’ll start with this. As @Zaw mentioned, this is not the first time something like this has happened the current situation is starting to resemble the 2021 closure. However, despite this familiarity, the current management does not seem to know how to handle it, which suggests either a lack of knowledge or a lack of care. ( for me ) Now, speaking about the Rage-MP side of the community, it feels strange to have staff members who are active only for RageMP when, at the moment, the main focus and the only platform open to the public is the SA-MP server. Even though I left the community three to four months ago, this was something I consistently noticed during my time playing after the reopening, incompetent staff placements based on personal connections: ‘I know this guy’ or, to put it plainly, nepotism. And staff members being present who simply appeared not to care at all about the SA-MP server. Now, after reading through the thread and finding out that the RageMP script isn’t even half finished, it makes me wonder what the server management is thinking at this point. Do they really intend to compete with a giant like GTA World using an unfinished, patched-together, and outdated version of a previously failed product? It feels crazy to me that after an entire year of: When is RageMP opening? and ‘Rage when? with so many people eager to get even a small glimpse of what the GTA V server would offer not a single sneak peek or snippet of the product was ever shown. This alone makes the current state of development quite clear. This brings up another question for me, why wasn’t the focus kept on SA-MP, especially after the grand reopening brought the server back to a 500/500 peak for a couple of days before slowly fading? The potential to maintain the server at its full capacity was clearly there. Alright, let me get this straight. Yes, you did release a roadmap on the UCP with listed features, I’ll give you that. However, not a single one of those features was ever actually introduced into the game. And that alone speaks volumes. My mistake, one feature was actually introduced, custom skins. However, players had to pay $20 to have a skin added to the game, and then either an additional $5 per month or purchase a premium package to keep it renewed. If you ask me, that’s a significant money grab. You can’t reasonably expect someone to pay $25 upfront and then continue paying either $20 or $5 monthly just to keep a custom skin in the game. Instead of implementing a system that renews skins based on in-game activity, this approach feels like a straightforward cash grab. So, the fact that the only feature added was one designed to generate income says a lot about their vision for the future. Alright, generating revenue isn’t necessarily a bad thing, right? That money could later be reinvested into the server by hiring developers, modders, and so on. Well… that’s pretty much all there is to say about that. The only updates I noticed for SA-MP after @ImperiumXVII left were basic to mid-level updates with no clear focus changes that could have been implemented in a single day. Nothing truly game changing or approaching the 2025 potential of a SA-MP server. Also, when you look at the team section, you can clearly see a Marketing team in place, yet I never saw any results from it. Not a single idea to promote the server or to help grow a new player base. The only attempt was when @ROZE created the Content Creator Program, which quickly died after his removal from the lead role. These are just a few things that came to mind that haven’t been mentioned here. I could go on and on regarding the illegal factions, but I think there are a couple of people here who know more than I do on that topic, like @Kev or @Clack, who were part of the Illegal Faction Team and also staff. I appreciate both of you for trying not to censor and for being open about the problems. As I said, I won’t continue for now because this could easily turn into a rant rather than constructive critique, and that’s not what I want. TLDR: RageMP development is unfinished, no sneak peeks or meaningful updates were given. Focus shifted away from the SA-MP server, despite its strong reopening performance. Staff selection often appeared based on personal connections or nepotism, with some showing little care for SA-MP. Roadmap features were mostly never implemented, the only monetized feature was custom skins, seen as a cash grab. Marketing efforts were minimal or ineffective, only short-lived initiatives like the Content Creator Program were attempted. Overall, the community’s potential has been mishandled, with a lack of clear direction, focus, and meaningful updates.

You guys had a great run. Best of luck to you all.

It’s quite ridiculous really that the exact same problems can repeat themselves 3 or 4 times and send more chunks of players away each time from 2021 to now. I fear that it’s badhbh attempting to formulate a response alongside the rest of management who don’t roleplay. Apart from her they have no idea what actually goes on in-game because they all roleplay robocop LEOs among themselves, so can you blame them for their lack of response here? I would love to see the insights from someone like bobster, node, Celestine, Izumi, dadoJ, etc about the roleplay that actually goes on here. I am not flaming, I mention the names because this is another concern people won’t say on this thread and I want to make it known. Really hoping we get a response soon because there is so much more that needs to be answered for, particularly extreme administrative corruption with a certain faction’s weapon warehouse.

They wanna descript you guys?? You gotta be shitting me 😂 This servers not in the position for that If someone opened Hello Kitty Play Time Cripz they should just hand them a drug and gun store, fuck it. Actually though, serious action needs to be taken to get new players logging in. Standards might have to take a hit, red tape removed, cheap guns and houses for anyone with half a brain.

What's currently happening to the server isn't the first time—this is almost an exact repeat of what led to its closure around 2021. Management made the same mistake back then, shifted their focus on V while letting SAMP sink. It was a good call to bring back SAMP, brought in fresh players, and reminded everyone why this place has lasted so long. But, I thought they gonna bring SAMP for few months and re-launch V ASAP, but it took almost 2 years and yet it's not relaunched despite the promises "SOON™" and ongoing work. Anyone who tried V knows the script itself wasn't the problem, we had all essenstial features to roleplay, but it flopped not because of the script, but because of the complete lack of transparency and the broken communication bridge between management and the players. At the end of the day, it's all about the quality of roleplay, the fun and memories. We all agree that 150 dedicated, high-quality roleplayers with the right staff is way better than a bloated server full of DMers, shitty roleplay. Management's one job right now is figuring out how to make LSRPV stay active with good roleplayers, Whether we like it or not, SAMP has a limited future—no matter how much we try to milk it. We don't have to compete with other servers on scripts. We can stand out with the quality of roleplay and a management team that truly listens to its community. There were so many SAMP servers with "better" scripts and features than LS-RP, but they couldn't reach us because of the incredible quality of roleplay, fun and for its simplicity. Please don't take that away from us. With the right plan we can do that again on V. It's all about the roleplay and fun. I can spend a day doing /me and /do lines without any other feature and yet I'd have spent a memory day with real roleplayers. Community is passionate and they do care, otherwise they wouldn't bother their ass to write thousand words. Leadership it's time to come out with a big announcement and clear the air for everyone.

Been reading this for a while and wanted to finally chime in since others asked. You need to separate facts from assumptions and lies. It is clear as days that the main reason why you are seeing a decline in the community now is from the mistakes that the leadership put forward along with putting people in positions where they shouldn’t have been from the get-go. The decision making around a lot of things started before the first batch of official factions even got announced after the relaunch of SAMP. @Brigone being one of the firsts to vocalize the problems that the server was facing along with calling out bullshit that people were doing from the admin team and leadership perspective. The only reason that didn’t go anywhere was simply because of one reason. One person leaving doesn’t matter to us only because the server is doing totally fine and one leaving isn’t going to cause much of an issue. In other words, the admin team and specifically people in recognizable positions were too comfortable and let the server flow on. The next batch of folks started leaving when you saw that there was no progression in the script itself. The server becomes stall when there’s clearly no progressive updates, a roadmap that is ultimately outdated, along with the attention being at two different places. Why are you building on a foundation that is already in shambles. I have been both in IFT, led an official illegal faction, led a legal faction, and eventually came into the staff team. Simply put, the culture is toxic in those ranks where you’re going to have three groups. The folks that are vocal, quiet, and shit talkers. I am not going to name anyone here nor do I care since I already have stopped playing in this community, but the vocal folks were already zoned out from folks that were in positions, and it was like we were going against a militia of a brick wall. @Kev and @Clack vocalized a lot of these things in the standard meetings we had along with suggestions that never went anywhere. Ultimately, the developer team got shifted like the times and nothing came out of it. All in all, the culture of this community was horrible in the admin ranks itself and the mentality majority held. I will not even get started in the legal side of the house and how people were harbored from punishments along with the recent things @Aloosh called out on the situation of alt accounts. Marketing isn’t going to help this community gain numbers if internally those issues weren’t fixed. And I’m answering that question now as well they’re not going to be fixed only because of people and their egos. When you do call them out for their bullshit then they get censored or messages are removed. It’s the easiest thing they’ve done and will do. The main problem was the staff itself, and the positions folks held. The regaining of numbers is unrealistic when the serious folks themselves stopped playing. It’ll be very hard to bring them back due to them firsthand seeing the drama in the staff side. All in all, the community needs to realize that censorship and poor decision making from many folks is the reason we are here. We warned them about 8 months back that this is what will happen and these kinds of threads are what you will have to deal with if you don’t give transparency, updates, and honesty. They lacked in every area and here we are. I don’t mean to rub or derail this topic in any way, but it was worth putting this out there that these attempts in the backend happened, but these are the consequences of getting brushed off.

This is the WHOLE point of this. Half of the community is banned because they thought they are above the COMMUNITY. YOU ARE NOT. Get your EGOS out of this thing and maybe start to actually enjoy the game? 😄

Mulled over for a bit and figured I'll leave a short comment to clarify on some things as well as express my personal stance. Whatever I say here is purely my own opinion and does not represent the staff team as a collective. As an admin whose focus is primarily on SAMP, I would like to see a healthy coexistence between both servers once RAGE launches. I hope that with enough effort, we can retain players that also prefer playing SAMP and build a community that is self-sustaining, albeit not as populous as before. The proposed idea of separate staff members for each server sounds promising, and is something I myself have forwarded to internal discussions. As for whether we have enough manpower to actually accomplish that remains to be seen. Reading through the well thought-out comments in this thread has given me hope that it might actually be possible, and everyone's input has been tremendously insightful to me. All I have to say about RAGE is that I hope it has a successful launch and that players who are more into V than SA will give it a chance. I've seen the behind-the-scenes work and there's really a lot to look forward to. It has features that I would give anything to have on SAMP but it's not very likely due to technological constraints and the fact that our codebase is older than some players in here. Still, I'm surprised and appreciative of how many people still would like to keep playing in SAMP, and I wish you guys would stop crashing out because in the event that we start to move forward more proactively and the issues are worked on, we ultimately still need roleplayers. And we can't roleplay if you're all banned lol

"We're building something here, we're building it from scratch. And all the pieces matter." I'll just leave this here.

The post above is from one year and two months ago, taken directly from @Martin_Busato's original thread. We all truly sleep in the bed we make. And if you sleep long enough on a badly made bed, you're bound to have nightmares.