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Anyone here would like to VC upon this topic? I'm in Room 3, main Discord.
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14 minutes ago, i dont wanna od in LA said:
I'd rather they do it despite it being unrealistic over having a whole new LEO faction centered solely around this very small piece of the community. It just isn't needed in any way or form.
Also, it's actually not even that unrealistic. SD can just NPC that the probation dept. exists somewhere in the background. http://pars.lasd.org/Viewer/Manuals/13233/Content/14325 LASD has probation/parole compliance teams.This a team. A unit. This isn’t their main duties as it says, I’ve been aware of PARS & this topic. Continue reading to see where it mentions Los Angeles County Probation Department.
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Just now, JJDAOPP said:
Yes I put it here, but not to convince… It’s just to see you guy’s thoughts, not convince. Why would I convince you all? I’m a community member too, and we don’t have the last say so.
Oh, yeah. Just direct-message me regarding that!
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1 minute ago, Tseard1 said:
You posted it in the general discussions board for everyone in the community to talk about and to give their opinion. If this was only for faction management, you should've PMed them your proposal.
I do not see why you can not answer those questions on this thread, so that everyone else sees it and can discuss.
Yes I put it here, but not to convince… It’s just to see you guy’s thoughts, not convince. Why would I convince you all? I’m a community member too, and we don’t have the last say so.
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Just now, Tseard1 said:
By the way, to add to this.
On GTAW we barely had people who wanted to roleplay parole or probation, even when issued by the courts. Making a whole faction for this is just going to waste time for everyone involved. If there is not a parolee/probation online, then there is nothing to do. Timezones are an issue which made doing roleplay even harder. At peak time, we had 5 active files on parolees but that didn't mean they played every single day. You can also not do a checkup or a test every day on the same person because you will interrupt their roleplay and time.
This doesn't even justify a faction on it's own.
GTAW versus LS-RP:V. Two different leaderships, communities, and sectors of role-play.
Parole & Probation doesn’t always require us to be on, as stuff wouldn’t just be happening on a day-to-day basis. It would take time. Our job isn’t to go out and patrol streets, we’d sit in a headquarters, building, office until we are needed.
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7 minutes ago, Tseard1 said:
Because I want to get an understanding in how versed you are in this topic, hence why I asked my questions that you avoided. I'd still like an answer to these questions, otherwise I doubt you'll be capable to lead such an organization.
The reason why it should be explained is because you are making a suggestion for a faction. I am not sure if you have ever been in a position of setting up a faction or bureau, but you don't just put down a simple summary and then think you'll be convincing enough.
My job honestly isn’t to convince you all, it would be Faction Management, yes?
And I request that you direct-message me and I for surely will answer anything desired to be known.
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7 hours ago, luca said:
The Los Santos County Sheriff's Department takes responsibility for Custody matters, but only for parole at this very moment. Also, I'm not sure if you can recall this faction a Peace Officer Agency. You'll need this to be granted by the Faction Team which I do believe that is not going to agree with this because we already have two POA's. Sometimes, we shouldn't forget that this is a game and yes, the whole point of it is to portray the real-life, but not to copy it. And also, if you're implementing so many things, people aren't going to have fun anymore. It'll be just about which protocol do you use in X situation.
Understood, thank you.
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9 hours ago, Genny said:
No need for things to get overly complicated when LSSD already handles custody operations. If you want to do that, join their faction and help.
Custody Operations is not dealing with this faction’s duties.
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9 hours ago, mattmocz said:
I don't think this as needed at the start, we do not need another faction to overcomplicate things. LSSD is currently handling custody operations and I believe they are in need of people to help with that. I'd encourage you to reach out to them and offer your ideas/assistance there.
Not the start, thank you. LSSD can handle Custody Operations, that does not mean Parole, Probation, or things of that nature. But thanks for this!
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9 hours ago, radreaper100 said:
I don't speak for or represent any faction officially but I believe the LSSD has a parole task force already and this is unlikely to be accepted.
I believe they do as well, but if our goal is to be realistic, here’s another option. Thanks bro!
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10 hours ago, LordSpyx said:
DCR has merged to be under the LSSD faction. They are responsible for the prison system, as laid out in their forums. This is the realistic approach. The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department oversees the correctional facility that the in-game one is being based upon. You might only be basing things off of Texas, but legal factions for LSRP are based upon their California counterparts, seeing as if the base game of GTA V is located in a fictional California.
This is in real life? Los Angeles County Probation Department.
LASD in real life ONLY handles Custody Assistance at Twin Towers Correctional Facility. CDCR is an agency that would handle “Boiling Broke” if you wanted to be 100% realistic.
‘The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department oversees the correctional facility that the one in-game is being based upon’. This is not true at all, Boiling Broke is a federal facility, LASD has no business there technically. And from my knowledge, isn’t Boiling Broke based off of Victorville Federal Prison?
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20 minutes ago, Fiendfyre said:
Didn't you say in your last post about wanting to create a faction that we're not California?
That’s why this idea was brought to play. Everyone complained of it not being realistic & portraying of LA.. Here is one that exists.
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1 minute ago, i dont wanna od in LA said:
SD already does that or plans to do that since they merged with DCR.
But that isn’t the most realistic approach, at all. SD can handle Custody Operations as much as they choose. Only because SD is technically Custody Assistants in real life and they have no SADCR faction.
Also, incase you didn’t know SADCR would technically handle Boiling Broke. SD would handle Twin Towers, so that isn’t as realistic either.
As listed above, SD can continue handling Boiling Broke, allow for Probation Department to handle the probation, parole, and so on side of things.
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5 hours ago, Tseard1 said:
It seems to me that your goal is to lead an law enforcement agency by all the suggestions and the posts that you have made.
Can you explain to me what the difference between probation and parole? What are you going to do on a day to day basis? How would a checkup on a parolee/probationer take place?
With respect, what you've written is something that anyone can just write up with minimal research. I don't really see this as a serious suggestion by the fact that it's so little. You explain your background, then the faction's minimal background, then lay out basic information about what you will do and then some conclusion. Faction's don't get stumped out from the ground by a simple 500 word topic and I highly doubt you are going to convince anyone in this community without having a proper plan.
Negatce. That isn’t MY goal. I’m bringing up an idea that anyone here can take over to be fair.
And why should everything be explained? All of the research conducted will go into the faction’s thread, bot a general discussion’s section.
Parole versus Probation was defined in the top, I put it there.
I doubt convincing here is the issue, everyone is just bound to say it’s not needed until down the line people want to expand. To be honest, a number of things aren’t needed, but that does not mean it can not be implemented.
If you have any concerns or questions toward the research I conducted. Contact me via dm?
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6 hours ago, i dont wanna od in LA said:
Simply not needed.
Why’d you say that? I’m sure most illegal-factions would love to roleplay house arrest, probation, and parole. Also some other unlisted things.
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6 hours ago, Maxim said:
Us portraying Los Angeles doesn't mean things can always be a 1:1 resemblance, it's just impossible and complicated (with the no. 1 proof being IRL bureaucracy).
Erm.. So the issue with the Constables was it was unrealistic
. So it doesn’t have to be a 1:1 resemblance? This is a more realistic approach aside from that, and a few people just referred me to that.
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6 minutes ago, Spicey said:
Good idea, hard to put into practice imo, gl though. Keep in mind you're gonna be role playing the largest probation department in USA, however the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office has a parole division by the way.
Just conducted a bit of research on that. They have a DA's Office Probation Violation Unit. That is for violation, not necessarily the err rehabilitation.
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7 minutes ago, Fiendfyre said:
Probation should be worked out between the courts, SD, and state government. It's not needed to be its own department imo.
Well, "should be" only stands for so much. SD doesn't handle probation, they aren't allowed that responsibility in real life as far as I know.. And we're trying to portray Los Angeles, California.
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3 minutes ago, Spicey said:
Good idea, hard to put into practice imo, gl though. Keep in mind you're gonna be role playing the largest probation department in USA, however the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office has a parole division by the way.
Thanks, and yep I understand. Not sure if that's on this game.
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Hello everyone, I'm JayJay / flexlikejj / jjdaopp and I'm back once again after wanting to create the Los Santos Bail Bonds faction, Los Santos County Constables, and so on.. If you did not know I'm from Houston, Texas and I'm born and raised here. Thanks for tuning in, let me know your thoughts and concerns below!!
Probation, defined — Probation is granted to offenders accused of misdemeanors or low-level felonies. Probation permits offenders to live and work in the community, support their families, receive rehabilitative services and make restitution to the victims of their crimes. (BY A JUDGE)
Parole, defined — Parole is granted to convicted felons that have already completed a portion of their prison sentence. When on parole, you're set free from a facility and able to enter the regular world. You're still under arrest by law. (BY A JUDGE)
LOS SANTOS COUNTY PROBATION DEPARTMENT — LSCPD
The Los Santos County Probation Department would be considered another Legal Faction & also Peace Officer Agency. The Los Santos County Probation Department was founded in 1903 with the enactment of San Andreas's first probation laws. Captain Luke Walker was appointed as the first Chief Probation Officer of Los Santos County.
This Legal Faction / Peace Officer Agency is the department that handles dynamic and evidence based department careers in law enforcement and community service that range from special enforcement and investigations in addition to housing-based programs working with families and children.A personnel member of Los Santos County Probation Department works with and monitors offenders to prevent them committing new crimes, this includes the monitoring of juvenile offenders.
REASONS FOR THIS FACTION:
This faction is somehow needed in many ways or forms, reasons of such and details included will all resort back to this title.
NOTE: The primary goals of Los Santos County Probation Department are to rehabilitate the defendant, protect society from further criminal conduct by the defendant and protect the rights of the victim.
- There will be a court system eventually & may or may not be held in game.
- The court system may allow individuals to receive parole or probation.
- The LSSD handles Custody Operations, realistically for the TTCF. TTCF doesn't exist from what I've heard, Boiling Broke is the facility for people. With that being stated, LSCPD should handle Probation and Parole as LASD in real life, from my knowledge, only provides support within hearings and inside of the court. They're basically there to keep a individual calm and collected.
- LSCPD would bring more realism to the game, especially for factions involving the prison like The Black Car.
- LSCPD would handle Probation and Parole, judges would grant it, and we'd provide general checks, piss test, and more.
- This would bring more roleplay for illegal-faction members as they'd be on house-arrest, monitored by a probation officer, and so on.
- This faction would bring more roleplay for the community in general as it persists in more law enforcement duties, but, maintains to handle strictly rehabilitation.
CONCLUSION:
More information upon this topic will be added on a further notice. Please let me know your thoughts, concerns, suggestions, and so on below. Also reminder, this doesn't have to be implemented upon day of realize, let along be implemented at all. I'm just looking to see you individuals thoughts!
Also, I'm somewhat aware that SD handles Parole and Probation, but why not take a more realistic approach? Honestly we should have SADCR restored again!
Thank you.
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1 hour ago, mattmocz said:
Regardless of the arguments above of this whether this exists in California or not, which doesn’t matter because we aren’t California, I don’t see a need for this to exist within the current state of the server. This isn’t really a faction that is going to be needed at launch. One crucial thing before suggesting the creation of a new faction, especially a LEO one, is to be able to point out exactly why it’s needed (there are no reasons currently). PD/SD will be plenty enough for launch.
Yes they will be plenty/more than enough for launch. My whole idea isn’t based on NOW. This is a future reference. But, reasons will come down the line as the server develops.
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3 hours ago, Aaron said:
Nice idea but another GTA V RageMP roleplay server suffered from this exact issue of having 20 different LEO factions who varied in quality. I don’t think a third one is necessary at the moment when the server hasn’t even launched!
Yep currently this faction is unnecessary. But me bringing the idea and my thoughts up doesn’t mean it has to be implemented now or ever, honestly. I feel this idea would benefit the community & cause a change in scenery, every server features the same basic departments & never had a Constables faction. A Constables faction would definitely bring some different scenery to the table.
And yes, other servers do fail. But here there are no more than 5, 6, or 7 legal factions (including the possibility of this). It won’t fail as the server features great leadership, and agreements would be established within GOV and OOC’ly between departments.
It won’t fail the game if this is implemented, I’ll promise that. This is a nice idea in my opinion, and you all will have to see it in action to truly understand.
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4 hours ago, vaininsanity said:
Cool idea but no.
Thank you! Why’d you say no?
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5 hours ago, Tseard1 said:
I highly doubt this is something that the server needs or wants. We've all l seen what happened on W with a certain faction that tried to form themselves into a State Police.
My advise to you right now would to be to either apply for the LSPD or the LSSD, both are recruiting at this moment.
Understood. Some may want and other’s may not. And honestly, these other servers sometimes fail to have great authentic leadership. LS-RP:V isn’t a bootleg community & never has been. With the leadership & administration we have? A faction like such is bound to be successful & great. We won’t allow corruption or anything like that, it’d be a change of environment & normal habitat. This is basically the Law Enforcement version of Gruppe 6, except we do not install equipment, nor check houses, and things in that nature; we’d serve peace officer duties and civil matters.
I currently am already in LSPD, I love the faction, along with it’s leadership. But that doesn’t make me want to stop striving for these Constables to be implemented and created, it would create some fire role-play for people in general. Jurisdiction arguments are real, even in California. And also with that, SD & PD oversees us, we don’t hold the highest power.
State Police, Highway Patrol, and Constables are two different things. Constables are much more community based & civilianized. Same duties, different regiments.
San Andreas and California co-existing? (LSRP Lore)
in General Discussions Archive
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No. Los Santos is a lore version of Los Angeles. San Andreas is the lore version of California. Even the developers of Rockstar/GTA V stated it. Why is there a need for this to be an island it wouldn't be connected? That breaks the lore, even knowing that Los Angeles can be driven to. If Los Santos is Los Angeles, reason for an island is? It isn't Hawaii.