Cops & Robbers

[Howard1]

2 minutes ago, Nightmare. said:

Another point, lets not pretend the PD don't lose their shit when you place a weapon during a traffic stop too, and they see that "places something in the vehicle" /ame .. "NO MOVEMENTS". Legit roleplaying putting a pistol under the seat, not trying to move a tank.

Another point lets not pretend that GANG roleplayers will not shoot PD/SD for /ticket ID 2500 "Driving without insurance". Also why are people hanging around their houses with M4/SHOTGUN in hand? Like hide it leave it inside your house, you can carry DGL with you why you have to flex your M4/SHOTGGUN in hand? 

[Bomber]

3 hours ago, Kane said:

Yall want PD to do anything but find your guns and drugs is what I'm getting at

 

We're actually tired of having to deal with this constantly. Your role sets the full example LSPD follows but you seem oblivious to this. 

 

[Nightmare.]

15 minutes ago, Aberdeen said:

My point was that EHC set a high standard that most other gang factions do not adhere to. Law enforcement factions have always responded to the present standard of illegal RP and the reason EHC and the few other respectable gang factions are being crushed under their heavy hand is because most of them can't behave.

 

When DTOs were huge on the server, we had Gang and Narcotics roleplaying and interacting with that aspect of criminality.

When we had several huge crime families on the server, we had detective bureaus working around the clock to provide a realistic counter.

Now we have spastics spawning in with M4s and rolling through Idlewood four deep with the sole purpose of putting somebody on a t-shirt. The policing standards adapted accordingly.

I agree with the start but unfortunately not all factions can have the same standards as honestly, most are made for a month of fun, shooting and then they close - happens all the time. But I again don't think that gives the PD the right to treat both factions the same. I know for a fact if there was a sensible approach between PD and EHC we could make it work and actually enjoy it.

[Consistency]

For everyones information: I've advised any faction member of the LSPD that wishes to comment on this topic they should state they play in the LSPD faction. I find this to be important when reviewing opinions because I think the mentality can vary from faction to faction.

 

24 minutes ago, Nightmare. said:

Imo, how gangs are now acting with PD is purely down to them being fed up with the same old shit. Every cop wants to pull you over for nothing in hopes it turns violent, every cop wants to RP seeing you with a pistol in your car, every cop wants to search you from head to toe and find those 2 MDMA pills you have hidden. It's all play to win. The standards are on the floor.

I can emphasize with your frustration but again I encourage you to report this in PM's to me if it's a member of the LSPD. (dark blue/black uniforms)

It doesn't need to be an essay, a few words and a screenshot + the name of the person that's breaking rules is enough. Additionally just to illustrate the stop and search policies and play to win mentality is not something the LSPD leadership supports. You can read about internal restrictions here (it's public) (( Special Order No. 10-25 – Increasing the standard of roleplay and faction mentality - OOC Expectations ))

 

I've received 0 reports so far (when I initially posted my statement on the topic that preceeded this) so please let us know.

20 minutes ago, Nightmare. said:

Another point, lets not pretend the PD don't lose their shit when you place a weapon during a traffic stop too, and they see that "places something in the vehicle" /ame .. "NO MOVEMENTS". Legit roleplaying putting a pistol under the seat, not trying to move a tank.

Another good point to which I want to clarify what framework is used. I've said this in the illegal faction discord but I'll say it again in the hopes of clearing up this issue. Please also note that we advise LSPD faction members to exercise discrection (ie. not inisting on seeing the firearms everytime when an issue arises) .

 

consistency — 4/24/25, 9:01 AM

one more thing that causes tensions that i'd encourage illegal factions leaders to make their members aware of is under Rule 3 - Powergaming, the explicit mention of when a weapon can be roleplayed seen (eg. during a traffic stop.
Even if you've roleplayed hiding the weapon but have the weapon on you it can be roleplayed as seen and an admin will confirm this. You need to place the weapon.

 

Los Santos Roleplay

Server Rules

[Angellify]

I'd like to state I might be using PD too liberally, I am well aware LSSD is actually trying to create some RP with us and aren't as bad as their counterpart. Most of my complaints in the thread are directly against LSPD.

 

8 minutes ago, Howard1 said:

Another point lets not pretend that GANG roleplayers will not shoot PD/SD for /ticket ID 2500 "Driving without insurance". Also why are people hanging around their houses with M4/SHOTGUN in hand? Like hide it leave it inside your house, you can carry DGL with you why you have to flex your M4/SHOTGGUN in hand? 

 

Can't speak for other factions but we are at war with half the server and every other week a new faction beefs us. So, we need to stay on "defense". BUT, we always try to hide the guns realistically, put them under furniture, /spawn bags and /lg the guns under them, etc etc. but most of the times that does fuck all since LSPD just drives past once, and then 20 cruisers show up with a chopper, claiming they "spotted the gun". 

 

  

2 hours ago, Consistency said:

Regarding @Angellify

While it isn't a server rule traffic stops that have no other purpose then to provoke a reaction isn't a gray area anymore.  While I acknowledge that we portray the LAPD who are notorious for their racial profiling to combat gang violence we also took a hard look at things in May and drew a line in the sand in terms of what is allowed and what should be "nerfed". For the LSPD there are  clear requirements that need to be met and you can read all about it here. (( Special Order No. 10-25 – Increasing the standard of roleplay and faction mentality - OOC Expectations )) These are additional LSPD internal restrictions. We've punished people for this and will continue to do so provided we know about it (through a report). The issue you described falls under 2. Stop and Search. If none of that crtieria was met and you have a screenshot of the interaction and a name then we'll investigate your report and reply with a conclusion. (Please PM me a brief report)

 

Switching from an MP5 to a Deagle without roleplay can be considered Powergaming so feel free to post a forum report related to that.

We in EHC are building a casefile and have logs going back since July. I personally haven't bothered contributing to this because in my experience, nothing ever changes on LS-RP since management is too complacent to hurt the LEO playerbase and thus it's always the illegal RPers that have to suffer under dog shit standards of RP. But I will make sure to log the next times this happens, if I can be bothered to hop in game at all anymore, since this is just demotivating for most of our senior members and myself. 

 

The big issue is: we can't roleplay on a roleplay server because LSPD is running around like this is a free for all DM server and both us and 59 Harlows and probably other factions can agree to this.

 

I guarantee illegal factions put out 100x more RP than LSPD does in a night. We are told to roleplay characters and not stone cold killers, but I bet nobody in LSPD is familiar with the concept of developing a character. 

 

We are told to RP realistically, but Kane can come and check for bulges every night, surrounded by 5-10 ppl and get bodied every night. Oh, and PK rules don't apply to PD for some reason, they can just respawn and bother us again.

 

 

 

 

[Nightmare.]

14 minutes ago, Howard1 said:

Another point lets not pretend that GANG roleplayers will not shoot PD/SD for /ticket ID 2500 "Driving without insurance". Also why are people hanging around their houses with M4/SHOTGUN in hand? Like hide it leave it inside your house, you can carry DGL with you why you have to flex your M4/SHOTGGUN in hand? 

Most gang roleplayers would not do that, that's a stupid reason to kill.. Think you're exaggerating a bit. 

 

As for the shotgun/m4, I can only speak for EHC, but this happens rarely, only when we are at war and we feel people are going to be hit. They're roleplayed hidden, in bushes etc for easy access. Nobody wants to run inside their house to /takegun while their block is being lit up. It's realistic to roleplay having it close by.

[Nightmare.]

2 minutes ago, Angellify said:

 

I guarantee illegal factions put out 100x more RP than LSPD does in a night. We are told to roleplay characters and not stone cold killers, but I bet nobody in LSPD is familiar with the concept of developing a character. 

 

 

Not to mention, most of them roleplay like losing their job for stupid IC decisions, isn't on the cards, because it probably isn't lol

[Consistency]

2 minutes ago, Angellify said:

We in EHC are building a casefile and have logs going back since July. I personally haven't bothered contributing to this because in my experience, nothing ever changes on LS-RP since management is too complacent to hurt the LEO playerbase and thus it's always the illegal RPers that have to suffer under dog shit standards of RP. But I will make sure to log the next times this happens, if I can be bothered to hop in game at all anymore, since this is just demotivating for most of our senior members and myself. 

 

 

I'd encourage you to forward this casefile to myself and the Head of Legal Factions @n0de101

[sneakk]

17 minutes ago, Nightmare. said:

Most gang roleplayers would not do that, that's a stupid reason to kill.. Think you're exaggerating a bit. 

I wish i could say he is, but he sadly isn’t.

 

Thats what I’m trying to convey here, LEO factions are met with terrible standards of role play majority of the time and most of the time you have no idea of what happens to us everyday in game.

 

Your concerns are understandable and valid and LSSD in particular has been trying to provide as much roleplay ad possible but it’s inevitable for faults to occur thanks to the overwhelming number of players on this server that proudly fly the “I’d rather shoot than go to jail” attitude with zero fear of LEO consequence at all. 

 

It all boils down to the fact that there were no punishments put down.

 

I’d like to quote my original reply from the original topic as well to make it known and obvious that the definition of “poor reason to kill” is unfortunately very subjective as we have been indulged in several “suicide by cop” and “poor reason to kill” situations that were ruled out justifiable by this very current admin team. 

When LEOs dont find proper outcomes of reports its inevitable they’ll adapt and eventually stoop down to the level they see and meet everyday.

 

I hope this sheds light on why we are in this situation now.

Edited 1 hour ago by sneakk

[Angellify]

2 minutes ago, Consistency said:

I'd encourage you to forward this casefile to myself and the Head of Legal Factions @n0de101

The thing is, the #1 issue is Kane and he's a lead developer and staff member. Are you seriously going to tell me you or n0de101 are going to do anything else but issue a stern warning? 

[n0de101]

2 minutes ago, Angellify said:

The thing is, the #1 issue is Kane and he's a lead developer and staff member. Are you seriously going to tell me you or n0de101 are going to do anything else but issue a stern warning? 

No one is above the rules and regulations laid out, there are processes to report staff members and they’re taken seriously. I would like to see the information that’s been collated when it’s ready.

[Howard1]

29 minutes ago, Nightmare. said:

Most gang roleplayers would not do that, that's a stupid reason to kill.. Think you're exaggerating a bit. 

 

As for the shotgun/m4, I can only speak for EHC, but this happens rarely, only when we are at war and we feel people are going to be hit. They're roleplayed hidden, in bushes etc for easy access. Nobody wants to run inside their house to /takegun while their block is being lit up. It's realistic to roleplay having it close by.

I'm part of SD Aero Bureau and I can tell you 100% that people flex their guns for no reason not only EHC, 38th around EL Corona, Harlow behind IDLE GAS, Mallrats (trollers) in idlewood are running around with DEAGLES in hand for no reason

[Nightmare.]

1 minute ago, Howard1 said:

I'm part of SD Aero Bureau and I can tell you 100% that people flex their guns for no reason not only EHC, 38th around EL Corona, Harlow behind IDLE GAS, Mallrats (trollers) in idlewood are running around with DEAGLES in hand for no reason

For no reason? Come on..

 

These factions that pop up for a couple of weeks, maybe. But I doubt you see people from EHC, 38, Harlow just walking around with weapons. When we are on "defence", they are stored, placed, left on the ground - easy access.

[Antoine Gournier]

 i think we've gone to a point of no return so the only thing I'm gonna ask of the people roleplaying police is to turn off their wallhacks

 

 

43 minutes ago, Aberdeen said:

The policing standards adapted accordingly.

i believe it's the other way around and I'm confident most of the server would agree(if any of them are left - I personally know ten plus people that've quit the server/gone inactive because of their daily encounters with bored police roleplayers)

[Howard1]

3 minutes ago, Antoine Gournier said:

 i think we've gone to a point of no return so the only thing I'm gonna ask of the people roleplaying police is to turn off their wallhacks

 

 

i believe it's the other way around and I'm confident most of the server would agree(if any of them are left - I personally know ten plus people that've quit the server/gone inactive because of their daily encounters with bored police roleplayers)

Aight no way you are saying turn off their wallhacks, tell me in the last year, how many PD/SD member got banned for cheating and how many idlerats got banned?