A VISION FOR THE FUTURE

[imu_pertrauka]

I think playing here would need to feel more like a real life experience - the flow of the game should have me doing regular human stuff not gang stuff 24/7. I've read only two posts on this thread but let me add some to this. What would help the experience would be some legal infrastructure. What we have right now is just pure criminal stuff and criminal storytelling? I might be wrong because I don't have time to go through all the screenshots or interact with everyone 24/7 on the server 🙂 I on know. I've enjoyed the GTA V server because you can just chill? GTA V server feels more like a real life experience - something SA-MP server is missing? Not sure. I've been playing LSRP for a minute although I'm not sure how can I start making moves. Discord is way better than private forums but now there's nothing to do if you're not in a faction - I can't imagine being a new roleplayer right now. Also... I enjoy roleplaying at all times (not scripted roleplay for screenshots) so standing in one spot should make sense for everybody. I'm not sure though - could be my incompetence.

[MoneybagsCarminati]

In all my years of advocating for a more realistic environment, Im surprised and happy to see this amount of people wanting to abandon the "this is a game" mentality and get with the "this is a game, based on realism and creativity" mindset.  LSRP used to be, sometimes still is, and absolutely can be a canvas for realistic roleplay.  

 

A lot of good ideas have been posted here.  

 

I know this is vague but I envision a few of these changes:

 

1.  A realistic meeting system for players.  Everyone starts as a stranger.  To eliminate targetted trolling, targetted metagaming and targetted DM, which in my opinion should be a banning offense.  Should create less work for staff and more roleplay for players.

 

2.  Eliminating Long Term Wars and PK wars, and if thats not doable, at least eliminate the incitement to metagame by forwarding lists to each other.

 

3.  Introducing an in game court system complete with bails, bonds, judges and lawyers.  An in game system, not a forum system.

 

4.  Introduce the concept of CKs only FOR SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES ONLY, such as shooting it out with police, engaging in gang/mob wars.  In situations where PKs are issued for poor reason to kill, instead of banning people and deteriorating the playerbase, void the roleplay and issue ajails or multiday bans as punishment.  But in a case where someone was killed for a poor reason but no rules were broken, PKs can stay.  Poor reasons to kill have not yet been established and we cant just expect even new or old players to "know" based on any admins discretion what would be considered a poor reason.  Of course, killing someone over an insult or looking at you funny is a poor reason.  But how can new players who witness tomfoolery all over this server be expected to know that?  Theres a cultural barrier here between older and newer roleplayers that can be fixed with some assertions and clarifications.

 

5.  Put advertisements through a vetting window that must be approved by online staff.  A simple click when they see a good ad, a simple click when they deny a poor one.

 

6.  Clean house over at Idlezoo Pizza.  While its been a major part of LSRP lore, its been a stain on this server for too long and a breeding ground for unrealistic RP.  If admins just camped Idlestacks Pizza for a good month, people might stop screwing around.

Edited November 18, 2024 by MoneybagsCarminati

[imu_pertrauka]

Also I would love to see people just driving around - playing the game, walking around or something.

[tracksuithitman]

Yes, let's see people alt walking from one end of the city to the other. That's what we've been needing to achieve a true revival.

[Marco Polo]

7 hours ago, imu_pertrauka said:

the flow of the game should have me doing regular human stuff not gang stuff 24/7. 

The flow of the game is what you get up to at the current moment. No one stops you from RPing a gangster and still involving yourself in day-to-day behaviors like running to the store or walking your dog made out of /clothing accessories. The server has all the legal infrastructure you could currently ask for, it's not an issue with the script or the direction of the community; legal roleplay just isn't very expansive unless it ties into illegal roleplay somehow. (In the form of legal fronts or "Succession"esque businessmen running around, which we have no shortage of at the moment.)

 

Considering the medium we're using to play it should never be the main focus or even receive equal focus as the illegal roleplay scene. It only encourages the existence of civvie ((rpers)) that get caught up roleplaying this perfect version of their irl selves, interacting with friends they wish they had IRL, driving cars they wish they had IRL, engaging in virtual leisure as a means of escapism rather than storytelling. The moment you antagonize one of those people in-characterly on a criminal character (or somehow get siphoned into their weird dollhouse roleplay drama) they either whine their ass off or put you through excruciating play-2-win RP scenarios because they cannot mentally afford to have their illusion broken. It sounds fun if you look at the valentines and think about an episode of the kardashians, but when this behavior is enabled to the degree you seem to want it to be, and a majority of the server consists of rich players hanging around all day treating it as a glorified chatroom, it becomes a problem.

 

TL;DR - The legal roleplayers able to roleplay businessmen, company owners, regular joes, ETC. are already doing it and have all the resources available at the palm of their hand. Feeding the legal roleplay "scene" with a baby bottle isn't gonna help them at all, just encourage more idiots to whip their cheetahs around Idlewood looking for reasons to up a PF gun at someone over the silliest conflict.  

 

6 hours ago, MoneybagsCarminati said:

1.  A realistic meeting system for players.  Everyone starts as a stranger.  To eliminate targetted trolling, targetted metagaming and targetted DM, which in my opinion should be a banning offense.  Should create less work for staff and more roleplay for players.

 

[MoneybagsCarminati]

1 hour ago, Marco Polo said:

TL;DR - The legal roleplayers able to roleplay businessmen, company owners, regular joes, ETC. are already doing it and have all the resources available at the palm of their hand. Feeding the legal roleplay "scene" with a baby bottle isn't gonna help them at all, just encourage more idiots to whip their cheetahs around Idlewood looking for reasons to up a PF gun at someone over the silliest conflict.  

They don't have all the resources in* the palm of their hand.  The only jobs you have available are trucking, fishing, maybe some sanitation if that's not broken.  Where are the linemen?  Where are the landscapers?  Where are the engineers?  On top of that, where are the judges?  The lawyers?  The bailiffs?  The bondsmen?  Where is our DEA?  Where is our FBI?  Where is our ATF?  How about our mayor?  Our city councilman?  How about our senators?  Our house representatives for the state of San Andreas?  I see taxis, where are our busdrivers?  Our ubers.  Where are our barbers?  Where are our chefs?  You see any pizza delivery jobs on here?  That used to be in the script.

I wouldn't go talking to everyone on this thread as if their views or their wants are meaningless, this thread is a suggestion thread to bring forth each and every one of these jobs and organizations, it's not just a discussion for the sake of discussion.

Do you got a suggestion for discouraging  "more idiots to whip their cheetahs around Idlewood looking for reasons to up a PF gun at someone over the silliest conflict?"  Please leave that here.

[Browman1945]

Man at this point you are asking too much 😂

[Rye]

44 minutes ago, MoneybagsCarminati said:

They don't have all the resources in* the palm of their hand.  The only jobs you have available are trucking, fishing, maybe some sanitation if that's not broken.  Where are the linemen?  Where are the landscapers?  Where are the engineers?  On top of that, where are the judges?  The lawyers?  The bailiffs?  The bondsmen?  Where is our DEA?  Where is our FBI?  Where is our ATF?  How about our mayor?  Our city councilman?  How about our senators?  Our house representatives for the state of San Andreas?  I see taxis, where are our busdrivers?  Our ubers.  Where are our barbers?  Where are our chefs?  You see any pizza delivery jobs on here?  That used to be in the script.

I wouldn't go talking to everyone on this thread as if their views or their wants are meaningless, this thread is a suggestion thread to bring forth each and every one of these jobs and organizations, it's not just a discussion for the sake of discussion.

Do you got a suggestion for discouraging  "more idiots to whip their cheetahs around Idlewood looking for reasons to up a PF gun at someone over the silliest conflict?"  Please leave that here.

 

Actually, they kind of do. For example, nobody's stopping anybody from roleplaying a lawyer. Tungsten's even accepting people right now without having to take the bar for a limited amount of time. There's just not enough collective interest to build a system around it; not enough people to keep it sustainable. Aside from that, all the other jobs you mentioned can be roleplayed by people who're interested in doing it. There's nothing stopping them from doing so. The only issue is that nobody wants to do it. Bus drivers, that's definitely a nice idea. But for whom? Nobody goes on a regular commute, with set times and fixed routes. People play tentatively with whatever free time they could muster. Other than that, who's looking forward to driving around wordlessly for hours on end in a city where everyone has access to a personal vehicle? 

 

My point is, what we should be discussing here is how to enable people who want to make the most out of their roleplay, and not suggesting dead-end jobs nobody even wants to do in the first place. Don't get me wrong, it'd be great if we can have these things. But on a server with a dwindling playerbase, there are bigger fish to fry.

Edited November 19, 2024 by Rye

[MoneybagsCarminati]

22 minutes ago, Browman1945 said:

Man at this point you are asking too much 😂

Real life > Realism.  People have some notion that asking for a few simply scripted jobs is like asking to script in bodily functions and needs.  And that's doable too but we'll save that for another chat lol.  

 

 

20 minutes ago, Rye said:

Actually, they kind of do. For example, nobody's stopping anybody from roleplaying a lawyer. Tungsten's even accepting people right now without having to take the bar for a limited amount of time. There's just not enough collective interest to build a system around it; not enough people to keep it sustainable. Aside from that, all the other jobs you mentioned can be roleplayed by people who're interested in doing it. There's nothing stopping them from doing so. The only issue is that nobody wants to do it. Bus drivers, that's definitely a nice idea. But for whom? Nobody goes on a regular commute, with set times and fixed routes. People play tentatively with whatever free time they could muster. Other than that, who's looking forward to driving around wordlessly for hours on end in a city where everyone has access to a personal vehicle? 

 

My point is, what we should be discussing here is how to enable people who want to make the most out of their roleplay, and not suggesting dead-end jobs nobody even wants to do in the first place. 

They do not have a court system in game.  I know many people who roleplay lawyers, well when lawyers go to work, they go between two places.  Their law firm and the courthouse.  There's never enough people to keep anything sustainable when the server has a low playerbase, but if you create the canvas IN GAME for it, people can occupy it.  Then more people can occupy it.  And then more, and more, until there is a brand new world of RP here that people haven't even gotten into yet.  Nobody wants to do it?  Fine, script it in anyway.  Let the ones who want to do it do it.  And yeah, bus drivers, you know, for people who like driving around the map and not shooting people up at Idlewood Pizza Stacks as everyone's made mention of in this thread.  I do remember a time where LSRP had a working train system, One of my characters used to sell drugs and guns off of it for months because the police were up and down our neighborhood and the city, there were actually so many cops online that you'd have to really think about where you'd want to do a deal on the street, so I'd take the train, do the deal, pretend I'd leave my luggage.  

If people play tentatively with whatever free time they can muster, they have the choice to earn more money and work in game or go lollygag in the streets and make nothing just like real life.  Gun dealing takes work too.  Drug dealing is work.  Everything takes work.  Simply typing /me covers his mouth and coughs into his forearms is too much work for some people, those are the people who don't play.  

I get your point, and we are discussing how to enable people to have a better quality environment.  We're discussing bringing realism back to LSRP.  I saw that a person had mentioned how we'd like to add more things to the script instead of just fix old broken parts of the script.  Everyone's "if it ain't broke don't fix it" attitude has turned the environment into a stagnant oasis of monotony lol.  I've suggested 6 things above that could be implemented.  Some people in this server aren't even ready for those discussions yet, here we're discussing the culture shift, player retention, a new attitude on how we treat some of the things that cause a daily problem a roleplay environment, you feel me?

My thinking is, you'd make the most out of roleplay by giving people more things to roleplay, and having a scripted system backing it up.  If roleplay isn't about exploring your options and seeing what makes you enjoy your passtime the most while playing and developing a character you made up out of the blue, I can't say I know what it's about.

[MoneybagsCarminati]

56 minutes ago, Rye said:

 

Don't get me wrong, it'd be great if we can have these things. But on a server with a dwindling playerbase, there are bigger fish to fry.

A server with a dwindling playerbase because there's not enough to do, there's the same stuff going on, there's the same type of reports being thrown out, there's the same type of script we've all been used to for years on end.  Now I get LSRP is a nostalgia project to some degree but we're not doing ourselves any favors relying on an old script to provide new opportunities.  What bigger fish would we have to fry if we had a playerbase full of people who are too focused on developing their characters with 50 different options and journeys to take?  I think judge RP would be fire.  I also think SD will have more roleplay to do.  LSRP right now reminds me of something that happens when you take 150 people and throw them on an island.  We can try and try to get people to learn community and learn courtesy and give them the general gist of survival, but you'll always be just a gaggle of people trying to get blood out of a rock so they can quench one day of thirst and be thirsty for the next however long.  We don't got bigger fish to fry, we got a different attitude to take, we got new features to script in, we got a new wave of roleplayers that ruin it for the other 90% of roleplayers here and we most certainly don't have a great legal canvas to play with.  I think adding in a courthouse, a court system a general incentive to do so will create a brand new option for people.  That's only one of the 10 or so things I rattled off up top.

Edited November 19, 2024 by MoneybagsCarminati

[Rye]

8 minutes ago, MoneybagsCarminati said:

They do not have a court system in game.  I know many people who roleplay lawyers, well when lawyers go to work, they go between two places.  Their law firm and the courthouse.  There's never enough people to keep anything sustainable when the server has a low playerbase, but if you create the canvas IN GAME for it, people can occupy it.  Then more people can occupy it.  And then more, and more, until there is a brand new world of RP here that people haven't even gotten into yet.  Nobody wants to do it?  Fine, script it in anyway.  Let the ones who want to do it do it.  And yeah, bus drivers, you know, for people who like driving around the map and not shooting people up at Idlewood Pizza Stacks as everyone's made mention of in this thread.  I do remember a time where LSRP had a working train system, One of my characters used to sell drugs and guns off of it for months because the police were up and down our neighborhood and the city, there were actually so many cops online that you'd have to really think about where you'd want to do a deal on the street, so I'd take the train, do the deal, pretend I'd leave my luggage.  

If people play tentatively with whatever free time they can muster, they have the choice to earn more money and work in game or go lollygag in the streets and make nothing just like real life.  Gun dealing takes work too.  Drug dealing is work.  Everything takes work.  Simply typing /me covers his mouth and coughs into his forearms is too much work for some people, those are the people who don't play.  

I get your point, and we are discussing how to enable people to have a better quality environment.  We're discussing bringing realism back to LSRP.  I saw that a person had mentioned how we'd like to add more things to the script instead of just fix old broken parts of the script.  Everyone's "if it ain't broke don't fix it" attitude has turned the environment into a stagnant oasis of monotony lol.  I've suggested 6 things above that could be implemented.  Some people in this server aren't even ready for those discussions yet, here we're discussing the culture shift, player retention, a new attitude on how we treat some of the things that cause a daily problem a roleplay environment, you feel me?

My thinking is, you'd make the most out of roleplay by giving people more things to roleplay, and having a scripted system backing it up.  If roleplay isn't about exploring your options and seeing what makes you enjoy your passtime the most while playing and developing a character you made up out of the blue, I can't say I know what it's about.

 

I happen to be one of those people who roleplay lawyers, yeah. The thing about that is, procedures like court hearings take a shitload amount of work in the background rather than just showing up and winging it. Now, in a game, not everyone has the time to do all that and show up in an in-game courtroom at a certain time, especially when our timezones aren't exactly all the same. Again, don't get me wrong. There's nothing I'd love more than being able to do that, but it's virtually impossible for this to be executed in the server at this point in time. And while I agree with you about opening more avenues of roleplay script-wise, it also isn't the most productive idea to have people grinding scriptwise jobs like they're doing now. The difference between, say, being a pizza delivery guy and a drug dealer is that a drug dealer has a buyer to roleplay with. Pizza orders don't really happen, unless a pizza business opens and starts offering it. Otherwise, you just have a guy in a Faggio driving around 24/7, not really interacting with anyone and anything. 

 

Driving around in a bus is a better alternative than DMing in Idlestacks, sure. Definitely. But drive around long enough without anyone really needing the service you're offering, and it'll get stale pretty easily. 

 

See, this is why I appreciate companies like ROZE Enterprises and LSCG so much. These companies keep newcomers hooked in the server, giving them roleplay opportunities until they become more familiar with the city and start to branch out in their own preferred environments. What we need to do is to equip people to create more of these companies, especially those with ingenious ideas, and build from there.

 

Devs like Cake are already on full throttle working out new features, and what we could help them out with is to point the focus on the most impactful ones first.

[MoneybagsCarminati]

1 minute ago, Rye said:

I happen to be one of those people who roleplay lawyers, yeah. The thing about that is, procedures like court hearings take a shitload amount of work in the background rather than just showing up and winging it. Now, in a game, not everyone has the time to do all that and show up in an in-game courtroom at a certain time, especially when our timezones aren't exactly all the same. Again, don't get me wrong. There's nothing I'd love more than being able to do that, but it's virtually impossible for this to be executed in the server at this point in time. And while I agree with you about opening more avenues of roleplay script-wise, it also isn't the most productive idea to have people grinding scriptwise jobs like they're doing now. The difference between, say, being a pizza delivery guy and a drug dealer is that a drug dealer has a buyer to roleplay with. Pizza orders don't really happen, unless a pizza business opens and starts offering it. Otherwise, you just have a guy in a Faggio driving around 24/7, not really interacting with anyone and anything. 

Well thats the thing.  You get a few courtrooms right?  You let a few judges who are online occupy the courtrooms.  You have holding cells below the courthouse where people have been transported RPly from their local precincts to the courthouse.  You stick a few SD guys down there to pat down the detainees before they're brought up to see a random judge for an arraignment.  They're given a date to come back, (and since its roleplay and not real life, the judge can be lenient with the detainee and work out a reasonable time and date where people don't have work or school or what have you before adjournment.) You make the right point that it'd be hard to occupy it but there's literally not even one in place, so of course it'd be hard to occupy it when it's not scripted in.  And I'm not trying to argue with you, you make reasonable points.  But to say impossible to execute this at this time, I mean... when WOULD it be possible?  We haven't even discussed what bigger fish we have to fry.  Lay the canvas, set the standard, everything falls into place from there.  My idea isn't to get people to grind, my idea is to lay down the jobs so people can create companies or businesses surrounding these jobs and create more RP.  Why don't we have pizza orders?  People can buy cocaine because its itemized, we have cigarettes itemized, we have guns itemized, well... why don't we have pizza itemized?  It's all up to the devs.  Also... they needa get rid of that Faggio. xD  People deliver pizza in CARS nowadays, in modern day America.  

 

 

7 minutes ago, Rye said:

Driving around in a bus is a better alternative than DMing in Idlestacks, sure. Definitely. But drive around long enough without anyone really needing the service you're offering, and it'll get stale pretty easily. 

 Yeah, for some.  And yeah, you're right.  But if we had more lawyers who had to get to the courthouse to represent their client, hey, there's 10 busdrivers, let me catch the bus.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Rye said:

See, this is why I appreciate companies like ROZE Enterprises and LSCG so much. These companies keep newcomers hooked in the server, giving them roleplay opportunities until they become more familiar with the city and start to branch out in their own preferred environments. What we need to do is to equip people to create more of these companies, especially those with ingenious ideas, and build from there.

I would imagine that these companies revolved around business roleplay and were able to teach something productive to the players.  A roleplay server is a perfect place to perhaps teach the newcomer a lesson or two about real life especially when it's grounded in realism.  These are the type of companies we're talking about when we envision a future for this server.  So that's the attitude right there we're looking for, you at least know it can be better and that's step 1 in growth.

 

10 minutes ago, Rye said:

Devs like Cake are already on full throttle working out new features, and what we could help them out with is to point the focus on the most impactful ones first.

Well lets give him a pat on the back.  And lets put his work to good use.  Obviously, the participants of this thread are calling for a better attitude, a better standard, why not chuck in a few better additions to the script?  A few things that'll make admins perhaps have to handle less reports.  A few things that'll fix the aesthetic of the in game experience, I think I'd really like to log in and not see:

[Advertisement]  COME LOOK AT THESE FAT JUICY STRIPPER CHEEKS AT MY STRIP CLUB, DRINKS ON THE HOUSE YALL.

I think we're beginning to realize that there's a whole sea of options here.  While some things seem hard or undoable, we won't know until we have the attitude to create it, try it, and inevitably watch it fail, giving us the ultimate proof we need that it doesn't work.  Instead of just feeling and going with the feeling that it won't work, and doing nothing.  Not trying at all.  You know?  It don't take a day to build a pyrmid, but it takes a day to build a block. 😛

[MoneybagsCarminati]

Here's what screws my head up a little too.  The DOC have a place way out in the desert to do their job and keep their eye on the prisoners.  Meanwhile, the people who wind up getting caught by police actually get teleported to prison after they're processed.   Why?  

I mean, why do we spend all this time trying to make things copasetic for our illegal roleplayers (which I am) with our guns and our drugs, and our different variations of those, and turfs, this, and that, and blah blah blah blah blah, we're over here skipping the entire process of being a law enforcement roleplayer.  Why do people get teleported at all except for when they break rules?  

If a criminal can commit a crime at any given point in time, they create roleplay for the cops who can make an arrest.  They should process the criminal.  Charge them with crimes.  Transport them to the courthouse to see a judge.  A judge can arraign them.  A lawyer can defend them.  If their lawyer isn't available there are a bunch of other lawyers at the courthouse who can be hired for their time on the spot, already on another job.  An SD person can run a pat down and walk them to and from the courtroom. SD is also usually responsible for transporting people from the courthouse to the county jail or the prison, but we only have a prison.  Why are they not roleplaying that either?  Why aren't there wardens and DOC inside of the prisons handling the arrival of newcomers?  Criminals only have to stay in the prison for like 30 minutes before they can teleport back out of there with /parole.  Where are the parole officers?  Where are the people let people who made bail or bond in X amount of time helping people out of the prison and putting them outside the gate? 

There's just so much roleplay we're missing thanks to this script not having what it needs for the realistic change people are calling for.  And I hope the devs change that when they can, and the ones who really want it will suggest it, and patiently wait for it to be scripted in.  As long as people see that certain realistic changes are in the process of being made so that people become interested again. Perhaps we have a few people joining again before the arrival of the new addition to the script?  That'd be nice too.

Yeah, it's a lot.  Well, from what I'm reading, we're asking for a lot.  But a change in the general attitude of how roleplay should be conducted is not asking for a lot. And if all we take from this entire discussion is that we need to change our attitudes about trying new things, I'd be happy with that as well.

Edited November 19, 2024 by MoneybagsCarminati

[Rye]

52 minutes ago, MoneybagsCarminati said:

*good points*

 

I'm sorry I didn't expect this convo to drag along, there's a lot to unpack in there that I just don't have the time for right now, but yes a lot of good points. Yes, I'm all for providing people more roleplay opportunities. 

 

  

On 10/25/2024 at 8:00 AM, Martin_Busato said:

ROLE-PLAY MINDSET

Everyone needs to adopt the mindset of focusing on the realistic development of their characters. Stay in the moment and embrace every scene. The play-to-win mindset, trigger happiness and seeking quick thrills is not the best way to go about role-playing and it drags the server down. LSRP is marketed as a heavy role-play server and we need to back this up.

 

I'd like to get back to this part, in particular. How can we, as a community, better promote a realistic development-centric kind of mindset? 

[tracksuithitman]

Introducing more realistic law enforcement, legal factions and legal jobs is unfortunately not a priority and will not bring people back. For all intents and purposes, especially at this point, the damage has been done.

 

You don't even see more than a couple of admins on at peak anymore. Staff members are complaining about the lack of activity and the fact that nothing is getting done. These developmental/script changes are nice, but LS-RP is a server which never relied on the script vs competitors. LSRP was always a minimalistic server, which pushed people to be more creative in their approaches to roleplay and, at least for me, is what helped set the standards higher than any other roleplaying community on the SAMP platform. The point being that these script changes have and will not serve to revive the server; the proof is there in these last few weeks.

 

Little by little, the pieces of the server that are hanging on by a thread are falling. The community is failing from top to bottom. You cannot expect members to be positive or commit any more than the minimum effort when 95% of the staff team do not themselves. The most effort we've seen from Mmartin is banning my main account and painting a false narrative to censor me and others. It's all very comedic.

 

I will always hold the community in a high regard because I've met quality people and had a good time in the 13 years I've been apart of it for, but it's time to face the facts - we are beating a dead horse and to pretend that this has not run its course would make us damn near delusional. False hope is unfortunately the driving force behind the majority of the current playerbase's motive to play.

 

Props to anyone who is still putting in the time and effort, but this will not see another Winter.