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Think about this logically because more often than not the players behind the characters aren't adults and then it's full on paedophile shit. On PedoW*rld EVERYTHING is paywalled, kids with no money are actively erp'ing with adults for OOC shit like P*doPoints, even in-game cash or a stupid little virtual cat that jankily follows them around. It's a hotbed for predatory activity on minors. 

Realistically something like stopping all erp happening is nigh impossible but, with OOC consequences it would make erp taboo and less people would be inclined to do it on the server. Age verification applications could be created, similar to gun licenses but with real world I.D needing to be shown in the application and then once accepted, the erpers in-game, before the erp takes place make a /report for admins to age verify both parties are 18+. Now I'm not saying you need to verify your age to take part in illegal roleplay, only for players that want to sit there doing some grimey anims and typing /me's with their left hand. I know the age verification process seems long and invasive but at the end of the day, think of the children. 

What meaningful roleplay and development has ever come from writing /me's of a sexual scene when it could just be faded to black?

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A lot of role players actively ERP.

 

Erotic role play is I dare say also a big reason for many people to roleplay in a first place. They just like/need to do it for (reasons).

 

Psychology a-side, people are going to ERP regardless of what you do. If you ban roleplaying in-game, people will just do it on discord and similar venues on behalf of their LS:RP characters. At this point, you're better off to let it happen in-game instead, where you can log and moderate it if the need arises (these worst case scenarios).

 

That being said, ERP is not the problem. The problem is people who solely ERP, or rather fail to produce public quality roleplay. Instead of trying to and failing to combat ERP, what we should do is crack down on roleplaying quality, concept portrayal, realistic development and/or however you want to call it. The problem is the boatload of 20 y/o mary-sue characters that happen to be supermodels, professional street racers, business owners and cold hearted killers in the same time. Stereotypically, these "kinds" of people do ERP a lot, but it isn't their ERP that is the problem, it's everything else.

 

Focus on things we can realistically combat. Start deleting "bad" characters, let these "not fit for LS:RP" bans fly and generally try to actually encourage, uphold and enforce quality with more effort than just on-paper one (we're a heavy rp server, don't metagame << is that really the bar?).

 

What people do in the privacy of their bedrooms probably doesn't bother you IRL, and it shouldn't bother you here.

 

PS: I get your point and the playerbase you are refering to, but you're focusing on the wrong thing.

 

PS2: The paedophilia topic is too long to get into, CBA, but yeah - it's bad.

 

One thing though, banning in-game ERP will make it harder to spot paedos in the community, not easier, because our users will be groomed in discord dms rather than an in-game bedroom.

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I mean honestly should be in the rules that anyone engaging into Erotic Role-play should ask oocly via DM in game if the other person or persons are 18+ and consent to the role-play. Now if someone lies about their ages by claiming they are above 18 then that's another story, a bit like going to a bar and hooking up with someone that's 17 but had a fake ID that said 21...  Obviously illegal and disgusting to have ERP with a minor, no exceptions. And no one under 18 in game should do any ERP or have any kind of sexual oriented role-play or behaviour.

 

Or add a system that proves your age but even then that's a lot of efforts for something that'll get breached. 
I'm not sure what's the point of role-playing full ERP when you can just fade to black, I personally don't see the purpose, maybe just role-play after the act, not sure on how engaging in a fully detailed sexual encounter vs faded to black adds anything but some people want it I guess?

 

Also what's worse? Detailed erotic role-play of two adults having sex or detailed gore torture/murder? I think the latter is much worse...

 

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Completely agree, ERP should be banned. Setting limitations and countermeasures only adds more unnecessary work for admins and the same end result could be reached by just completely banning it.

 

Firstly, it adds absolutely nothing to the server and only causes issues. Character development is brought up a lot as the reason, its bad character development and unnecessary. If you really need it, F2B. All it does is make the server host more people who play it purely for ERP, or are pedophiles / perverts, and in my opinion we should fight something like that. I personally don't think LS-RP should be the platform where people satisfy their mental or physical sexual needs, they can go to porn sites for that and do not tell me there is some other reason you would ERP.

 

Secondly, the Discord argument brought up by Scandalouz. Whatever goes on in Discord DMs is not happening on LS-RP, and not banning it purely because it would happen anyways means we unintentionally or intentionally harbour weirdos on this platform. Discord DMs automatically leave logs and are way easier to report than something that happens IG. Weirdos find victims from every large Discord server.

 

It happening anyways even if it's banned is a dumb counterargument. Banning it would mean it's against the rules and less people engage in it, as well as softcore ERP wouldn't be happening publicly like it does otherwise. Way too many players RP as escorts or regular civilians who ERP day to day. I don't think those are players who we want here, as they add nothing to the server roleplay wise, they can stay on servers where it's encouraged.

 

If you want to ERP then go play Second Life or VRChat or wherever that stuff happens usually. LS-RP shouldn't be the platform for it.

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Hell yeah, ban it. It's just useless drama full of admins spectating the esex, perverts, fucking pedos and other weird edgy stuff. 

 

Before the "bHuT whAt aBouT kiSsEs aNd oTerMinor Stuff???111" guys arrive, no. Those are not disturbing roleplay, nor it falls under esexing. You can't use them to have an excuse for your one-hand-8-hour-esex-adventure. There should be a clear line between doing stuff that improves your character development / the roleplay and turning the server into PHub. 


Full support, LS-RP shouldn't be the haven for the esexers.

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I feel like people might disregard the rule in general, with risk of being punished.

 

Like someone stated above, age verification is important and should be made mandatory, even when creating your UCP account. unless you want to be on the FBI's watchlist that is.

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God, just stop trying to get into what people RP or not. If you agree with it you just do it, if you don't then don't do it.

Of course there should be limits. You would never allow things lie pedophilia, etc. But other than that, fuck. Just let people do their thing. 

And ID? Like seriously, I just wanna play after a long day or week of work, I ain't trying to join a nightclub. If you wanna use ID for something, ban as well alcohol, drugs and any kind of illegal RP for minors too since you are influencing them by allowing such things. 

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I think limiting peoples roleplay shouldn't be the the case here.

 

I think the way it was on SAMP was fine and everyone followed it accordingly. Everyone has the option to be involved, be detailed and whatever they want it to be. As many other niches of roleplay people enjoy this category and ultimately as long as the end user is having fun then that should be it.

 

As it's always been this type of roleplay is expected to be roleplayed away from everyone and with consent from both parties. I don't see what's drastically changed here to ban the whole style of roleplay. We have rules in place to stop anything disgusting or illegal happening such as paedophilia and such. The rules even states that any form of romantic or sexual roleplay with minors is forbidden, if you choose to break it then I'm sure you'll never play here again, so it's on you.

 

If you want to bring in ID Verification then enable it for the whole server and not one area of roleplay, as many other areas are similar and can have the same affect on people. This is a GAME at the end of the day and we shouldn't limit what people do.

 

Issue is too many people are hung up on what other communities and people are doing so think it actually affects them, when in reality those participating in such roleplay they've probably never interacted with on IC or OOC basis.

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18 hours ago, mhrhan said:

Hell yeah, ban it. It's just useless drama full of admins spectating the esex, perverts, fucking pedos and other weird edgy stuff. 

 

Before the "bHuT whAt aBouT kiSsEs aNd oTerMinor Stuff???111" guys arrive, no. Those are not disturbing roleplay, nor it falls under esexing. You can't use them to have an excuse for your one-hand-8-hour-esex-adventure. There should be a clear line between doing stuff that improves your character development / the roleplay and turning the server into PHub. 


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I see no reason why we need to implement a rule or create such rule to limit RPers who do this stuff. Just don't do it in public where some people won't be comfortable with it and it should just be fine. 

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ID verification will never happen and none of us would be a fan of sending pictures of your documents to strangers. 

 

 

In terms of ERP. 

 

1) It adds absolutely nothing positive. We live in year 2022, where people being horny and weird on the internet is more common than ever. ERPing is high on the list of roleplay for many characters, we can see it best from the other server, which shall not be named. Its all fun and cool to say but it didn't happen on SAMP, GTA 5 RP has the newer generation mostly playing on it and if it is happening on that server, it will here too as the playerbase will spread out, maybe not THAT much, but still plenty for it to be annoying. I'm pretty sure the majority of us don't want to play on a server that is basically somewhat of a 18+ chatroom. 

 

2) The sole reason people ERP is to satisfy their mental or physical sexual needs. GTA V might be 18+, but LS-RP isn't, and even if it was, I don't personally think it should be the platform where someone satisfies their sexual needs. Go to PornHub for that. Plus it gives reasons for pedophiles and perverts to play the server, banning it would make at least some of them quit.

 

3) Players who would complain over it being banned are not the ones we would want anyways, as they're the reason for this thread being made in the first place. 

 

4) Even if its done in private, softcore versions of it will still happen in public. 

 

 

TLDR; It adds absolutely nothing and only causes issues. Players who will complain over it being banned are not who we would want anyways. Its a virtual sexual act done for IRL sexual satisfaction, and LS-RP is not PornHub, nor 18+, hence the limiting roleplay excuse does not apply here in my eyes and it should not be happening on the server.

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I think the way we had it in SAMP was sufficient - it wasn't done in public, there were basic rules surrounding it and in 99% of the cases people would follow them, haven't heard about any complaints regarding since like 2014. Micromanaging peoples roleplay seems a little too invasive to be honest, especially as long as it's realistic and doesn't bother anyone not involved. After all, this would be quite hard to control anyways, and in my opinion, it's a waste of staffs time.

 

Yet, I would target to punish players that use LSRP as a platform solely for erp and nothing else - that I wouldn't approve.

 

And another thing, this kind of restriction would eliminate various roleplay ventures we had before - prostitution rings, unlicensed strip clubs etc. Things that involve both the illegal and legal roleplayers. I've had a quite a lot of interesting investigations into the prostitution rings back when I was VICE. 

 

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3) Players who would complain over it being banned are not the ones we would want anyways, as they're the reason for this thread being made in the first place. 

 

I'd say this is a bit of an overstatement. I personally haven't engaged in any of those acts myself, but I'm against restricting roleplay which isn't unrealistic or bothering/offensive to others. I'll repeat myself once again - the way we had it in samp was perfectly fine.

 

And as for age verification - I'm sure that by collecting personal data like DOB etc. LSRP would be violating the European General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and could even potentially lead to legal actions. However, most of the donators are 18+ as banks don't allow online transactions on junior cards, nor they give out credits cards to minors. But even that is pointless as I don't see any way how you could implement a age verification system in-game.

 

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On 4/13/2022 at 3:58 PM, vla3 said:

Think about this logically because more often than not the players behind the characters aren't adults and then it's full on paedophile shit. On PedoW*rld EVERYTHING is paywalled, kids with no money are actively erp'ing with adults for OOC shit like P*doPoints, even in-game cash or a stupid little virtual cat that jankily follows them around. It's a hotbed for predatory activity on minors. 

Realistically something like stopping all erp happening is nigh impossible but, with OOC consequences it would make erp taboo and less people would be inclined to do it on the server. Age verification applications could be created, similar to gun licenses but with real world I.D needing to be shown in the application and then once accepted, the erpers in-game, before the erp takes place make a /report for admins to age verify both parties are 18+. Now I'm not saying you need to verify your age to take part in illegal roleplay, only for players that want to sit there doing some grimey anims and typing /me's with their left hand. I know the age verification process seems long and invasive but at the end of the day, think of the children. 

What meaningful roleplay and development has ever come from writing /me's of a sexual scene when it could just be faded to black?

 

Obviously I know this is a joke since you created your account yesterday and only have one post, which is this(No-ERP-Rule) and that's the purpose you made this profile(vla3).  I will say this to you or to anyone who actually thinks this topic is serious, if what players like to RP in private bothers you even if you never participate in that kind of role-play then you shouldn't play with others since it has nothing to do with you anyway. You might as well go play singleplayer, you can rp and talk to yourself and only do things of your own interests that way you never get upset with anyone else or their opinions/interests of what they like to rp. Kind of sounds like a loner but fyi, that's not how irl works. You can't like everything and the things others do around you where you might find things that are cringe or horrible, it's apart of life and should be taken in-character as well for realism. - If this type of rp bothers you, then you can't really consider yourself a good rper, I believe LS-RP has understood that point for over a decade. 

 

And there's plenty of role-play and development that comes from erotic role-play such as actual filming companies, abuse, drugs, gang-involvement, relationship creating and marriages, strip-clubs and partying just like in real life. We might as well fade-to-black all club openings and just make all players pay entry fee's, then tell them to leave immediately, would save time. - Think about the quality of role-play. 

 

The Rules relating to LS-RP Samp for the last 12 years was fine regarding e-rp which everyone followed, minors typically shouldn't be participating in such rp and they shouldn't be playing gta either.  But as mentioned, I haven't seen any real issues regarding it over my long-term of Roleplaying in LS-RP so I think our general rules are good that we have in place.

 

- Also if you're only typing with your left hand, you must be a slow roleplayer. #quality.

 

 

 

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On 4/13/2022 at 9:07 PM, SCANDALOUZ said:

A lot of role players actively ERP.

 

Erotic role play is I dare say also a big reason for many people to roleplay in a first place. They just like/need to do it for (reasons).

 

Psychology a-side, people are going to ERP regardless of what you do. If you ban roleplaying in-game, people will just do it on discord and similar venues on behalf of their LS:RP characters. At this point, you're better off to let it happen in-game instead, where you can log and moderate it if the need arises (these worst case scenarios).

 

That being said, ERP is not the problem. The problem is people who solely ERP, or rather fail to produce public quality roleplay. Instead of trying to and failing to combat ERP, what we should do is crack down on roleplaying quality, concept portrayal, realistic development and/or however you want to call it. The problem is the boatload of 20 y/o mary-sue characters that happen to be supermodels, professional street racers, business owners and cold hearted killers in the same time. Stereotypically, these "kinds" of people do ERP a lot, but it isn't their ERP that is the problem, it's everything else.

 

Focus on things we can realistically combat. Start deleting "bad" characters, let these "not fit for LS:RP" bans fly and generally try to actually encourage, uphold and enforce quality with more effort than just on-paper one (we're a heavy rp server, don't metagame << is that really the bar?).

 

What people do in the privacy of their bedrooms probably doesn't bother you IRL, and it shouldn't bother you here.

 

PS: I get your point and the playerbase you are refering to, but you're focusing on the wrong thing.

 

PS2: The paedophilia topic is too long to get into, CBA, but yeah - it's bad.

 

One thing though, banning in-game ERP will make it harder to spot paedos in the community, not easier, because our users will be groomed in discord dms rather than an in-game bedroom.

Echoing this, I think @SCANDALOUZ hit the nail on the head with this.

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What are you talking about? The other server already restricts ERP quite heavily, requiring characters and players to be over the age of 18 (they're EXTREMELY strict on this) and completely prohibits any underage erp. LSRP is taking similar steps by banning it. But calling to ban ERP all together is tbh, a little bit ignorant. I doubt you even realize, or attempted to think about how much of an impact it would have on the server as a whole if it was banned, including the economy. 

 

There wouldn't be a need for pimps, hookers, strip clubs and other adult businesses where other players go to meet others and socialize. Relationship roleplay would be extremely limited and hollow and as a result a lot of characters emotions would just feel forced. So as I said calling to ban ERP is childish irresponsible. If you don't like ERP, nobody is forcing you to participate in it, so don't. Otherwise please, shut up.

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I don’t ERP, I’ve never ERP’d, and I don’t intend to begin ERPing.

 

With that said, if two people want to have that roleplay session together - go fucking nuts😂 I don’t think it really matters. As long as the ERP itself isn’t under some crazy taboo pretense - then whatever.

 

Don’t get me wrong, it’s weird people enjoy doing this shit - but fuck it bro it’s your life lmao

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Yeah... sure. I'd love to be an admin and go around spectating people because I suspect they're ERPing and literally cry myself to sleep because of what I witnessed. No thanks.

 

Nothing is stopping people from avoiding ERP altogether or fading to black if they're uncomfortable with the roleplay but want it included with their storyline.

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This feels like the die-hard old Christians trying to make a law against nipples, because of the children that'd probably see one or say the word 'nipple.' 💀

Either way, removing ERP would be silly, solely because it's also role-play. You may not like it, but real life lingers on sex a lot too, especially in low class neighbors. Now, the situation in LSRP was unique, and I'd even say that I grew annoyed by ERP because prostitutes would drive Bullets, etc. but then again, that's the incompetence of the previous server. 

 

Let's not forget that street gangsters, or just rap music in general glorifies sex, talking about eating and tonguing pussy, moaning during the beat or how much she gives head. Do you find them just as weird?

Don't pull the "people that do this shit are weirdos" because you're just as weird for both giving a fuck about it, and for role-playing murders and doing drugs. It may not be the same thing, but anyone would be having a chuckle at you for doing these things— especially role-playing the street gangster. People'd just look at you funny for being a wannabe gangster, just like you'd see people doing ERP, as weirdos.

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