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32 minutes ago, Chuckles said:

I think the consensus is that low-mid stake games are not really a concern but these high-stake games tend to be relatively unregulated, unrealistic and unchallenged. I'd be in favour of introducing some form of not regulation, but separation. I think if we found a way to segregate them both we'd be working towards common ground. I'm against script regulation for low-mid stake games but high stakes should require some sort of imposition.

 

This locks the formal of this suggestion pretty much. The law should be focused on the high-stake games because they're IRL very regulated and there is not much wind in the manipulation frame with these card games. If segregation appends to an OOC approval of the FM to players who're capable of handling the high-stakes in the most realistic way, then yes, I absolutely agree. And ofcourse, this doesn't only apply to casinos that are going to be managed, but actual players who have the knowledge to organise high-end card games in private. 

 

Low-stake games should stay informal as of the FM approval terms and they're every-day based. There's not much going on with them and if the enhanced picture should go like this, then just maybe this whole picture might get into the enforceable frame.

 

 

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Adding a bunch of limitations and bureaucracy to reshape a certain niche isn't going to solve the main issue that is a very particular group of people not roleplaying on a roleplay server. I'm sorry, but some of you seem to have a hard-on for excessive rules that changes little to nothing other than making things unfun and tiring for those that actually partake in those niches. Besides, I don't think anyone wants to waste their time writing a whole essay on how they're going to be the best at hosting illegal games and then pray that whoever is handling the request isn't going to be biased one way or another.

 

I do agree with limiting high-stake games, though. They can have a huge negative impact on the server as a whole if not properly supervised.

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I'm too lazy to read to pages of comments but your idea sounds very nice - maybe the staff can make a forum thread where people can apply for a poker room table in their house - specifically for factions like mafias where illegal gambling takes place. I remember the whole fiasco against poker - I was an admin at the time and I remember seeing exactly what you described - people just bunnyhopping here and there, without little to no roleplay, to win some money. 

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Blaming people for not having a decent RP is understandable,  but BION, ROUX, and then ROZE were trying to improve some things.  We just needed more time to do it. However, banning gambling basically was one of the reasons of LS-RP's downfall, because gambling was FEEDING many other fields on this server. For example, because of Casinos, money was flowing and it was easier to fund club, clothing shop, restaurant, bar, jewelry store openings &  other legal non-script based operations. It was the source of RP that was feeding the civilian life of the server and it was whacked just by one wrong decision which was banning the gambling. Not a lot of people know how many legal businesses were operating around gambling field. Furthermore  there were factions that based themselves on  bartenders, security officers, event organizers, and drivers, because of increased demand.  Besides, real corporate role-play was created first time  on this server. I know that there were many problems in gambling, but instead of making them illegal (banned in OOC), we should have tried to IMPROVE it.  

 

Illegal factions can always have their illegal gambling operations. We can work this out to make it more attractive for civilian role-players, but banning the legal gambling is not a correct way.

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Agree with you. I heard a lot of stories about how gambling destroyed people's lives. I have never gambled, but my father was a big fan of the Satta king up game. I managed to talk him round to stop. Anyway, the gambling industry was and still is very popular. So it's very hard to limit gambling games. But we can at least make some people reconsider their perspective. I believe that posts like this can serve that purpose.

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According to Daily Gazelle Magazine, all the states in the Union have Gambling legal exception is two, Utah & Hawaii. Why? Because of moral high grounds I believe. From a video game standpoint this is an In-character issue the server hasn’t even started yet. But once that does address it from there. But I’m giving this a -1 because it’s impossible to make gambling illegal. It’s addicting and fun to most people. The most easier way to hustle in a business is to start a casino. I would say if you wanna ban gambling start a movement/protest in-game to make gambling illegal. Similar to the Temperance Movement and the Prohibition of Alcohol. 

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It would just drive it underground and make it more dangerous. Instead, we should promote responsible gambling and ensure that casinos and gambling establishments operate fairly and ethically. As for LS-RP, I think incorporating gambling into the illegal faction scene could be a great idea. It could add a new layer of roleplay and create some engaging scenarios. And who knows, some of those Mallrats will learn a thing or two about proper RP from the illegal factions. Have you checked out any 슬롯 사이트 online? Some have really cool poker games, and it could be a fun way to get some practice in.

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I like your idea of separating the low-mid stake games from the high-stake games, while still allowing for some level of player organization and control.

And of course, as you mentioned, this doesn't just apply to casinos, but to private games as well. It's important to ensure that those who are capable of handling high-stakes games in a realistic and fair manner are the ones involved.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this, and by the way, I'm not familiar with ""Ufabet""? It's great website for gambling.

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This gives the illegal scene more to do, but takes away from the legal scene and the average player's ability to take part in gambling 

 

It should be done in a way which can benefit both sides.

 

Legal casinos have a tonne of regulations that they must follow if they want to operate, as well as extremely high taxes (50% back in SAMP). This gives illegal factions the opportunity to come in and undercut casinos, as they will not need to give half of their profits to tax.

 

The reason illegal gambling wasn't a thing in SAMP was because gambling was not covered by the scamming rule, meaning if you were gambling illegally, you could pay someone $1M for them just to run away. The way to fix this is to add some rules that protect certain games which would stop players from being able to be scammed so easily.

 

With protections for players in place, illegal casinos will be able to offer gambling at lower rates that legal casinos, with protections for the players.

An issue this raises though is that players would only ever decide to go to illegal casinos if they were full of advantages over legal casinos, to mitigate this, I think a limit to the max amount of money allowed to be gambled before it's no longer protected by rules would need to be in place, or some other nerf.

 

The truth is this sort of thing is pretty complicated to work out if we are to try and support both the illegal and legal gambling scene, and honestly both should be supported as it isn't realistic to have neither of the two options. 

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It's important to note that 90%+ of gambling was done in an Idlewood motel interior with zero role play. This isn't an exaggeration. It seems like this inevitably happens with any gambling script.

 

On 3/12/2023 at 6:07 PM, ROZE said:

Legal casinos have a tonne of regulations that they must follow if they want to operate, as well as extremely high taxes (50% back in SAMP). This gives illegal factions the opportunity to come in and undercut casinos, as they will not need to give half of their profits to tax.

 

I don't have the Google Sheet where this data was stored but the charities were into the tens of millions per Visage opening when I first gave it to either you or knppel, I can't remember who it was. This was at a time where the going rate for money sellers was ~$20.00 USD to $1,000,000 GTA$. If for whatever reason we sanctioned your /charity for money selling you could unironically quit your day job. You will likely run into this same issue and I would recommend setting an 70-80% tax rate and lowering it based on those numbers if it isn't enough to sustain the business. Gambling is big money.

 

On 3/12/2023 at 6:07 PM, ROZE said:

The reason illegal gambling wasn't a thing in SAMP was because gambling was not covered by the scamming rule, meaning if you were gambling illegally, you could pay someone $1M for them just to run away. The way to fix this is to add some rules that protect certain games which would stop players from being able to be scammed so easily.

 

I think it's important to note that the 90% mentioned above wasn't staff sanctioned and therefore wasn't legal. Unless I'm misremembering, the poker script in of itself provided protection to players from scams, and robberies would still be capped to $500. Considering that:

a. Access to illegal gambling (Idlewood Motel or some of the other more popular private games) was extremely easy and;

b. Protected by the script, therefore players were not actually risking anything by choosing to gamble illegally;

c. The players who attended these games weren't role playing and therefore catering towards them as an illegal faction probably wasn't fun, nor would it lend you the good graces of FM.

 

There wasn't really ever an incentive for illegal factions to get into the business. You'd be competing with non-role players for a market consisting of people who literally don't give a shit about the improved role play. Try going on a GMOD dark rp server and getting people to role play a raid. It'll be the same reaction. 

 

On 3/12/2023 at 6:07 PM, ROZE said:

I think a limit to the max amount of money allowed to be gambled before it's no longer protected by rules would need to be in place, or some other nerf.

 

$50,001 Deagles comes to mind. Limiting volume of opened legal casinos could push players towards illegal streams. Remember that illegal gambling was huge on LS:RP, it just wasn't role played. 

 

I'm not trying to draw any specific conclusions or give you any direct answers, but I think it's important to at least have a bit of the analysis from that eras staff on why things were the way they were.

 

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Roze and Ten ran their casinos perfectly. 

 

They had a TON of rules, restrictions and even regulations when it came to actually running it and reaping from the profits, I remember seeing a charity screenshot of 11-12mil, from just one opening.

 

Although, a fresh reminder, the server's economy will be starting from the ground up, so not everyone is gonna magically have millions and even billions to go ahead and go wild.

 

 

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In concept this idea is alright, and it promotes a decent idea. But, in-game its too hard for all to comprehend and it will cause a lot of issues. It appeals more to certain groups of role-players who will control gambling, which isn't a bad thing, but after all it is a game. Having the ability to create in-character laws around gambling is an avenue to go down, or it can be OOCly controlled. Either way, there just needs to be a specific distinction on what is allowed and what isn't.

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On 2/21/2022 at 6:57 AM, i dont wanna od in LA said:

It's more of an IC issue honestly. Depending what scripts are available in this field of roleplay (I assume there's none at launch), it will most likely be addressed in the form of an IC law. I don't believe that all of gambling should be illegal though, no. Having illegal poker games makes much more sense when there's legally operating casinons as well. It is due to the fact that those backroom games usually take a much lower commission fee or whatever. As long as gambling isn't used (or literally abused) by asset-grinders I think it's cool. 

I somewhat agree, but I don't believe that this community should disallow gambling. Instead, owning and maintaining a casino should be made much more difficult. Who knows, you could be a potential government representative that opposes this activity. However, at the end of the day, for this topic at least, keeping things in-character doesn't really hurt.

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