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i think we've gone to a point of no return so the only thing I'm gonna ask of the people roleplaying police is to turn off their wallhacks i believe it's the other way around and I'm confident most of the server would agree(if any of them are left - I personally know ten plus people that've quit the server/gone inactive because of their daily encounters with bored police roleplayers)

For no reason? Come on.. These factions that pop up for a couple of weeks, maybe. But I doubt you see people from EHC, 38, Harlow just walking around with weapons. When we are on "defence", they are stored, placed, left on the ground - easy access.

I'm part of SD Aero Bureau and I can tell you 100% that people flex their guns for no reason not only EHC, 38th around EL Corona, Harlow behind IDLE GAS, Mallrats (trollers) in idlewood are running around with DEAGLES in hand for no reason

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No one is above the rules and regulations laid out, there are processes to report staff members and they’re taken seriously. I would like to see the information that’s been collated when it’s ready.

The thing is, the #1 issue is Kane and he's a lead developer and staff member. Are you seriously going to tell me you or n0de101 are going to do anything else but issue a stern warning?

I wish i could say he is, but he sadly isn’t. Thats what I’m trying to convey here, LEO factions are met with terrible standards of role play majority of the time and most of the time you have no idea of what happens to us everyday in game. Your concerns are understandable and valid and LSSD in particular has been trying to provide as much roleplay ad possible but it’s inevitable for faults to occur thanks to the overwhelming number of players on this server that proudly fly the “I’d rather shoot than go to jail” attitude with zero fear of LEO consequence at all. It all boils down to the fact that there were no punishments put down. I’d like to quote my original reply from the original topic as well to make it known and obvious that the definition of “poor reason to kill” is unfortunately very subjective as we have been indulged in several “suicide by cop” and “poor reason to kill” situations that were ruled out justifiable by this very current admin team. When LEOs dont find proper outcomes of reports its inevitable they’ll adapt and eventually stoop down to the level they see and meet everyday. I hope this sheds light on why we are in this situation now.

I'd encourage you to forward this casefile to myself and the Head of Legal Factions @n0de101

Not to mention, most of them roleplay like losing their job for stupid IC decisions, isn't on the cards, because it probably isn't lol

Most gang roleplayers would not do that, that's a stupid reason to kill.. Think you're exaggerating a bit. As for the shotgun/m4, I can only speak for EHC, but this happens rarely, only when we are at war and we feel people are going to be hit. They're roleplayed hidden, in bushes etc for easy access. Nobody wants to run inside their house to /takegun while their block is being lit up. It's realistic to roleplay having it close by.

I'd like to state I might be using PD too liberally, I am well aware LSSD is actually trying to create some RP with us and aren't as bad as their counterpart. Most of my complaints in the thread are directly against LSPD. Can't speak for other factions but we are at war with half the server and every other week a new faction beefs us. So, we need to stay on "defense". BUT, we always try to hide the guns realistically, put them under furniture, /spawn bags and /lg the guns under them, etc etc. but most of the times that does fuck all since LSPD just drives past once, and then 20 cruisers show up with a chopper, claiming they "spotted the gun". We in EHC are building a casefile and have logs going back since July. I personally haven't bothered contributing to this because in my experience, nothing ever changes on LS-RP since management is too complacent to hurt the LEO playerbase and thus it's always the illegal RPers that have to suffer under dog shit standards of RP. But I will make sure to log the next times this happens, if I can be bothered to hop in game at all anymore, since this is just demotivating for most of our senior members and myself. The big issue is: we can't roleplay on a roleplay server because LSPD is running around like this is a free for all DM server and both us and 59 Harlows and probably other factions can agree to this. I guarantee illegal factions put out 100x more RP than LSPD does in a night. We are told to roleplay characters and not stone cold killers, but I bet nobody in LSPD is familiar with the concept of developing a character. We are told to RP realistically, but Kane can come and check for bulges every night, surrounded by 5-10 ppl and get bodied every night. Oh, and PK rules don't apply to PD for some reason, they can just respawn and bother us again.

For everyones information: I've advised any faction member of the LSPD that wishes to comment on this topic they should state they play in the LSPD faction. I find this to be important when reviewing opinions because I think the mentality can vary from faction to faction. I can emphasize with your frustration but again I encourage you to report this in PM's to me if it's a member of the LSPD. (dark blue/black uniforms) It doesn't need to be an essay, a few words and a screenshot + the name of the person that's breaking rules is enough. Additionally just to illustrate the stop and search policies and play to win mentality is not something the LSPD leadership supports. You can read about internal restrictions here (it's public) (( Special Order No. 10-25 – Increasing the standard of roleplay and faction mentality - OOC Expectations )) I've received 0 reports so far (when I initially posted my statement on the topic that preceeded this) so please let us know. Another good point to which I want to clarify what framework is used. I've said this in the illegal faction discord but I'll say it again in the hopes of clearing up this issue. Please also note that we advise LSPD faction members to exercise discrection (ie. not inisting on seeing the firearms everytime when an issue arises) . consistency — 4/24/25, 9:01 AM one more thing that causes tensions that i'd encourage illegal factions leaders to make their members aware of is under Rule 3 - Powergaming, the explicit mention of when a weapon can be roleplayed seen (eg. during a traffic stop. Even if you've roleplayed hiding the weapon but have the weapon on you it can be roleplayed as seen and an admin will confirm this. You need to place the weapon. Los Santos Roleplay Server Rules

I agree with the start but unfortunately not all factions can have the same standards as honestly, most are made for a month of fun, shooting and then they close - happens all the time. But I again don't think that gives the PD the right to treat both factions the same. I know for a fact if there was a sensible approach between PD and EHC we could make it work and actually enjoy it.

We're actually tired of having to deal with this constantly. Your role sets the full example LSPD follows but you seem oblivious to this.

You should ask LFM for that I'm not the one who enforces those rules. He's part of SADCR and he can't roleplay security guard on duty and abuse SADCR weapons so yeah lessbo

Still trying to figure out how being hired in a company and as security guard means breaking a rule, still trying to figure out how shooting back at four armed people who started shooting us even after hearing the sirens is breaking the rules, so ye basically still trying to figure out how self defense is breaking rules

Another point lets not pretend that GANG roleplayers will not shoot PD/SD for /ticket ID 2500 "Driving without insurance". Also why are people hanging around their houses with M4/SHOTGUN in hand? Like hide it leave it inside your house, you can carry DGL with you why you have to flex your M4/SHOTGGUN in hand?

My point was that EHC set a high standard that most other gang factions do not adhere to. Law enforcement factions have always responded to the present standard of illegal RP and the reason EHC and the few other respectable gang factions are being crushed under their heavy hand is because most of them can't behave. When DTOs were huge on the server, we had Gang and Narcotics roleplaying and interacting with that aspect of criminality. When we had several huge crime families on the server, we had detective bureaus working around the clock to provide a realistic counter. Now we have spastics spawning in with M4s and rolling through Idlewood four deep with the sole purpose of putting somebody on a t-shirt. The policing standards adapted accordingly.

Another point, lets not pretend the PD don't lose their shit when you place a weapon during a traffic stop too, and they see that "places something in the vehicle" /ame .. "NO MOVEMENTS". Legit roleplaying putting a pistol under the seat, not trying to move a tank.

Said all that needs to he said. Slamming blame on LEOs while not looking into the fact that 80% of the playerbase would rather “shoot it out because they don’t wanna go to jail” is absurd to me. I’m only speaking on this since multiple comments mentioned the entire concerns about the entire downhill par of rp of the LEO scene as a whole, I’ll be speaking from an SD standpoint considering it is the faction a belong to. SD has been giving out the best that could be done to most factions regardless of the constant breakage of server policies and rules and the absurd mentality and attitude glooming over the server as a whole Multiple comments showed evident that the complaints keep hovering around the fact that the community is upset that they get caught after publicly display long guns and heavy weapons. Instead of throwing the blame entirely on LEOs with having zero idea of the amount of sub-par rp we are faced with on a daily basis thanks to the downgrading and crazy spiraling down par of rp for the entire server is not it. No LEO factions randomly starts going ham, I’d advise you lot see for yourselves the way you react with law enforcement considering majority you all would rather “shoot my way out than go to jail” which is an unhealthy mentality that glooms over the entire server. Be the change you want to see. You can not expect something from LEOs when the entirety of the server had a downhill mindset and par of rp, yes some factions are indeed flourishing and have very great and high level roleplay, but expecting LEOs to just suddenly stop and treat you differently just because while the whole server would rather “shoot and kill cops for dm montages & not go to jail” There are several groups that go in game with the soul purpose of killing cops, no wonder LEO levels would drop thanks to this messed up attitude. LEOs, primarily SD as this is the faction I belong to and am able to speak about, are not here to police your server, yes, but you do have to expect to he caught after pulling stunts like drive by shootings in the middle of the city in broad daylight with several patrol cars around and multiple detectives to investigate. It’s not about “winning” we get absolutely nothing from confiscating your weapons or arresting you, we just want to provide and RECEIVE proper role play and enjoy our time on the server, thats it. I’ve said it once and i’ll say it again. Harsher punishments is a must for both parties, we wouldn’t be here if there were genuine punishments applied to clear and absurd behavior instead of a “slap on the hand” or “It will be better on Rage”.

This whole, start roleplaying characters narrative is stupid. EHC has been here since the relaunch, and we've had characters develop since the beginning. There has been many development story lines and people who have put months into characters instead of jumping off the porch as a straight up killer. What you're referring to, in terms of opps in death screen isn't something that is constant, it's something that happens based on IC events, i.e. the recent Harlow war. Again, it's storylines. It's dependant what is happening IC. Continue to look through threads and you'll see those currently developing. Imo, how gangs are now acting with PD is purely down to them being fed up with the same old shit. Every cop wants to pull you over for nothing in hopes it turns violent, every cop wants to RP seeing you with a pistol in your car, every cop wants to search you from head to toe and find those 2 MDMA pills you have hidden. It's all play to win. The standards are on the floor.

(On my phone) Although a police presence is part of this server I can relate to the ratio being less than optimal. When SAMP relaunched it was actually the other way around for a brief moment. One thkng to note is that I've seen illegal roleplayers turn to LEO and I suspect its because in their opinion theres nothing to do. Again with traffic stops I'll quote this and stress that by reading the linked topic you might gain some insight on what is acceptable (for the LSPD) and what isnt. If you have a situation that isnt according to it take a screenshot and PM a few lines as a report (Name of the person breaking the rule is needed I can't just terminate/discipline everyone) As for the ratio: I'm not opposed to a LEO hiring freeze until RAGE (for thosd who have never been LEOs on LSRP; This is important) but our condition is that other factions (LSSD) are frozen too and that's up to LFM/HoLF