San Andreas and California co-existing? (LSRP Lore)

[xander11]

Lately, all sorts of discussions have been popping up on LSRP's Discord servers about the "lore" behind San Andreas. Management supposedly said that San Andreas would be an island, a different state from California, somewhat separated by waters from the United States mainland. This decision has sparked a chain of debate among community members, with some players embracing this new LSRP universe and others being more comfortable roleplaying that SA is actually Cali.

I personally prefer the more common approach, where SA=CA and any reference to California is simply ignored.

What do you think about it? What does the community actually prefer?

Edited February 23, 2022 by xander11

[i dont wanna od in LA]

san andreas=california 

[La Tweaker]

Personally I prefer to just ignore the existence of California when it comes to my RP, I'm RPing a faction that has heavy SoCal roots IRL and our portrayal would make very little sense if SoCal existed in the ingame world.

[Charles]

San Andreas is California. It would make no sense to RP the existence of both when they're literally identical.

[Sal]

Pretty sure there used to be an official party line on this one, can't remember what it was though. Personally I prefer to see San Andreas as somewhere separate, but at the same time, I'd never actively talk about LA. No strong opinion on this really, whatever suits (so long as people don't start calling LS places by their LA counterpart names, for instance "Hey did you see what happened at Hollywood Bowl?")

[Mac]

Los Santos and San Andreas is a direct copy of Los Angeles and California, having the two co-exist is confusing and doesn't make a lot of sense. Replacing Los Angeles and California with Los Santos and San Andreas is the only option that makes sense realistically, the geography of Los Santos and it being an island in the game is almost entirely due to game limitations; having a copied and pasted Los Angeles, plonking it off the coast of California and calling it Los Santos is a little ridiculous.

Edited February 24, 2022 by Mac

[Chuckles]

I'll be more elaborate on this later on because I'm on my phone, but the idea of being an island based on California while California still exists is very contradictory in itself. Especially considering a lot of the penal codes, law enforcement agencies and factions use it for inspiration. It's easy to give factions and players creative freedom without the need of being a fictional state. This has always been the theme and I don't see the need for the change now.

 

If the problem is lore, this could have been handled very easily ahead of time. It's something both legal and illegal faction management could have revised. I think this approach is bone laziness.

 

Nothing should change from SA-MP other than the recognition of Las Vegas and San Francisco as real cities.

Edited February 23, 2022 by Chuckles

[Chuckles]

Additionally, this is something you'd can't go back on once the server launches. This should be considered as soon as possible.

[Monocle]

Management never said San Andreas will be an island afaik it was already discussed.

https://community.ls-rp.com/forums/topic/626-ls-vs-la/

[Dos Santos]

5 minutes ago, Monocle said:

Management never said San Andreas will be an island afaik it was already discussed.

https://community.ls-rp.com/forums/topic/626-ls-vs-la/

It has been confirmed. San Andreas is going to be acted as a island and we don't connect to the mainland.

[Monocle]

2 minutes ago, Dos Santos said:

It has been confirmed. San Andreas is going to be acted as a island and we don't connect to the mainland.

There should be a talk through with the community before deciding anything, I don't see why would management come up with such as thing without any discussion given that all legal factions are trying to portray departments from real life LA.

How would management explain the resemblance of LS seal and LA one from an IC perspective.

[Mac]

8 minutes ago, Dos Santos said:

It has been confirmed. San Andreas is going to be acted as a island and we don't connect to the mainland.

 

 

This directly contradicts that, which is why it needs to be properly ironed out with a thread on server continuity, not just "Ben said this", "Mmartin said that". Maybe the faction team can work out the server's lore like Chuckles has suggested.

[Tomasso]

18 minutes ago, Dos Santos said:

It has been confirmed. San Andreas is going to be acted as a island and we don't connect to the mainland.

Not questioning the staff's decision but the majority of people don't want that. It makes things complicated for no reason. Los Santos is based on Los Angeles so It makes zero sense to separate them into two different cities. Los Santos has real-life locations found in Los Angeles. People have always assumed that LA is LS.

[RGelfuso]

20 minutes ago, Dos Santos said:

It has been confirmed. San Andreas is going to be acted as a island and we don't connect to the mainland.

Definitely agree that this is the right thing to do. However, the natural next question would be where in relation to Los Santos the cities of San Fierro and Las Venturas would be. Do we act as if they're where their real life counter parts would be on the mainland United States?

[CloutToken]

It’s nonsensical to roleplay San Andreas and California co-existing when both states have identical infrastructure, gangs, government agencies, penal code sections, and so on. The general consensus for the past few years has essentially been to roleplay the state taking place of its real life counterpart. There’s quite literally no reason to roleplay both states co-existing. Roleplaying what should be the second largest city in the US be on an island off the coast of a city that looks very similar makes no sense in the realistic environment we’re trying to emulate.

Edited February 23, 2022 by CloutToken