A VISION FOR THE FUTURE

[Sfaccimma]

2 hours ago, jcgortez said:

 

Bro what are you actually rambling about? You want staff to make a definite list of instances where a shooting would be OK, and then go on to ramble on and on about how you want to shoot someone for looking at you the wrong way because you're a mobster. You should realize that if a list were ever to be made, there is no way looking at a mobster the wrong way would ever be included in it.

What are you talking about? Certainty though you can't pretend you walk up to a bunch of people in the ghetto or any other group and expect you're allowed to run your mouth and walk away as if nothing happened. I very much doubt you'd do that IRL. You basically put civilians and gangsters on the same level when they're not.

 

Fuck around and find out basically. So yeah, in some instances people who have a dumb behaviour bring it upon themselve if they get killed. But if they have that dumb behaviour and expect people to react to that dumb behaviour so that they feel enabled to just kill them? That's blantant DM.

[MoneybagsCarminati]

Cortez misconstrued what I said, @Sfaccimma.  Maybe he read it wrong.  The topic at hand is this, and do me a favor, dont even argue with him.

 

What I said in short was:

1.  We need PK war lists gone.

2.  We need a stranger system

3.  We need to be harder on deathmatchers and also make a list of whats OK and whats not OK.

 

And the bigger picture in the original post is we need to change the mindset of the players because as it would seem, things have declined in the quality department. And I'm sure he didnt meant that as an attack, considering staff just got rid of 16 ban evaders last week.  They shut down a faction.  They clearly want to make changes so a player made a thread pointing them in the right direction.

 

This thread is more about looking ahead towards a better future in LSRP.  Getting people on board with a change that requires everyone to want something with a little more substance.  

 

Martin Busato wrote a thread about player retention, he's not saying that theres anything wrong with the staff.  This isnt a complaint thread.  He talks about a time in LSRP where it was on an upward trajectory.  Hes recognizing a change in the way people roleplay (culture shift).  He offered up a description of the current state of factions based off of this culture shift.  And he made notice of the LSRP staffs work in upholding standards, and he is describing an older standard in a time where LSRP was more about long term character development than it was about high action roleplay, and instant gratification.  From what I take, he's trying to point the current staff in the right direction for bringing back older players and welcoming newer players by teaching this mindset.  

 

It will be a team effort, this whole thread started with him pointing out the us vs. them mentality that players and staff have developed over a period of time.

 

This thread is full of ideas that will bring LSRP back to its peak level of roleplay quality.

 

It's got my 100% approval.  

Edited October 26 by MoneybagsCarminati
For clarification.

[jcgortez]

5 hours ago, Sfaccimma said:

What are you talking about? Certainty though you can't pretend you walk up to a bunch of people in the ghetto or any other group and expect you're allowed to run your mouth and walk away as if nothing happened. I very much doubt you'd do that IRL. You basically put civilians and gangsters on the same level when they're not.

 

Fuck around and find out basically. So yeah, in some instances people who have a dumb behaviour bring it upon themselve if they get killed. But if they have that dumb behaviour and expect people to react to that dumb behaviour so that they feel enabled to just kill them? That's blantant DM.

 

Excellent reading comprehension. (Not really!)

 

You're right in that you could get shot if you tried pressing someone in the hood in real life. I never said otherwise. Your friend wants the admins to create a list of instances where a shooting would be justified. If a list like that were to be created, there is no way looking at someone the wrong way - which he wants to do - would be included in it. Instead of having a list, admins can evaluate situations on a case by case basis, which is exactly how it's done now. So what exactly did you or your friend achieve by rambling on and on about how you want to shoot someone for looking at you wrong because you're a mobster but you also want the admins to clamp down harder on DMers?

[MoneybagsCarminati]

Alright.  This is what Busato is talking about when he talks about the culture shift.

 

I think you should reread whats actually being said here, because without arguing, you've misconstrued what I said and you've derailed the main focus.  Also, I think that this thread is less about my contribution and more about what Busato is trying to say, so please, without any disrespect or an attempt to derail this thread with arguement, reread what I wrote and try not to sully this meaningful post with miscontrued argument and paraphrasing.

 

Martin is not rambling, he's remembering a time where LSRP simply had better standards and he makes great points on how to fix the culture shift.  Busato has been here for 12 years minimum in Valenti, the topic deserves the respect of a full understanding of what hes saying.  

 

Lots of people here had made good contributions to this thread, lets keep it that way, please.

[n0de101]

I've had to yeet a few people from this thread already, please keep things civil and on topic. Thank you.

[ismael_velazquez]

LOL its not a surpirse why the Server lost 400 players since it opened . It's not because of What you said, it because the admins banned everyone .

[VaudeVillain]

I really liked this post, I thought it was honest, grounded in reality and provided good feedback. I really liked that it also challenged us the playerbase. 

 

Before LSRP closed in 2021, I like many players absolutely hated LSRP staff, I would rant about them any chance I got and go on tirades on the forums. This is not because I'm a player who was ajailed a million times (I've never been ajailed or banned since joining in 2015) but because I loved the server and felt like they didn't have the servers best interests at heart.  There was some truth to this, LSRP staff at the time were hard to reach, uncommunicative and would often act before consulting the player base. When the server returned, I decided to give LSRP staff another chance still being doubtful however, I've been genuinely surprised at how much more communicative, open, and willing the staff team has been to listening to the playerbase. I think a  part of this was because they were forced into being this way, but I also believe that the staff team does want to see this server succeed, why else would they bring it back?   

 

Many players however, have not given the staff team a chance, I still see many players who shit on the server at any chance and refuse to turn their complaints into suggestions on the forums.  I can understand why the frustration exists, like I said I was once similarly frustrated, but before you quit or log in to mass DM and get banned, I beg you to try to communicate with the staff team or post a suggestion to the forums about the change you wish to see. The server is far from perfect, there have been decisions made since it returned that I disagree with but I do genuinely feel LSRP in 2024 is a place where you can voice your opinion and be heard. 

 

Power to the Players

In line with that and suggestions in the thread, I encourage the staff team to continue to pursue the opinions and thoughts from players at every turn. To see the collective thoughts of the playerbase as a tool to grow, develop and improve the server. The life of the server is dependent on the factions on it, in 2021 when LSRP died it was because just about every major faction quit in protest in a short time span. Factions are the life blood of the server, they show new players the ropes, they create roleplay and it's what the vast majority of the server logs in for. Improving their experience and working with them has to be the priority. Consult faction leaders, talk with new players about their experience, hell even poll the player base about certain decisions and directions the server takes (I know this has occured some). 

 

Don't just give power to the players on the forums or discord however, but in game as well. Within reason, the creativity and ideas of players needs to be unleashed. With such a small playerbase I see no reason why if a player has a good idea which creates roleplay and is realistic with their characters development for it to be unsupported. If a mafia faction wants to do a construction project in Dillimore let them, if a gang wants to own a strip club in their neighborhood but doesn't have the funds OOC give it to them rather than letting it sit unused, if someone wants to start a country club in Las Venturas support it. These things only help the server grow, create roleplay and improve the player and faction experience. I have never understood why things like LSGOV have been unsupported by the staff for years when it can serve as an great outlet to empower players ideas in character. 

[trksthtmn]

 

[Peter_Genusa]

Player oriented, realistic/sensible roleplay focused 

Less bureaucracy 

More assistance and understanding from administrators to factions, I can’t get help with a chop shop and it’s access for months now, that doesn’t help anybody or make them eager to roleplay

[MajorDrills]

Damn, boys, how did we get to this point again, huh?

Why are you still doing stuff from back in 2013, deleting topics like @trksthtmn's?

Just let the topic be and address the issues in an official statement like any normal, civilized, western citizen would do. Stop with the 20th century communist mentality.

Edited October 27 by MajorDrills

[remmy]

 

[Browman1945]

Damn, for the sake of server goodness...stop removing/hiding Raymond post, hes spitting big facts. Its 2024, accept the facts, gotta remove the bad apple, yk. Free my man raymond, youre losing many players here, stop drowning the ship.

[Rye]

3 hours ago, VaudeVillain said:

IFactions are the life blood of the server, they show new players the ropes, they create roleplay and it's what the vast majority of the server logs in for. Improving their experience and working with them has to be the priority. Consult faction leaders, talk with new players about their experience, hell even poll the player base about certain decisions and directions the server takes (I know this has occured some). 

 

Don't just give power to the players on the forums or discord however, but in game as well. Within reason, the creativity and ideas of players needs to be unleashed. With such a small playerbase I see no reason why if a player has a good idea which creates roleplay and is realistic with their characters development for it to be unsupported. If a mafia faction wants to do a construction project in Dillimore let them, if a gang wants to own a strip club in their neighborhood but doesn't have the funds OOC give it to them rather than letting it sit unused, if someone wants to start a country club in Las Venturas support it. These things only help the server grow, create roleplay and improve the player and faction experience. I have never understood why things like LSGOV have been unsupported by the staff for years when it can serve as an great outlet to empower players ideas in character. 

 

A hundred percent this. If it weren't for Valenti, I wouldn't really have bothered coming back. I'm sure a lot of people here feel the same with whichever faction they belong in. I've been trying to give LSGOV a nudge for the past few weeks, and it has worked for the most part. It's largely thanks to eriks, Aleks, and a couple more guys as well. But they're outnumbered by a large amount of inactive people that it's hard to get anything done by themselves.

 

I'm a bit unfamiliar with the whole staff thing since I was either inactive or just solely concerned about my RP the majority of the time I've been here. Just two requests: revive GOV, and support factions--especially official ones. Back them up on their roleplay and reward their creativity by granting whatever it is their roleplay would've realistically gotten them. It doesn't hurt anybody, and it incentivizes great RP. Then watch how it triggers a butterfly effect and witness how the standard of roleplay will rise by itself.

Edited October 27 by Rye

[Hye Powered Rifle]

the server fell on october 20th 2024

[Cashew]

Just fyi for transparency I have also asked the question about why posts are being censored/hidden - I’ve been assured by leadership that, and I quote, “it will be addressed from every point and paragraph they’ve made, it’ll be to the staff team and the wider community”

 

Wouldn’t have been my decision personally, but that’s where we’re at. By all means please continue having discussions but if yous just insult and bitch at each other then the posts are going to get removed, be civil pls