Cops & Robbers

[Consistency]

2 hours ago, Angellify said:

(For ppl in 3rd world countries that block sites for age verification, it's a SS of * Colt Faulkner checks for bulges*)

 

This is the RP you grace us with every night, Kane. Then get bodied eventually. Doesn't it get old for you?

We don't mind losing guns and drugs, but ya'll are just robotic about it. Feels like I'm on a cops & robbers server lately, there's 0 RP coming from PD. 

 

It's gotten to the point where we can't even take a drive out of our hood without a police car htiting an U-Turn and pulling us over. And it's not roleplay, atp it's deliberate targeting. 

Just shooting people down without RPing, ramming bikes to avoid a chase, switching between MP5s and Deagle's mid shoot out like this is CS:GO, list goes on. If PD is allowed to be a DM faction, EHC will follow suit. Then we will all just hop in game and shoot shit out with LSPD. 

EDIT: Just noticed @badhbh shut down the last thread citing "it has served it's purprose", literally the same day that thread was opened. It's not like it was a dead discussion. 

 

That seems to be management's stance on things, because obviously they do not see a problem with the way LSPD does things, so this thread is also useless.

Instead of just having this be another thread that will blow over or die out I'm going to be sporadically replying to those who I believe bring up genuine concerns.  I can't promise to fix every problem as I don't preside over all people with a gun and badge, nor do I think there aren't issues on the illegal roleplay side too but I'll do my best to be approachable here. Those who I don't directly address can feel free to PM me with their concerns too, provided they are with faction members of the LSPD. (LSPD wears black/dark blue uniforms, LSSD wears tan/green uniforms) If you're unsure which faction they belong to you can forward it to the Head of Legal Factions or myself and we can point you in the right direction.

 

I'll quote my original statement on this here.

 

 

Regarding @Angellify

While it isn't a server rule traffic stops that have no other purpose then to provoke a reaction isn't a gray area anymore.  While I acknowledge that we portray the LAPD who are notorious for their racial profiling to combat gang violence we also took a hard look at things in May and drew a line in the sand in terms of what is allowed and what should be "nerfed". For the LSPD there are  clear requirements that need to be met and you can read all about it here. (( Special Order No. 10-25 – Increasing the standard of roleplay and faction mentality - OOC Expectations )) These are additional LSPD internal restrictions. We've punished people for this and will continue to do so provided we know about it (through a report). The issue you described falls under 2. Stop and Search. If none of that crtieria was met and you have a screenshot of the interaction and a name then we'll investigate your report and reply with a conclusion. (Please PM me a brief report)

 

Switching from an MP5 to a Deagle without roleplay can be considered Powergaming so feel free to post a forum report related to that.

[MobbingThru]

8 hours ago, MobbingThru said:

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I am an illegal roleplayer, I’ll put this scenario out for you guys which had happened yesterday.

 

My faction and I were getting ready for a hit. 
 

An SD patrol saw a member with an MP5 getting in my car.

 

However PD came to the call, about 5 minutes later outside of LS after following us, 5 cars deep.

 

After a pursuit we’ve wanted to barricade in our faction complex. 
 

What did PD do once we’ve ran for the entrance? Wiped us out entirely for simply running.

 

Their excuse? They’ve had 2 failed raids in that complex this month so they didn’t wanna go through with it again.

 

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Another scenario was when PD kept targetting a faction member, who was only the driver. We’ve died in 3 instances to PD in under 30 minutes over repetitive felony stops on the same member. They didn’t have any common courtesy to just let it be, camped our turf until they’ve finally managed to get the guy they’ve wanted, on a fourth pursuit. And killing another member for the fourth time.

 

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Overall the PD/SD scene atm is deplorable.

@Consistencyall of u are concerned about angellify and ehc’s traffic stop, how about you check this LSCC type scenario aswell? 

[Consistency]

22 minutes ago, MobbingThru said:

@Consistencyall of u are concerned about angellify and ehc’s traffic stop, how about you check this LSCC type scenario aswell? 

 This complex you're referring to I assume is the one at Marina. The narrow staircase with a point position at the top. I'm not sure who gave you the reason "Two failed raids don't wanna go again" but I can only speak for the LSPD and please do confirm that you were talking to a LSPD member and not a member of another law-enforcement faction. 

 

I recall being on scene myself three times, twice deployed as SWAT, third time in pursuit of people who went there to barricade. I recall the third time there was an issue and I told the parties who reported to PM me directly so I can explain why they might have been shot. Understand that because this server is trying to be a realistic gamemode we use court cases from the United States.  Specifically here Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (you can read about it). It applies here because you've got people in posession of illegal firearms fleeing from police towards a complex which would be occupied by members of the public (civillians). So the police are authorised to shoot to prevent further loss of innocent life if they believe those fleeing intend to harm the complex occupants (take them hostage, murder or otherwise). 

 

In regards to this: Think any real-life school shooting (tragic, yes) and imagine you're a police officer chasing a felon who runs into a school with an assault rifle he bought from the gun store. Would you shoot to prevent the loss of kids? The Cops in Uvalde Texas who were shamed for not entering or stopping the shooter before he entered sure wish they did and would've been within their right to do so.

 

Also the use of this court case has been restricted in its interpretation over the course of LSRP. in 2015 the LSPD would be able to shoot you with an M4 for "Evading" which is a felony and swimming away in the water because you "intended to escape". We've long moved past this inaccurate representation. I say M4 specifically because only it can fire at a far distance and the rules around M4 usage was barely regulated at all. Different times though.

 

In regards to two failed raids. Like I said I recall being on a SWAT team twice at that complex and both times we had no fatalities when making entry so either I wasn't there (Unlikely because I receive notifications about all raids/breaches from/through my faction) or you might be mixing up factions. The LSPD aren't the only ones with a tactical team (raids/breaches are usually done by SWAT/SEB)

[MobbingThru]

16 minutes ago, Consistency said:

 This complex you're referring to I assume is the one at Marina. The narrow staircase with a point position at the top. I'm not sure who gave you the reason "Two failed raids don't wanna go again" but I can only speak for the LSPD and please do confirm that you were talking to a LSPD member and not a member of another law-enforcement faction. 

 

I recall being on scene myself three times, twice deployed as SWAT, third time in pursuit of people who went there to barricade. I recall the third time there was an issue and I told the parties who reported to PM me directly so I can explain why they might have been shot. Understand that because this server is trying to be a realistic gamemode we use court cases from the United States.  Specifically here Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (you can read about it). It applies here because you've got people in posession of illegal firearms fleeing from police towards a complex which would be occupied by members of the public (civillians). So the police are authorised to shoot to prevent further loss of innocent life if they believe those fleeing intend to harm the complex occupants (take them hostage, murder or otherwise). 

 

In regards to this: Think any real-life school shooting (tragic, yes) and imagine you're a police officer chasing a felon who runs into a school with an assault rifle he bought from the gun store. Would you shoot to prevent the loss of kids? The Cops in Uvalde Texas who were shamed for not entering or stopping the shooter before he entered sure wish they did and would've been within their right to do so.

 

Also the use of this court case has been restricted in its interpretation over the course of LSRP. in 2015 the LSPD would be able to shoot you with an M4 for "Evading" which is a felony and swimming away in the water because you "intended to escape". We've long moved past this inaccurate representation. I say M4 specifically because only it can fire at a far distance and the rules around M4 usage was barely regulated at all. Different times though.

 

In regards to two failed raids. Like I said I recall being on a SWAT team twice at that complex and both times we had no fatalities when making entry so either I wasn't there (Unlikely because I receive notifications about raids/breaches) or you might be mixing up factions. The LSPD aren't the only ones with a tactical team (raids/breaches are usually done by SWAT/SEB)

Node said that they were involved in 2 raids there and didn’t wanna go through with it again. As for the failed raids, yeah, that’s SD.

 

As for the shooting upon entering the complex? Have some common courtesy, this is LSRP not IRL, it isn’t a server destined only for PD’s win. SD has twice taken that risk and didn’t shoot us upon entering, so had your faction before, yet this time they’ve decided that they’re tired of it and just shot us down upon entering, now you’re just bringing up a case, where indeed people can be taken hostages, but this is a game and this is breach of common courtesy and also play to win mentality.

[n0de101]

7 minutes ago, MobbingThru said:

Node said that they were involved in 2 raids there and didn’t wanna go through with it again.

This is why these threads don't last long, I've reviewed my logs from the conversation that evening and this is plainly false. This is not the place to address specific incidents as the conversation inevitably devolves into a back and forth like this.

[MobbingThru]

 

7 minutes ago, n0de101 said:

This is why these threads don't last long, I've reviewed my logs from the conversation that evening and this is plainly false. This is not the place to address specific incidents as the conversation inevitably devolves into a back and forth like this.

What did you say then? IC issue and what else? 

[Bomber]

The real problem is camping in hoods and constant patrols, when there are 90 players online sometimes 20 percent of the playerbase is a LEO. IRL these numbers are SIGNIFICANTLY lower. When you fire a gun, drive a car. You can bet your ass you are either ending up in prison or a traffic stop which results in prison. The only thing for LEO to do currently is bother illegal factions because of the drop of the playerbase there's barely stuff to do. Everytime I get IG I just see adverts pumping out of new LEO being hired. Maybe you guys should focus on getting those players to actually go do something in the realms of legal rp or a fun faction which provides in depth roleplay to this server instead of constant traffic stops.

[Skrappy74]

Even tho I been LAW since day one on the server (been in barely any MOB/GANG factions), I’m taking the GANG/MOB side this time, LAW done turned into straightup DM, weapon camping and useless pursuits. There’s hardly any real gang/civil RP impact bcause gangs don’t always wanna keep “normal” relations with a LAW officer, maybe wouldn’t even IRL, who knows. Bottom line, LAW’s just DMing on gangs now, and gang RPers don’t even sweat losing weapons or feeling fear, because they got like twenty of the same guns stashed in Sadler’s trunk
bcause it can’t be twenty of us LAW RPers being right while the whole rest of the server say LAW RP is the problem. That means the issue ain’t with the other 120 players, it’s with us twenty who running LAW

 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Skrappy74

[Connor Don]

3 hours ago, Kane said:

Yall want PD to do anything but find your guns and drugs is what I'm getting at

And All I’m getting is that all PD want to do is log in and hunt for guns and drugs with ur /me looks for bulges roleplay 🤣🤣🤣

[Aberdeen]

4 minutes ago, Bomber said:

When you fire a gun, [...] You can bet your ass you are either ending up in prison or a traffic stop which results in prison.

How dare law enforcement officers enforce the law.

 

There are some legitimate concerns but the contrast between the high quality gang factions like EHC (which has several prominent and long-term IFT members in it) and the lower quality factions (calling out being shot for posing a threat to the public as unfair) is maddening.  Kane might be a trolling, deathmatching hick but you guys have entire factions whose thread's sole purpose is to catch your opps in a death screen and the mountains of high-powered weaponry you drop millions on per week just proves that point.

 

If you want this to stop being a "cops and robbers" server then take the first step and stop roleplaying robbers and start roleplaying characters.

[Consistency]

20 minutes ago, Bomber said:

The real problem is camping in hoods and constant patrols, when there are 90 players online sometimes 20 percent of the playerbase is a LEO. IRL these numbers are SIGNIFICANTLY lower. When you fire a gun, drive a car. You can bet your ass you are either ending up in prison or a traffic stop which results in prison. The only thing for LEO to do currently is bother illegal factions because of the drop of the playerbase there's barely stuff to do. Everytime I get IG I just see adverts pumping out of new LEO being hired. Maybe you guys should focus on getting those players to actually go do something in the realms of legal rp or a fun faction which provides in depth roleplay to this server instead of constant traffic stops.

(On my phone)

Although a police presence is part of this server I can relate to the ratio being less than optimal. When SAMP relaunched it was actually the other way around for a brief moment. One thkng to note is that I've seen illegal roleplayers turn to LEO and I suspect its because in their opinion theres nothing to do. 

 

Again with traffic stops I'll quote this and stress that by reading the linked topic you might gain some insight on what is acceptable (for the LSPD) and what isnt. If you have a situation that isnt according to it take a screenshot and  PM a few lines as a report (Name of the person breaking the rule is needed I can't just terminate/discipline everyone)

1 hour ago, Consistency said:

Regarding @Angellify

While it isn't a server rule traffic stops that have no other purpose then to provoke a reaction isn't a gray area anymore.  While I acknowledge that we portray the LAPD who are notorious for their racial profiling to combat gang violence we also took a hard look at things in May and drew a line in the sand in terms of what is allowed and what should be "nerfed". For the LSPD there are  clear requirements that need to be met and you can read all about it here. (( Special Order No. 10-25 – Increasing the standard of roleplay and faction mentality - OOC Expectations )) These are additional LSPD internal restrictions. We've punished people for this and will continue to do so provided we know about it (through a report). The issue you described falls under 2. Stop and Search. If none of that crtieria was met and you have a screenshot of the interaction and a name then we'll investigate your report and reply with a conclusion. (Please PM me a brief report)

 

Switching from an MP5 to a Deagle without roleplay can be considered Powergaming so feel free to post a forum report related to that.

 

As for the ratio: I'm not opposed to a LEO hiring freeze until RAGE (for thosd who have never been LEOs on LSRP; This is important) but our condition is that other factions (LSSD) are frozen too and that's up to LFM/HoLF

[Nightmare.]

3 minutes ago, Aberdeen said:

How dare law enforcement officers enforce the law.

 

There are some legitimate concerns but the contrast between the high quality gang factions like EHC (which has several prominent and long-term IFT members in it) and the lower quality factions (calling out being shot for posing a threat to the public as unfair) is maddening.  Kane might be a trolling, deathmatching hick but you guys have entire factions whose thread's sole purpose is to catch your opps in a death screen and the mountains of high-powered weaponry you drop millions on per week just proves that point.

 

If you want this to stop being a "cops and robbers" server then take the first step and stop roleplaying robbers and start roleplaying characters.

This whole, start roleplaying characters narrative is stupid. EHC has been here since the relaunch, and we've had characters develop since the beginning. There has been many development story lines and people who have put months into characters instead of jumping off the porch as a straight up killer.

 

What you're referring to, in terms of opps in death screen isn't something that is constant, it's something that happens based on IC events, i.e. the recent Harlow war. Again, it's storylines. It's dependant what is happening IC. Continue to look through threads and you'll see those currently developing.

 

Imo, how gangs are now acting with PD is purely down to them being fed up with the same old shit. Every cop wants to pull you over for nothing in hopes it turns violent, every cop wants to RP seeing you with a pistol in your car, every cop wants to search you from head to toe and find those 2 MDMA pills you have hidden. It's all play to win. The standards are on the floor.

 

 

[sneakk]

9 hours ago, Jerome_DeFilipo said:

The server has become overrun with trolls and low-quality factions, with admins allowing them to target players without proper oversight continuously.

There’s also a noticeable lack of business roleplay; almost no establishments are open anymore, except for Rogue, which is rare.
Instead, the server seems to revolve around free weapons and senseless shootouts.

For the past two days in a row, I’ve been robbed and killed by the same group of players who are blatantly deathmatching, and nothing seems to be done about it. It feels like I can’t even spawn without immediately becoming a target.
 

Unfortunately, the PD isn’t much better either; players can kill and disrupt as much as they want without facing any sanctions.

At this point, it feels like senseless violence is all the server has to offer, which is a far away from the state server was in five or six years ago.

✌️

 

Said all that needs to he said. Slamming blame on LEOs while not looking into the fact that 80% of the playerbase would rather “shoot it out because they don’t wanna go to jail” is absurd to me. 

 

I’m only speaking on this since multiple comments mentioned the entire concerns about the entire downhill par of rp of the LEO scene as a whole, I’ll be speaking from an SD standpoint considering it is the faction a belong to.

 

SD has been giving out the best that could be done to most factions regardless of the constant breakage of server policies and rules and the absurd mentality and attitude glooming over the server as a whole

 

Multiple comments showed evident that the complaints keep hovering around the fact that the community is upset that they get caught after

publicly display long guns and heavy weapons. Instead of throwing the blame entirely on LEOs with having zero idea of the amount of sub-par rp we are faced with on a daily basis thanks to the downgrading and crazy spiraling down par of rp for the entire server is not it. 

 

No LEO factions randomly starts going ham, I’d advise you lot see for yourselves the way you react with law enforcement considering majority you all would rather “shoot my way out than go to jail” which is an unhealthy mentality that glooms over the entire server. 

 

Be the change you want to see. You can not expect something from LEOs when the entirety of the server had a downhill mindset and par of rp, yes some factions are indeed flourishing and have very great and high level roleplay, but expecting LEOs to just suddenly stop and treat you differently just because while the whole server would rather “shoot and kill cops for dm montages & not go to jail”

 

There are several groups that go in game with the soul purpose of killing cops, no wonder LEO levels would drop thanks to this messed up attitude. 

 

LEOs, primarily SD as this is the faction I belong to and am able to speak about, are not here to police your server, yes, but you do have to expect to he caught after pulling stunts like drive by shootings in the middle of the city in broad daylight with several patrol cars around and multiple detectives to investigate. It’s not about “winning” we get absolutely nothing from confiscating your weapons or arresting you, we just want to provide and RECEIVE proper role play and enjoy our time on the server, thats it.

 

I’ve said it once and i’ll say it again. Harsher punishments is a must for both parties, we wouldn’t be here if there were genuine punishments applied to clear and absurd behavior instead of a “slap on the hand” or “It will be better on Rage”.

Edited 2 hours ago by sneakk

[Nightmare.]

3 minutes ago, Nightmare. said:

This whole, start roleplaying characters narrative is stupid. EHC has been here since the relaunch, and we've had characters develop since the beginning. There has been many development story lines and people who have put months into characters instead of jumping off the porch as a straight up killer.

 

What you're referring to, in terms of opps in death screen isn't something that is constant, it's something that happens based on IC events, i.e. the recent Harlow war. Again, it's storylines. It's dependant what is happening IC. Continue to look through threads and you'll see those currently developing.

 

Imo, how gangs are now acting with PD is purely down to them being fed up with the same old shit. Every cop wants to pull you over for nothing in hopes it turns violent, every cop wants to RP seeing you with a pistol in your car, every cop wants to search you from head to toe and find those 2 MDMA pills you have hidden. It's all play to win. The standards are on the floor.

 

 

Another point, lets not pretend the PD don't lose their shit when you place a weapon during a traffic stop too, and they see that "places something in the vehicle" /ame .. "NO MOVEMENTS". Legit roleplaying putting a pistol under the seat, not trying to move a tank.

[Aberdeen]

1 minute ago, Nightmare. said:

This whole, start roleplaying characters narrative is stupid. EHC has been here since the relaunch, and we've had characters develop since the beginning. There has been many development story lines and people who have put months into characters instead of jumping off the porch as a straight up killer.

My point was that EHC set a high standard that most other gang factions do not adhere to. Law enforcement factions have always responded to the present standard of illegal RP and the reason EHC and the few other respectable gang factions are being crushed under their heavy hand is because most of them can't behave.

 

When DTOs were huge on the server, we had Gang and Narcotics roleplaying and interacting with that aspect of criminality.

When we had several huge crime families on the server, we had detective bureaus working around the clock to provide a realistic counter.

Now we have spastics spawning in with M4s and rolling through Idlewood four deep with the sole purpose of putting somebody on a t-shirt. The policing standards adapted accordingly.