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Right now, I'm looking at two servers. One has 339 players at the moment while the other has 13. Can you guess which one's the SAMP server? A certain minority might enjoy the nostalgia of it, but it still doesn't change the situation. Your average Joe does not want to play SAMP when they can do what they did with better graphics and better scripts.

ts been closed before the forum rollback, management's keeping it up for optics

Sure, we break some balls in here, but I go way back. Personally, I think the bottom line is do people want to roleplay or not? I'll admit, my take doesn't have a lot of nuance to it, as I don't have much experience with the staff and I've only been back on this server for a year, but my history with this place goes as far back as '09. Historically, the staff at large have notoriously been a tyrannical regime who log on to pat each other's backs and make life harder for everybody else, and while they may very well be mostly to blame for the dip in activity, I can't speak to it because I don't involve myself much in these things. The server has had its peaks and valleys, but when one group comes up something dynamite and shows a real passion for what they're doing, then that normally inspires more to follow. I think we have to get to the heart of this thing and address what we're all here to do, which is roleplay. Multiple people log onto this forum every day, more than 1,000 people are active on the server's Discord channel as we speak, and yet the server's activity is no where to be seen; barely anything out of RAGE, and yet people still dutifully log on, each week, to see how SAMP is doing. You do the math. @shotgun shawty I agree with most of the things you said, but this is pretty reductionist. The same could be said for any crime-based roleplay server, but interest has waned for you specifically. There's still people out there more than capable and willing to find new, original takes on that kind of roleplay, so if it isn't your cup of tea now, then fair enough. The game being old has nothing to do with it either, there are a lot of players who enjoy the novelty of it and prefer how its graphics and art style lend more toward the imagination.

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Not happening

Just mass unban everyone already and watch the PB go up what do we have to lose if they break rules just ban again

Unless management participates in these kind of threads, they render useless. Last thread was 8 pages with not a single comment from management (Oh my bad, they had one post saying not to doxx or flame or whatever and then closed it). The vets can toss ideas and reflect until next month but without management actively responding to them, which doesn't seem like they plan on doing, it's pointless.

The lack of transparency from staff to players and the lack of adequate punishments for cheaters and severe rule breakers are the main reasons for the downfall of LS-RP. This is a concern that me and multiple other dedicated IFT members raised ever since late Q1/early Q2 as we started recognizing the patterns that brought the server down back in 2020-2021. There are multiple threads that I have created back on the legacy forums, I would've gladly shared the link however those forums are currently down. One specific thread was in regards to players remaining unpunished for subpar roleplay (mainly in terms of provoking, robbing, deathmatch, etc), a thread that Martin Busato and Michael Dippolito were also contributing to and I am sure that they remember that. Veteran/experienced roleplayers didn't quit LS-RP because they got old or real life responsibilities took over. They gave up because of the standards of roleplay and this is something that players themselves cannot be blamed for as they are not the ones regulating the standards. The same 25+ year old players who were "tired of RP" are now very active on GTA World and I can assure you it's not because GTA V is much more pleasant to roleplay on - it's about the standard of roleplay. Many have complained about the over the top restrictions that World has however that approach is evidently working. It does get annoying at some point however it's simple quality assurance in terms of the overall standard of the community. You aren't able to speak your mind on LS-RP, let alone accuse certain individuals of ruining the server with their imcompetence as it is considered "bashing". You are also not able to lash our your frustration over things that you believe are absurd as that is also considered "bashing". The usual answer that you get from staff members to any of you "crying" is: "Why are you still playing then?" Once you create a "civil" general discussion like this one, it will inevitably grow into fed up players who have a genuine passion for the server to come and start "talking shit". I will refrain from using my regular approach to these kind of threads as I don't want to see this getting locked. I know they are just waiting for someone like me to pour their heart out and have an excuse to throw this in the bin. Many will ask me as to why I even bother commenting on this thread, considering that I am permanently banned and will most likely never be allowed back in the community. To give you my answer in advance, I truly cared for this community for many years and I wanted to share my two cents. Unfortunately, I don't see a scenario where players can regain the trust of the staff members and continue as if nothing happened. I became a Tester in early November and was basically advised by staff members to accept any incoming applications, as long as they haven't used ChatGPT in their stories. That itself shows how we have allowed literally anyone to join the server with the hopes of increasing the playerbase. We allowed the migration of players coming from low tier roleplay servers to disrupt the roleplay of veterans, leaving their subpar roleplay unpunished because "we need players". That only made experienced roleplayers leave and you were left with the players who can barely string any decent /me or /do without the usage of ChatGPT. TLDR: Management is at fault. No future for LS-RP without transparency and genuine dedication.

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Did we really think this would be anything like LS-RP "v1"? To the unware eyes this was just a money scheme. What happened to not re-opening LS-RP because rights and permissions were needed? That soon went out the window when the heads saw the crazy blossom of Red County RP. Just weird how LS-RP decided to re open a few months later after Red County after telling the community numerous times that it was never happening and "legally" cannot happen. It was a fun first few months, a refresh back into SAMP roleplay but of course, the dictatorship came as it always did. It's like a red or blue pill scenario, you make a set of people happy and sacrifice the other group and this whole journey has been a blue print of that. An insane amount of favouritism was shown to various groups while the others were basically told to suck it up but that's how its always been so it was really nothing new. We couldn't of expected any sort of great change from Mmartin when his track record consists of going AWOL, leaving issues or development on the back burner and having his pawns to twiddle their fingers and just figure out how to run it. But I will admit you did fool me with the UCP voting system on stuff we want. Fair play, but just goes to show how incapable Mmartin is at keeping his word. If you're wondering on how you can fix this, you can't. Just let it go, the reality is this should've never happened and only did because the potential for money was apparent. The removal of the bronze, silver and gold packages? Making one package a $20 p/m scheme? You cannot tell me money wasn't the motivation here. Overpriced shit. The whole point of the donation system is to support the server. Support what exactly? Support admins giving unfair verdicts? Making staff reports for it to still be denied? Letting the suggestion section pile up and ignoring it? Leading people on and giving false hope? The fall is bitter sweet. The staff team took a change a while back seeing people go and still then it's been a mess. The only high power admin I can speak good about is risen. You can say whatever you want about him but when the server was experiencing the random loss of weapons, this man was the only person to actually look into it and sort it. The others who I won't name couldn't give a fuck. And I messaged all of them and all just ignored me. Now what sort of "lead admin" team is that? When you're put into that position you don't fall back and relax, you're suppose to guide and sort out issues, you have certain permissions over other admin levels specifically to resolve issues and you all choose to do nothing with it? This isn't a virtual celebrity ring, you're nothing special outside of LS-RP, the need to act like you are is laughable. You're admin for a reason, do your job, help the community, stop acting like a bighead. A mass unban solves nothing. A change in the structure will change nothing. LSRP is nothing more than a hvh server now. The games old, it's more or less a recycling server now. How different can you RP from the last ten years? As a community we've seen every scripted LCN dialog, every Sureno kite stabbing, every Crip and Blood war. It's bland, boring, old and recycled.

Who's at fault for this current state? The answer is fiddy-fiddy. 50% players fault 50% staffs fault When LSRP reopened the interest was very clearly there. We all wanted one last ride. It wasn't long before the mistakes of the past from both the community as well as staff started to resurface. The golden age of LSRP where everyone shat on everyone was still present. We all collectively brought the server to this state and blaming the staff alone is hypocrisy. The ship hasn't sunk yet and there's no guarantee it's salvageable at this point but it's worth a shot. I agree with Busato that a change at the top is required. However I do not think we should vote for one person to take over the reins and hope for the best. Whenever 1 person ran the entire community, sooner or later we always end up in this exact spot. I think all members of staff should collectively run and decide everything, and the community should vote for the members of staff instead. Further more, I also think we need to completely get rid of admin ranks in order for this to work. I also think all members of staff need to be paid. How little of much it doesn't matter. Simplify the system. Lose having to go on the forums to apply for everything. Allow players to start companies instantly in game. Allow players to instantly lease businesses wherever they want. Helicopter money to anyone creating RP around these 2 systems. Kill LSRP V entirely. The chances of it succeeding are lesser than the chances of SAMP staying alive at this point. World owns GTA V. Come to terms with this reality and try to salvage what remains. Lastly, and most importantly: FUCK KRISK FUCK KIRIL SOKOLOV FREE SHARIF REYNOLDS FREE RIVA FREE ASESINO FREE DAMIANC UP BAHDBH AND RYE FUCK GTA WORLD

this goes crazy 🔥

I shit on Valenti a lot because it's fun, and troll on here but in all honesty, you done fucked up people The simple fact that you banned almost all of the decent players (there's good factions around, but obviously cannot hold up this server) because of idiotic reasons and as a staff, could not take accountability to the fact that you had a shit management is the problem. And this problem won't change. When I had my faction running at the start of the SAMP revamp (say what you want about our quality of rp, your thoughts, etc, I don't give fuck. Simply correlating my point in a generic sense) we were actively role playing and contributing. How df does it take the staff team (at the time) 3 OOC months to approve business requests, and then another 2-3 months to even consider our strawmen requests and schemes which were ultimately shot down. This staff team has alienated this community to the point of mediocrity and complete failure. Wanna see the PB boom and have maybe one small sliver of hope? 1. Unban everyone and begin accepting applications without holding a gun to their heads. 2. Enforce strict rules, and discipline as necessary to ensure a seamless transition of an increased PB. 3. Process any and all applications in no more than a 2 week review period (if as a staff you're overworked, then figure it out. That's literally your position). 4. Drop LSRPV, either ride this shit out to the fullest or focus on 1 thing at a time. You will never be successful managing 1 failing server and trying to develop another failure. This is common sense and the fact that you continue to think it'll work is crazy. 5. Use Reddit, Steam, and Discord for mass advertising. Youtube and all that other shit doesn't work, and is labor intensive. If you make short reels of engaging rp, it'll entice players and bring back old ones. 6. Someone said it, but remove @Mmartin and replace his ass with someone who gives a fuck, and can explain where LSRP's money went all these years. He's dead weight, once you can come to terms with this then can a new kingpin drown the community's thirst for intense role play. I guarantee you if I was unbanned (not that I care to be at this point, but I guess I still give a shit about this community because of nostalgia) I can bring 6-7 players with me. There are other banned players I know who can do the same. It's really not a hard concept.

this hard asf

LSRP has developed the SAMP server to the point that there's just simply nothing else to do, and even if there was, there's not enough developers for the job. We're about to hit 2026. Let's accept that SAMP is obsolete and there is virtually no point spending resources into it. The SAMP server had its brain death years ago. The heart is beating, people get the illusion that SAMP might survive, but in reality, it died a long time ago. We hate to see the server we spent our childhoods on get closed, but conservatism of something that no longer has interest is just bad. I personally think that the SAMP server should just be allowed to have the peaceful death it rightfully deserves after decades of roleplay and stay as a wonderful memory in our heads instead of a last ditch effort gone wrong. RageMP is the only way to ensure LSRP's survival. This is just simple facts. If anything, LSRP was extremely delayed to make the move to RageMP. GTA5, in every single aspect, is superior to the literal team deathmatch server we had on SAMP since 2024. For more than five years, people have migrated from LSRP to GTAW, because it was just simply the same thing they had in LSRP, but with better scripts, better graphics, and better everything, yet for some reason we're still insisting on trying to bring back SAMP to life. The player counts speak for themselves. Your average Joe is no longer interested in a 20 year old "nostalgia" that is being clowned on by insiders, and outsiders. Being in LSRP used to mean something back in the days. It doesn't mean shit anymore because we just kept trying to revive a corpse that died in 2021 with false hopes and false promises. It's over guys. Just like everything in life, SAMP finally died, whether we like it or not.

Thank you to the admins for letting this topic breathe and everyone for the respectful responses and valuable contributions to this discussion. Many excellent insights and ideas are coming in. Let's keep that going and hopefully someone from the administration is compiling a list of suggestions to consider going forward.

I get where you're coming from because when staff had decided to turn back to SAMP instead of Rage, it was the exact same thing that happened. Players joined the team showing solely interest in SAMP and not Rage, this is over a year ago I'm speaking in perspective of, when it first relaunched. Every new member of the staff joined only showing interest in SAMP and not Rage. Soo I understand your point of view from a different observation because, exactly how you are describing how you felt the staff team direction was heading into RAGE over SAMP for the past six months. And I completely agree with you, that it should be divided into two sections, if we're gonna keep both platforms open. End of the day, we've got a community set in two different directions no matter how you look at things. Now from my point of view, the main concern of this topic for the SAMP players is there isn't enough SAMP updates coming out for players to keep interest in LSRP SAMP, because the current Devs are mainly involved in the RAGE side of things, and weren't interested in SAMP to begin with. Yes, a year ago? There was a good few Devs onboard in the team, as well as testers which all arrived solely for SAMP, now for me personally at that time I was disappointed that this wave come only showing interest in SAMP and not trying to help RAGE reform itself, but I understand that people just have their own interest and opinions; soo why pursue them to help out in something they don't want to help out in. Two weeks into SAMP opening it was pretty clear that people who wanted to come in as staff members for SAMP didn't have the drive or commitment to actually overall help the server grow, Devs at that time were pushing out modules to have about five to ten percent of the SAMP dedicated testers not even help with testing the modules, which frustrated those Devs and in turn made them leave; and those testers were eventually as well removed for not helping to commit to the server. Again, this is just my point of view from what I witnessed in my time. Only thing I could really add to try and assist LSRP SAMP is if any of you know a Dev that can code in SAMP and is interested in doing that type of thing, let them know about the concerns and ask them to apply for a position, if you want to help the server out yourself but don't have any coding skills? Apply to become a tester when a committed Dev to SAMP arrives to help them test modules and push out updates regularly.

I don't mean to derail at all. But the damage is absolutely done. We lost valuable members and reliable admins that quite clearly cared yesterday. Community members including myself and others were banned/suspended from the forums for no reason. Aloosh and Maxolino is no longer an admin. Between the last thread and every other threads in the past there is way to much valuable information about what comes next. I'd love to see motivated community members play a more significant role on forums and on the server. I think it is safe to say that we're all so freaking exhausted trying to just express our feelings which always almost ends up going over ears and eyes that aren't ready to hear or see. The current server situation is just pitiful and again community members are here to push the server in a different direction, but the solution ends up just getting slashed by admins. I've spent about fifteen years on this server... There is no game quite like LSRP on SAMP and there will never be one again unless we all band together, listen to the ugly freaking truth and push this community forward.

rollin crip thats da gvngk

The truth is, the way RAGE was introduced as the future and vision for LSRP and its community is absolutely ridiculous. At first, I didn’t pay it much attention, but over the past six or so months, I’ve come to realise that half the staff team aren’t here to support the only platform we currently have up and running. Most are hogging their roles while waiting for RAGE. That hasn’t only created a divide within the team but has also made things very discouraging for the community. Staff members are failing to realise that SA:MP still has potential, still will have potential, and just needs the right people who share the same passion to keep it running. What’s the point of having testers on our current platform when they’re not interested in it? I really tried to make sense of it but couldn’t. Now that this division exists within the staff, I think it’s time for management to make it official. If staff members aren’t interested in SA:MP, split them. Have those who share a passion for this platform perform and actually partake in vital roles for it. There’s no reason for the head of any team to hold their role when they have no interest in SA:MP. It’s time for everybody to pull their weight, from staff to community. I’ve read a couple of decent suggestions made by Voronov, and I stand by them. It would be great to create an economy other than guns and drugs for illegal factions. This is why I always hoped for an inventory system, like I mentioned in the previous thread. There are endless possibilities once items are actually introduced to the server. Like Martin Busato also mentioned, any money made from SA:MP should have been pumped back into it. I do understand that there aren’t many developers who share the same passion some of us do when it comes to SA:MP, but at the same time, we’re not actively recruiting for one. Management should be looking to recruit developers for SA:MP, especially those who show interest. The more, the merrier. Furthermore, there should be a capable person managing those developers, and a project or two should be pushed out for SA:MP every couple of months. If, however, we do not find any, the money made from donations should be used to help bolster this platform. Whether it’s for development or marketing, anything at this point would mean a lot. I’d really like to go into more detail, but I honestly fear that this thread will derail, eventually get locked, and that my posts will get removed. I’ll wait and see how this one goes before I take the time to write anything else.

I'm kinda a new player on this community, joined in June 2025. It was an amazing half a year where I could develop my RP and also my English skills that were wack. I met one of the best collectives I could've find and I got along with them really good showing that I'm trustworthy. For that, even I've landed late on this server with so much heritage, I felt every session of gameplay. I had the chance to meet older and experienced players that brought the lore with their RP skills. Please, don't let this die, not now. As many said here, LSRP is known for the SAMP scene. If you want to /sell/ your product to the mases you should aim for the feelings first and show the community a straight direction without cloudy ways. /The man/ laying almost dead on the hospital still breaths, hardly but it does, at least. There's still hope. I think there's no better to do for the server, mapping it's cool, the systems need a little fixing, etc. Nothing on Earth it's perfect and people should unite, showing a honorably last dance that beautiful even the trollers and LSRP's biggest haters would love to join and fix their behaviour. I don't know what's the hype for GTA V, there's also World who took the floor and as @kermit said: Their assets and goods are there, no one's looking to farm their days again.

I honestly think before LSRP V is even considered to launch; what would the lore of that server even be? Is it a continuation of the lore from LSRP SAMP carried over? Or is it going to be a completely new environment, with new characters, new factions and a new server lore? I find it really difficult to differentiate between them because at the beginning of LSRP V’s launch we were told we couldn’t roleplay Valenti because it is a new universe and new lore. Yet, people were still carrying their trade mark names from LSRP SAMP (an example being Natasha Valentine) and carrying them over. This is also something that needs to be clarified and set in stone. Some factions that were a thing on LSRP SAMP were allowed to cross over while some weren’t.

Sadly this'll just fall on deaf ears. I appreciate that there are still some people who believe LSRP will remain on SAMP but concerns has been voiced before and to be honest, Mmartin won't hand off LSRP to anyone aslong as they have this dream idea of LSRP V being their saviour they never received.

Lets gooo🔥

writing this in phone I have been apart of this community since 2018, known about it since around 2016 over the years I’ve matured, been through relationships and seen this server in so many ways. I’ve found out so much about myself specifically thanks to this server it re-sparked the creativity I once had that was sucked out of me when I was even younger. It’s helped me through dark times, that especially helped me get my creative control back (as seen from my latest character stories) that fuelled me to keep going and see screenshot editing as an artform, kind of like writing a book or painting a picture to a story, that being one of the main reasons I haven’t used the auto screenshot tools and stuck solely to photoshop all these years. I’ve seen the history, dramas, notable factions and the legacy many have left and through all the “samp is dead” messages we’ve all lived through that are probably in the thousands, most of us refused to give up. SAMP will always have the vibe that GTA 5 servers could never replicate and after seeing the huge downfall of LSRP v first launch, I think many of us would agree it will be a disaster once again. I believe many would agree with me that instead of migrating to LSRP v they would rather go back to gta w since they either: already have accounts or friends or ingame assets which they don’t want to grind for again. A lot of us prefer SAMP for the simplicity of it, most of us have been around so long we know the map and functions and what objects have collisions and what can stop bullets by memory. This can’t be said for most of us if we are forced to move to LSRP v as a lot of us do. My thoughts on the matter on even just a tiny bump of revival, especially if mmartin has the email accounts that have been used all this time that might still exist in a mysql database somewhere, is do something similar littleitaly rp does I had completely forgotten I made an account there, but still get emails to my crappy school email I made 14 years ago about major updates. This might sound tedious but I see it as a “We’re still here and we haven’t forgotten you” type of way, sure you cant filter out all the bad apples but what can you do. This idea wasn’t directly inspired by the emails I got, but rather a few years ago I was outside with my friends and this one dude was on a mental health walk or something (i seriously don’t really know what he was up to nor can I remember his name he literally just joined us and talked about his life) and while chatting we got into gaming and he mentioned this one server he used to play called LSRP, my mind went fuckin wild realising the age this dude is and the fact the server I play on that was currently still regarded as my “Childhood” that was also his childhood though he was way older made me realise he really has been around that long, I mentioned it to him that it’s still up and alive and swell (this was way before the first shutdown and major ddos attacks) and he talked a bit about the server, the factions that were around then and notable players he remembered even asked if him or that guy or she still play, which I had no answer for (I couldn’t remember or didn’t know those people) but could comfort with the fact that many from his era are still around. I might’ve made him return to the server or even got him rewatching old clips from the server where he used to spend his days in. The moral of this story is, this server has been around for so long, It’s been an amazing way for people to find out more about themself and what they’re interested in, hell YBN nahmir’s lyrics are probably from his characters from this very server, but migrating to LSRP v is not a good idea, I just hope that if it does migrate, the samp server stays with the a before mentioned and I do not wish to continue on a gta 5 platform that a lot of us aren’t accustom to nor have any nostalgia, passion, artistic expression both by skins and screenshots and the way you type your /me’s and /my’s, funding (have you seen the recent ram prices??) and simplicity. It is now 1:45 AM I don’t even know if I made any sense but, heres hoping samp strives for another few years.