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LSRP has developed the SAMP server to the point that there's just simply nothing else to do, and even if there was, there's not enough developers for the job. We're about to hit 2026. Let's accept that SAMP is obsolete and there is virtually no point spending resources into it. The SAMP server had its brain death years ago. The heart is beating, people get the illusion that SAMP might survive, but in reality, it died a long time ago. We hate to see the server we spent our childhoods on get closed, but conservatism of something that no longer has interest is just bad. I personally think that the SAMP server should just be allowed to have the peaceful death it rightfully deserves after decades of roleplay and stay as a wonderful memory in our heads instead of a last ditch effort gone wrong. RageMP is the only way to ensure LSRP's survival. This is just simple facts. If anything, LSRP was extremely delayed to make the move to RageMP. GTA5, in every single aspect, is superior to the literal team deathmatch server we had on SAMP since 2024. For more than five years, people have migrated from LSRP to GTAW, because it was just simply the same thing they had in LSRP, but with better scripts, better graphics, and better everything, yet for some reason we're still insisting on trying to bring back SAMP to life. The player counts speak for themselves. Your average Joe is no longer interested in a 20 year old "nostalgia" that is being clowned on by insiders, and outsiders. Being in LSRP used to mean something back in the days. It doesn't mean shit anymore because we just kept trying to revive a corpse that died in 2021 with false hopes and false promises. It's over guys. Just like everything in life, SAMP finally died, whether we like it or not.

Thank you to the admins for letting this topic breathe and everyone for the respectful responses and valuable contributions to this discussion. Many excellent insights and ideas are coming in. Let's keep that going and hopefully someone from the administration is compiling a list of suggestions to consider going forward.

I get where you're coming from because when staff had decided to turn back to SAMP instead of Rage, it was the exact same thing that happened. Players joined the team showing solely interest in SAMP and not Rage, this is over a year ago I'm speaking in perspective of, when it first relaunched. Every new member of the staff joined only showing interest in SAMP and not Rage. Soo I understand your point of view from a different observation because, exactly how you are describing how you felt the staff team direction was heading into RAGE over SAMP for the past six months. And I completely agree with you, that it should be divided into two sections, if we're gonna keep both platforms open. End of the day, we've got a community set in two different directions no matter how you look at things. Now from my point of view, the main concern of this topic for the SAMP players is there isn't enough SAMP updates coming out for players to keep interest in LSRP SAMP, because the current Devs are mainly involved in the RAGE side of things, and weren't interested in SAMP to begin with. Yes, a year ago? There was a good few Devs onboard in the team, as well as testers which all arrived solely for SAMP, now for me personally at that time I was disappointed that this wave come only showing interest in SAMP and not trying to help RAGE reform itself, but I understand that people just have their own interest and opinions; soo why pursue them to help out in something they don't want to help out in. Two weeks into SAMP opening it was pretty clear that people who wanted to come in as staff members for SAMP didn't have the drive or commitment to actually overall help the server grow, Devs at that time were pushing out modules to have about five to ten percent of the SAMP dedicated testers not even help with testing the modules, which frustrated those Devs and in turn made them leave; and those testers were eventually as well removed for not helping to commit to the server. Again, this is just my point of view from what I witnessed in my time. Only thing I could really add to try and assist LSRP SAMP is if any of you know a Dev that can code in SAMP and is interested in doing that type of thing, let them know about the concerns and ask them to apply for a position, if you want to help the server out yourself but don't have any coding skills? Apply to become a tester when a committed Dev to SAMP arrives to help them test modules and push out updates regularly.

I don't mean to derail at all. But the damage is absolutely done. We lost valuable members and reliable admins that quite clearly cared yesterday. Community members including myself and others were banned/suspended from the forums for no reason. Aloosh and Maxolino is no longer an admin. Between the last thread and every other threads in the past there is way to much valuable information about what comes next. I'd love to see motivated community members play a more significant role on forums and on the server. I think it is safe to say that we're all so freaking exhausted trying to just express our feelings which always almost ends up going over ears and eyes that aren't ready to hear or see. The current server situation is just pitiful and again community members are here to push the server in a different direction, but the solution ends up just getting slashed by admins. I've spent about fifteen years on this server... There is no game quite like LSRP on SAMP and there will never be one again unless we all band together, listen to the ugly freaking truth and push this community forward.

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The truth is, the way RAGE was introduced as the future and vision for LSRP and its community is absolutely ridiculous. At first, I didn’t pay it much attention, but over the past six or so months, I’ve come to realise that half the staff team aren’t here to support the only platform we currently have up and running. Most are hogging their roles while waiting for RAGE. That hasn’t only created a divide within the team but has also made things very discouraging for the community. Staff members are failing to realise that SA:MP still has potential, still will have potential, and just needs the right people who share the same passion to keep it running. What’s the point of having testers on our current platform when they’re not interested in it? I really tried to make sense of it but couldn’t. Now that this division exists within the staff, I think it’s time for management to make it official. If staff members aren’t interested in SA:MP, split them. Have those who share a passion for this platform perform and actually partake in vital roles for it. There’s no reason for the head of any team to hold their role when they have no interest in SA:MP. It’s time for everybody to pull their weight, from staff to community. I’ve read a couple of decent suggestions made by Voronov, and I stand by them. It would be great to create an economy other than guns and drugs for illegal factions. This is why I always hoped for an inventory system, like I mentioned in the previous thread. There are endless possibilities once items are actually introduced to the server. Like Martin Busato also mentioned, any money made from SA:MP should have been pumped back into it. I do understand that there aren’t many developers who share the same passion some of us do when it comes to SA:MP, but at the same time, we’re not actively recruiting for one. Management should be looking to recruit developers for SA:MP, especially those who show interest. The more, the merrier. Furthermore, there should be a capable person managing those developers, and a project or two should be pushed out for SA:MP every couple of months. If, however, we do not find any, the money made from donations should be used to help bolster this platform. Whether it’s for development or marketing, anything at this point would mean a lot. I’d really like to go into more detail, but I honestly fear that this thread will derail, eventually get locked, and that my posts will get removed. I’ll wait and see how this one goes before I take the time to write anything else.

I'm kinda a new player on this community, joined in June 2025. It was an amazing half a year where I could develop my RP and also my English skills that were wack. I met one of the best collectives I could've find and I got along with them really good showing that I'm trustworthy. For that, even I've landed late on this server with so much heritage, I felt every session of gameplay. I had the chance to meet older and experienced players that brought the lore with their RP skills. Please, don't let this die, not now. As many said here, LSRP is known for the SAMP scene. If you want to /sell/ your product to the mases you should aim for the feelings first and show the community a straight direction without cloudy ways. /The man/ laying almost dead on the hospital still breaths, hardly but it does, at least. There's still hope. I think there's no better to do for the server, mapping it's cool, the systems need a little fixing, etc. Nothing on Earth it's perfect and people should unite, showing a honorably last dance that beautiful even the trollers and LSRP's biggest haters would love to join and fix their behaviour. I don't know what's the hype for GTA V, there's also World who took the floor and as @kermit said: Their assets and goods are there, no one's looking to farm their days again.

I honestly think before LSRP V is even considered to launch; what would the lore of that server even be? Is it a continuation of the lore from LSRP SAMP carried over? Or is it going to be a completely new environment, with new characters, new factions and a new server lore? I find it really difficult to differentiate between them because at the beginning of LSRP V’s launch we were told we couldn’t roleplay Valenti because it is a new universe and new lore. Yet, people were still carrying their trade mark names from LSRP SAMP (an example being Natasha Valentine) and carrying them over. This is also something that needs to be clarified and set in stone. Some factions that were a thing on LSRP SAMP were allowed to cross over while some weren’t.

Sadly this'll just fall on deaf ears. I appreciate that there are still some people who believe LSRP will remain on SAMP but concerns has been voiced before and to be honest, Mmartin won't hand off LSRP to anyone aslong as they have this dream idea of LSRP V being their saviour they never received.

Lets gooo🔥

writing this in phone I have been apart of this community since 2018, known about it since around 2016 over the years I’ve matured, been through relationships and seen this server in so many ways. I’ve found out so much about myself specifically thanks to this server it re-sparked the creativity I once had that was sucked out of me when I was even younger. It’s helped me through dark times, that especially helped me get my creative control back (as seen from my latest character stories) that fuelled me to keep going and see screenshot editing as an artform, kind of like writing a book or painting a picture to a story, that being one of the main reasons I haven’t used the auto screenshot tools and stuck solely to photoshop all these years. I’ve seen the history, dramas, notable factions and the legacy many have left and through all the “samp is dead” messages we’ve all lived through that are probably in the thousands, most of us refused to give up. SAMP will always have the vibe that GTA 5 servers could never replicate and after seeing the huge downfall of LSRP v first launch, I think many of us would agree it will be a disaster once again. I believe many would agree with me that instead of migrating to LSRP v they would rather go back to gta w since they either: already have accounts or friends or ingame assets which they don’t want to grind for again. A lot of us prefer SAMP for the simplicity of it, most of us have been around so long we know the map and functions and what objects have collisions and what can stop bullets by memory. This can’t be said for most of us if we are forced to move to LSRP v as a lot of us do. My thoughts on the matter on even just a tiny bump of revival, especially if mmartin has the email accounts that have been used all this time that might still exist in a mysql database somewhere, is do something similar littleitaly rp does I had completely forgotten I made an account there, but still get emails to my crappy school email I made 14 years ago about major updates. This might sound tedious but I see it as a “We’re still here and we haven’t forgotten you” type of way, sure you cant filter out all the bad apples but what can you do. This idea wasn’t directly inspired by the emails I got, but rather a few years ago I was outside with my friends and this one dude was on a mental health walk or something (i seriously don’t really know what he was up to nor can I remember his name he literally just joined us and talked about his life) and while chatting we got into gaming and he mentioned this one server he used to play called LSRP, my mind went fuckin wild realising the age this dude is and the fact the server I play on that was currently still regarded as my “Childhood” that was also his childhood though he was way older made me realise he really has been around that long, I mentioned it to him that it’s still up and alive and swell (this was way before the first shutdown and major ddos attacks) and he talked a bit about the server, the factions that were around then and notable players he remembered even asked if him or that guy or she still play, which I had no answer for (I couldn’t remember or didn’t know those people) but could comfort with the fact that many from his era are still around. I might’ve made him return to the server or even got him rewatching old clips from the server where he used to spend his days in. The moral of this story is, this server has been around for so long, It’s been an amazing way for people to find out more about themself and what they’re interested in, hell YBN nahmir’s lyrics are probably from his characters from this very server, but migrating to LSRP v is not a good idea, I just hope that if it does migrate, the samp server stays with the a before mentioned and I do not wish to continue on a gta 5 platform that a lot of us aren’t accustom to nor have any nostalgia, passion, artistic expression both by skins and screenshots and the way you type your /me’s and /my’s, funding (have you seen the recent ram prices??) and simplicity. It is now 1:45 AM I don’t even know if I made any sense but, heres hoping samp strives for another few years.

Do not delete this one, LSRP helped me through a lot.

The Mexican Mafia / Politics on the Pavement I

The Mexican Mafia / Politics on the Pavement I

I’d like to start this post with a big gratitude to the people operating behind the scenes to make the server last this long. The truth is that from my perspective as just a roleplayer of the community there isn’t a whole lot that I am aware of what it takes to do tedious things like develop and invest in projects tailored to satisfy a big community. Having been apart of this server since 2011, and witnessing different phases of management and FM, the way that I view things now is that everyone has their idea of what they think is good for the server and while it may rub off on other people the wrong way, I know that none of it was in vain. There isn’t one specific demographic of people in this community to blame for the state of the server, because every one of us has contributed to the current state of it. There are bad apples in every genre. Depending on the course of how this topic proceeds I would love to elaborate more, but I’m curious to see how this will be navigated because the players who want to put in the effort to make things better gets mixed in with those who strive to be nothing but an utter nuisance. I’d like the staff team to please consider separating those who offer constructive criticism into perhaps a private user group with this goal in mind. For those who are immature, toxic, and doxxing please keep them far away from the topic at hand.

The old is dying and the new cannot be born

I would like to preface this post by first begging administration to let this thread run its course unless it is absolutely derailed to the point of idiocy. Let the discourse flow. I have, embarrassingly, been a part of this server since early 2008. My 12 year old self would ask I be euthanized if he knew I was still roleplaying at my current age. However, I have always had a soft spot for this community and the people that make it up. Roleplay is a hobby that keeps the brain fresh and creative. I am too old to employ ChatGPT in this response. These words come from my beating, probably-autistic heart. I have been around for the entirety of LS-RP's latest return. I watched it start off firing, continue strong and exceed my own expectations of longevity by more than a year. I have had some of the best roleplay of my entire cursed tenure in this iteration. I have now watched, sighing, as it degrades. There is not one single reason or issue to point to, but instead, a host of many. This last run was doomed to fail from Ground Zero. I expected nothing of it, and it continued to defy and surprise me everyday. GTA World has the playerbase, the features, the map - all a roleplayer with something better than an ancient laptop could desire. It, however, lacks LS-RP's innate soul. GTA World is not LS-RP. Do I know how to salvage this server? No. Do I think an aggressive marketing campaign will save it? No. Easy requests have been delayed, scripting has grated down to a standstill, and the only good administrators we have have somehow become a lightning rod for the frustration everyone feels. Do I attribute these issues to a single individual? No, the rot is systemic. Grow up if you're trying to affix blame to a single individual. Is there administration that should have long ago lost their title? Yes. Many of these others however, as aforementioned, are the only ones fighting to make the situation better and breathe life into a sever already gasping for its own. Stop shitting on them. They are the only thing keeping this Titanic-after-iceberg afloat. As we sit here and debate how to save a dying, geriatric body, I see only one way forward. It's bringing that soul back. Countless hours have been spent chasing away factions comprised of some of the best roleplayers I know in an attempt to punish the lowest percentile of their membership. Meanwhile, spree-robbers and moronic behavior runs rampant and untouched. If you want this shit to last, it's time to get in-game and lead by example. Create the change you want to see in this world. Create a community of roleplayers that people want to join. If we wanted to leave and discard this server, we all would have left already and wouldn't waste time typing up a response like this. The manifesto? I can only speak to my specific niche on the server. Center it around roleplay. We have a roster of strong official factions. Concentrate features into their hands. Encourage systems that allow them to connect with unofficial factions and water the plants seeded by these new factions. Create an ecosystem wherein factions are forced to rely on one another to achieve their aims. Narrow the scope of schemes and material distribution and force factions to center their aims into singular ones. X faction should be the kingpin of cocaine, while another should have the means to launder money. A third faction should pioneer good chopshop-based roleplay, while the fourth spends their time researching how to best portray the marijuana grow op they have in their basement in-game. These are limited examples that could easily be implemented. Reflect real life criminality. Encourage interplay between these groups, not because it results in cool screenshots, but instead, because it creates a semblance of necessity in sustaining their own faction’s expansion. The best roleplayers I know have always been encyclopedias of knowledge in their specific lane. Encourage this specialization. Stop policing concepts so harshly when the activity and wherewithal is not there to sustain or even acknowledge their approval. Let people cook. The second order of importance is clarity. Too many discussions occur behind closed doors. As a member of IFT, my ilk and myself are guilty of this. Expose everything to the soul of this community - the players. Act on their suggestions when good immediately, and offer insight as how to improve upon ideas when they're bad or otherwise lacking. The administration should not be a separate body from the players overseeing them, but instead, a sounding board for the players they are representing. Make it political. There should be no tenure for administrators that aren't enacting the goals of the general populace. Administrators should not be private police, but the speaking output for those they represent. To stifle discussion is to make your own job irrelevant. Unless blatant bullshit is happening, let everyone say their piece in the agora that is this server. Lastly, and most importantly: FUCK KRISK FUCK KIRIL SOKOLOV FREE SHARIF REYNOLDS FREE RIVA FREE ASESINO FREE DAMIANC UP BAHDBH AND RYE FUCK GTA WORLD We can all watch this server die a slow, awkward death or we can take steps to be the change we wish to see in it. For many of us, this is our last chance at roleplaying and comprising membership of the server we want to see. Clown on this post to your heart's content. I have searched all of my empty pockets and cannot find a fuck to give.

For those who missed it: there was a general discussion topic called "Will LSRP survive?" that went viral yesterday which was flooded with constructive criticism and solutions to improve LSRP. The thread was locked in response to a small minority of people doxxing, leaking staff information and derailing, and someone within the staff team crashed out and merged all of the faction threads into Bellantonio's. This prompted staff to rollback the forums to recover the faction forum, which resulted in the deletion of this topic. I've been told others have tried reposting it only for it to be deleted again but I'll give it another go, although I want to frame the discussion slightly differently to push for a more positive, solution-based discussion. Censorship certainly isn't the answer here and will only serve to shatter any trust left in staff and push the few players left out the door. Please keep this thread up if you know what's best for the server. If people are derailing or breaking rules, deal with those individuals accordingly but the rest of us who wish to see LSRP revived should be allowed to say our piece. Roughly a year ago I posted the first iteration of this topic and it was received quite well by everyone. I was very pleased with the staff response and moderation of the topic, but seeing what happened with the topic yesterday was a reversion to the kind of censorship LSRP had been known for years ago and was deeply disappointing. Linked below is the topic I posted last year which goes into detail about my vision for LSRP and is ripe full of great ideas put forth by the community: A VISION FOR THE FUTURE - Page 15 - General Discussions Archive - Los Santos Roleplay Today, however, my post (initially written as a response to the topic that was deleted yesterday) will focus on what I believe to be the crux of the issue. Given my faction has been staring down the barrel of description threats recently, I don't take posting this lightly but I want LSRP to succeed and believe it needs to be said. I want to start off by acknowledging and thanking the staff members who have helped make LSRP be a great place to roleplay over the years. As a member of this community since 2009, former member of Faction Management, an official faction leader from 2018-2024 and having still represented Valenti in many of our correspondences with Illegal Faction Council beyond that, I’d be remiss not to highlight the vast improvements seen in the Illegal Faction Team in particular compared to past eras where it was marred with incompetence, toxicity, and corruption. Factions today have access to more perks than ever before, official faction selections have been handled sensibly for the most part, and the IFT has generally been more supportive and transparent than ever before. Despite recent disagreements with IFC's handling of my faction, I greatly appreciated the honesty, accountability, insight and consideration shown by @Aloosh, @Rye and @unlawfulact in their responses yesterday and this gave me a renewed sense of confidence that the IFT is still in good hands. I'd also like to thank @badhbh and @Dos Santos for their immense dedication to this server and being a pleasure to deal with during my time as an official faction leader last year. When we brought Valenti back, I urged our people to set the bar low in terms of expectations for LSRP. Not because I didn’t believe in the potential for a major comeback on SAMP, but because the staff, more specifically, the management, had let this community down time and time again, and the return of the SAMP server seemed more like a last-ditch marketing gimmick for LSRPV than anything else. I wanted our people to enjoy this last ride as much as we can without dwelling on the failures of the staff team. Fortunately, despite the recent decline, this SAMP run overall has exceeded my expectations and much of that is thanks to the staff putting forth more of an effort to satisfy the community’s wishes, at least initially. Beyond that, the success affirmed that there is still an appetite and market for SAMP. Unfortunately, that market is shrinking by the day and will vanish if things don’t improve in quick order. I’ve only recently returned to playing after a year-long hiatus so I’m admittedly writing this from a limited perspective, but I’ve kept in the loop and been around long enough to pinpoint what I believe to be the main reason LSRP is on a steep decline: inactivity, complacency and a lack of leadership at the management level. No, this is not the only problem. Yes, I do agree with much of what was said in the discussion yesterday, but many of those problems are symptoms of this primary issue. When @Mmartin and Surreal took over from Damian, I showed my support publicly and still believe it was a much-needed change at the time. Some positive changes were made over the years and when Mmartin was actively contributing, developing and engaging with the community earlier in this run, the community was undoubtedly better for it; I am grateful for his contributions over his many years here. However, being a good leader isn’t just about knowing when to step up but also knowing when to step down when it’s clear you are no longer the person for the job. That time came long ago and it’s time to act on it. Every leader has a shelf life and there's no shame in that but it's abundantly clear a major change is needed at the very top to restore any level of morale and confidence in staff by the community. By no means is this an attack on Mmartin; in fact, my interactions with him both IC and OOC (the times he responded) were always good, but an active and engaged leader is essential for any hope of a revival for LSRP. The community should vote on a new manager and that’s who Mmartin should pass the reins to; doing so would rejuvenate the community, potentially salvage the staff’s reputation, and hopefully bring about a vision on the best path forward. I personally don’t have much faith in LSRPV but if that’s what Mmartin and others want to focus on, fine, but there needs to be a dedicated manager and team for each server, not one divided and dysfunctional team covering both. I don’t mind managers being paid for their efforts and wish LSRP was successful enough financially to pay all of their staff because I am extremely grateful for their contributions, but donations to the SAMP server should go towards the SAMP server and LSRPV donations should go towards LSRPV. Once either project is sustainable and successful enough, only then should managers and/or staff get paid. With foresight and an actual vision, there will be more to go around in the long run, but if the status quo persists, donations will dwindle away to nothing. The LSRP brand exists on SAMP, not on GTAV, and it’s glaringly apparent the SAMP server needs to be more of a priority going forward. LSRP SAMP failing is a marketing disaster for LSRPV. Plenty of good ideas have been presented and I have no doubt that people within the staff team have pushed for many of the improvements we are asking for, but ultimately it starts at the top. Management needs to seek player feedback more via discussions like this, feedback surveys, allowing players to vote on important decisions, etc., then utilize those findings, set out a vision and get everyone pulling on the same rope. The disconnect between staff and players needs to be eradicated and instead we need to be one cohesive team. I know this sounds like a pipedream, but I believe the right leadership can make it happen, at least to some extent. TL;DR: Management needs to step it up for the community, put forth a comprehensive vision that we can all work towards, or step aside for someone who will. LSRP's future depends on it. What's your vision for the future? If you bring forward a problem, do so respectfully and also bring forth a solution. Please keep it clean and let's have a productive discussion that can hopefully help shape a positive future for LSRP.

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