Roleplay quality & u

[LetMeHoldADollar]

Fellow illegal faction roleplayers - would you say the usage of Sultans (PD/SD) and the usage of SPAZ12's (SD) benefits you in any way?

 

Give me your thoughts.

[Storm]

Spas12's are no longer used by SD this was a fumbling by former leadership. We also got rid of our sultans, so did pd as far as im aware.

 

Undersheriff Paul Xue

Edited December 14, 2024 by Storm

[LetMeHoldADollar]

Just now, Storm said:

Spas12's are no longer used by SD this was a fumbling by former leadership. We also got rid of our sultans, so did pd as far as im aware.

 

Undersheriff Paul Xue

Why was this ever accepted?

[Storm]

Just now, LetMeHoldADollar said:

Why was this ever accepted?

former SEB leadership challenged it and i personally bought it up in a supervisory (me at the time) meeting to say this is dumb, the sheriff that was over this got replaced by iudex. old news.

[Marco Polo]

There's still a long way to go for the leo rp landscape I fear, as probably any other illegal rper I'm under the impression that for example deploying an m4 to every situation (let alone riding with one on your chest throughout ur entire patrol, like SD loves to do) is stupid. LEO rpers will obviously reply that this is their way to counter the current landscape where illegal roleplayers default to having shootouts whenever something doesn't go their way, which is a fine and dandy argument until you consider what lead to this. 

 

LSSD/PD has recently gotten into the habit of Judge Dredd style corruption rp, that they love to showcase whenever a regular traffic stop is eventually turned into a search (this happens in most cases), and the roleplay with SD often doesn't end at an arrest, because they'll take you to the desert and break your ribs, or in some cases perform a cartel style execution while repeatedly hurling slurs your way.

 

Although I'm just stirring the pot here, this is still something that should be brought up on a topic about LEO rp as I'm not sure if there's a dedicated feedback thread leadership looks at.

 

[Grover The Good]

15 minutes ago, Marco Polo said:

There's still a long way to go for the leo rp landscape I fear, as probably any other illegal rper I'm under the impression that for example deploying an m4 to every situation (let alone riding with one on your chest throughout ur entire patrol, like SD loves to do) is stupid. LEO rpers will obviously reply that this is their way to counter the current landscape where illegal roleplayers default to having shootouts whenever something doesn't go their way, which is a fine and dandy argument until you consider what lead to this. 

 

This topic very obviously is a hit piece created for the sole purpose of targeting a specific staff member (who had plenty of faults of his own in his fate) by people who believe themselves to be the smartest guys in the room, but at least proves that if a bait is taken earnestly, constructive discussion can sprout from the most unlikely of source.

 

To move to the matter at hand, your concerns are valid, but from the other side of the barricade the perspective is flipped: law enforcement factions have been greatly restricted when it comes to the deployment of weaponry over the years. It used to be that all weapons were freely available to the most basic of officers, including entry-level positions, then usage of assault rifles was restricted to tactical teams, then MP5 usage was curtailed, then it became a requirement for LEOs to be "certified" (pass an exam on the forums after spending a significant amount of time in the faction) first to use M4s and then eventually shotguns as well, and the number of people who could be certified was limited as well. There's also a plethora of internal regulations that prevent LEO roleplayers from carrying out actions that used to be very common (shooting tires, deploy beanbags against motorcycle riders, etc.). On top of this, several OOC rules were established by LFM which, if broken, can result in severe punishment for the player, along with internal faction discipline.

 

In short, the regular officer/deputy only has a handgun at their disposal unless they put time and effort in to earn a qualification, and they're still limited in what they can do with it, whereas any criminal roleplayer can tap into their private weapon stock they've been accumulating since 2014, grab three friends and use them on the flimsiest of excuses with little to no requirements.

 

It doesn't mean some restrictions weren't needed, but the constant race for realism and "fairness" all the regulations resulted in a situation where most LEO roleplayers are typically underpowered and saddled with rules against parties who couldn't care less about either two of those aspects. It's doubly ironic when considering all the limitations were originally enacted as a way to "improve police roleplay" by teaching people how to roleplay around these weapons, yet firearm-related roleplay is basically unheard of in both factions, usually entirely revolving around taking or placing the M4 in the patrol car gun rack. 

 

41 minutes ago, Marco Polo said:

LSSD/PD has recently gotten into the habit of Judge Dredd style corruption rp, that they love to showcase whenever a regular traffic stop is eventually turned into a search (this happens in most cases), and the roleplay with SD often doesn't end at an arrest, because they'll take you to the desert and break your ribs, or in some cases perform a cartel style execution while repeatedly hurling slurs your way.

 

That's the police roleplay equivalent of a cancer that, though repeatedly defeated, tends to reoccur from time to time, with no long-term cure in sight. All law enforcement factions regularly happen to have among their ranks a member or a group of members who believe Training Day or The Shield are the greatest thing since bread came sliced and roleplay as if they're CRASH in the 90s and recordings aren't a thing or the LASD is still under the Baca administration and they aren't being hit by a new whistleblower lawsuit every month.

 

It was particularly noticeable in the "!!!" era of LSSD, where a group of faction members would routinely beat people, including other deputies, in many cases for no particular reason other than being edgy, but the LSPD also had plenty of occasions to shine in that regard as both factions rushed to adopt each other's trends, both good and bad. Once again, in a way that shows how truly ironic life can be, the portrayal of corruption was much more amateurish after all the "realistic" revamps than it was under Westbrook's leadership of GND, when it was more severe but in a sensible way that didn't stretch the suspension of disbelief. Even SADOC had its moment, however brief it was, when inmate and CO roleplayers used Discord to arrange times for stabbings to take place and riots to erupt in a true show of organic roleplay.

 

The most comical of corruption scenarios usually take a combination of overzealous players who take their role way too seriously or want to enrich their portrayal by use the most trite dramatic device in the form of corruption (bonus points if their character's also an alcoholic or suffers from an addiction), a faction leadership that connives with them because of ignorance or interest and an LFM team that's too apathetic to actually carry out it duties.

 

These planets rarely align. But when they do, good police roleplay gets eclipsed.

 

[Kane]

People complaining about Sultans as if they're any better than a Premier

 

Besides, majority of SWAT, with the exception of me, can't drive so in reality it was 60-40 in favor of criminals.

Edited December 14, 2024 by Kane

[JesterJr]

Criminals rn are overpowered.

 

They are free to use whatever weapon they want.

They can kill cops for nothing with no repercussions.

They can do ambushes and whatnot, and usually just walk out of it cause cops won't bother reporting it.

Detectives cannot shut down factions cause factions will start crying.

But factions are reckless asf cause there's no one to punish them. So what's the point RPing with Criminals?

 

There's countless situations where criminals kill cops on a traffic stop using shotguns, M4s and pistols, over a simple traffic stop for an insurance hit.

What about this quality check? How do you battle this from your side?

 

And mainly there's usually 1 cop for 5+ criminals.

 

I feel like there's nothing more to nerf in the LEO side.

 

We've become too sensitive.

Edited December 14, 2024 by JesterJr

[Storm]

18 hours ago, Marco Polo said:

There's still a long way to go for the leo rp landscape I fear, as probably any other illegal rper I'm under the impression that for example deploying an m4 to every situation (let alone riding with one on your chest throughout ur entire patrol, like SD loves to do) is stupid. LEO rpers will obviously reply that this is their way to counter the current landscape where illegal roleplayers default to having shootouts whenever something doesn't go their way, which is a fine and dandy argument until you consider what lead to this. 

 

LSSD/PD has recently gotten into the habit of Judge Dredd style corruption rp, that they love to showcase whenever a regular traffic stop is eventually turned into a search (this happens in most cases), and the roleplay with SD often doesn't end at an arrest, because they'll take you to the desert and break your ribs, or in some cases perform a cartel style execution while repeatedly hurling slurs your way.

 

Although I'm just stirring the pot here, this is still something that should be brought up on a topic about LEO rp as I'm not sure if there's a dedicated feedback thread leadership looks at.

 

Please forward this stuff to me and I'll make sure its addressed. Same with the m4 deployment issues you've flagged.